Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
What a waste of a post. Saying the same stuff..."People liking something makes it good" (and I knew there'd be people like you out there, that's why I made a point of mentioning how that's wrong thinking in my very first post). You don't get it.
I'm not saying it makes it good because they like it, you cretin.
I'm saying it means THEY think it's good, and they're not wrong, or right. It's opinion.
Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
I disagree. They're wrong. Accept it.
You can't technically disagree since I'm factually right. You can say it, but it means nothing.
Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
I can't prove it.Same way I can't prove killing is wrong...but it is...and I think that can be proven by something greater than you or I.
Personal then, not factual.
-AC
Originally posted by Ya Krunk'd Floo
Wow, you really are embarrassing.
Wait a sec...who cares. It's fun as hell!
😆
Speaking of embarassing...
Originally posted by Ya Krunk'd Floo
Wow, you really are embarrassing.
Originally posted by Ya Krunk'd Floo
Anyone who says The Departed is his best film is an idiot. Fact.
Good one Ya Krunk'd!
And I'm not laughing at you for syaing what you just did. I think it's cool. But in the context of your "embarrasing" comment it's pretty darn funny.
Led Zeppelin = Brazil
Nickleback = Madagascar
Led Zeppelin = Stella Artois
Nickleback = Budweiser
Led Zeppelin = Robert DeNiro
Nickleback = Keannu Reeves
Led Zeppelin = Apocalypse Now
Nickleback = Pearl Harbour
If there's any of you can't see the humorous yet poignant truths that indeed exist within these comparissons, and understand how it parallels my very valid point about objectively good and crappy music, then...I'd say you take yourself and your so-called intellect way too seriously, and that you're unable to seperate relevancy from seeming absurdity.
Superior minds to be sure...
Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
you take yourself and your so-called intellect way too seriously,
And as said before, by many people before me, you will always have people who like Nickelback more than they like Led Zeppelin. That's why music is subjective. You can choose to like certain bands/artists or not to like them.
Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
Yup. Another uninformed poster.Music is subjective. Good music isn't.
Keep trying though.
Yes, it is, and I have factually proven so.
You like Lily Allen, do you consider her good music? I don't. Name some bands you consider to be genuinely good. And don't name drop Zeppelin etc.
The burden of proof is now on you, and since you know you cannot prove your point, only continually use pathetic analogies that indicate you don't know the meaning of the words "Fact" or "Truth", I suggest you stop before you embarass yourself further.
We all get your point, idiot, you're just wrong. I totally understand what you're saying and even went so far as to agree that it's shit nobody can prove good music, but you can't, and that's how art is.
-AC
Good music is objective.
Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
Music is subjective. Good music isn't.
Because it's all a matter of taste.
Free tip of the day : the more you know about music, the more you start to realize that, at the end of the day, it all comes down to personal opinion and preferences.
Conclusion : your way of thinking is arrogant, immature and unrealistic.
Originally posted by Kid Kurdy
How come that every "best of" list - be it pop, rock, classical, jazz, country, salsa - mentions different names ? On different places ?
If you read my first post (which I'm guessing you haven't) I said it's more difficult to determine what "non-crap" is better...so obviously people will differ in opinion as to where good music rates amongst itself.
BUT, there are also a large group of artists who DON'T show up on those lists...go figure!
Here's a thought, maybe it's because the people who often make these lists tend to have a good idea of what good is and what crap is. So, after a while, it more or less becomes as factual as what footballing nations are World Cup contenders. It's a drastic analogy but it holds some truth.
I myself can't prove that music's objective, by I think it's proveable by something greater than myself.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
You like Lily Allen, do you consider her good music? I don't.
Dude, if you actually think Lilly Allen belongs in the "crap" category as opposed to the "good" category, and can't seperate your own personal taste from just qualifying her as an artist, then a). I'm afraid most critics in contemporary pop would laugh at you, and b). your musical intelligence isn't quite where I thought it might be.
You still truly don't get it.
You're making the mistake of using your own personal taste as a measure of what's good, and because you don't like her, you're saying her music's not good. Wow! Good for you! Have fun doing that for the rest of your life!
I hate The Police, but I think they're a good band and that they make good music...can't stand 'em though. Their music just seems to be too scholarly or pretentious. But I wouldn't say they're crap just because I don't like any of their songs.
Grab a clue dude!
Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
I myself can't prove that music's objective, by I think it's proveable by something greater than myself.
So this whole argument you have, which is factually incorrect, is based on you saying "I can't do it, nobody can, but that doesn't mean it can't be done."?
The reason it can't be done has nothing to do with individual ability to prove it or not. The reason it can't be proven is because it is impossible.
Someone can ALWAYS disagree that something is good or not. There is such a thing as credible and non-credible opinions, sure. Opinions that are more respected and trusted, but they are still just opinions.
You cannot uphold your personal belief because it's wrong, but you are ignoring the fact that it's impossible and opting to say "It just hasn't been found yet.", which is absolutely pathetic. If you can't prove it, don't speak it.
Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
So, after a while, it more or less becomes as factual as what footballing nations are World Cup contenders.
Yes, because they have factually proven to be winners and successful teams. The Beatles are factually successful as a band, but that doesn't make them factually good.
Achievements can be compared and proven, preference cannot. Preference is subjective, and that is all good and bad music is, preference.
There is no default good or bad, it all depends on what YOU like and don't like. I have my own ideas of what good and bad are, so does everyone else. I'm not saying it's good if people like it, because there's no room for such ultimate statements. I'm saying if they like it, they think it's good, and they aren't wrong or right.
Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
Who cares if you don't think Lilly Allen is good. She's awsome...and I happen to like her.Dude, if you think actually Lilly Allen belongs in the "crap" category as opposed to the "good" category, and can't seperate your own personal taste from just qualifying her as an artist, then a). I'm afraid most critics in contemporary pop would laugh at you, and b). your musical intelligence isn't quite where I thought it might be.
No, you're wrong. She's shit because I know she is. You obviously just don't know what good music and crap music is.
She's shit, you're wrong, I'm right, you just don't see it and are afraid to admit it.
(Sound familiar? Sound stupid? Yes, that would be me using your rationale against you).
I think she's crap, you think she's good. You thinking she's good doesn't make her good to me, it makes her good to you. Me liking Gojira doesn't make them good to you, it makes them good to me.
It's entirely about preference. I don't like Lily Allen's music, personally, but you do.
Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
You still truly don't get it.
Oh I do, you're just getting desperate.
Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
You're making the mistake of using your own personal taste as a measure of what's good, and because you don't like her, you're saying her music's not good. Wow! Good for you! Have fun doing that for the rest of your life!
That's exactly how it factually is. If I don't think music is good, then TO ME ONLY, it isn't good. If you think she's good, she's good to you. I'm not saying "You think she's good, I don't, but she's good cos you like her.", I'm saying I don't think she's good, but if you do, go for it.
The only thing we have is personal taste, you moron.
Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
I hate The Police, but I think they're a good band and that they make good music...can't stand 'em though. They music just seems to scholarly or pretentious. But I wouldn't say they're crap just because I don't like any of their songs.
Is this some kind of a joke?
You hate them, can't stand them, but say they make good music and good songs?
Are you heavily damaged?
Genuine question. Are you mentally ill?
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Name some bands you consider to be genuinely good. And don't name drop Zeppelin etc.
Note how almost half of my "favourite" albums just HAPPEN to be half of what I think are the "greatest" albums...which in turn HAPPEN to be a handful of what albums usually appear on the tops of the "greatest albums" lists we see.
Hmmm...could that say anything about how adept I am in recognizing what great music is??? Naaaa...couldn't be.
Ok.
Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
I'd say the top 10 greatest albums of all time (in terms of sheer greatness/importance) are ...1. Dark Side of the Moon -Floyd
2. Pet Sounds - Beach Boys
3. Rumours - Mac
4. Revolver - Beatles
5. Are You Experienced? - Jimmy
6. Led Zeppelin - Zep
7. Nevermind - Nirvana
8. The Stone Roses - Stone Roses
9. Mezzanine - Massive Attack
10. Rhythm and Stealth - LeftfieldMy personal 10 favourite are...
1. Pet Sounds
2. Dark Side of the Moon
3. Rhythm and Stealth
4. Violator - Depeche Mode
5. Strange Days - Doors
6. Heaven or Las Vegas - Cocteau Twins
7. Definitely Maybe - Oasis
8. Mezzanine
9. Maxinque - Tricky
10. Psalms 69 -MinistryDon't really listen to any of these anymore (and I wouldn't necessarily recommend them all because of some of the content)...but they're all great albums.
What a chicken shit.
"Look, these are albums I'm gonna say are the best, so you all like me. Then I'll list my personal favourites after. Just so you know I'm ignoring my taste and conforming to popular opinion first, because I think it's a fact.".
-AC