Sandman Vs Venom

Silver Sable it took her, the wild pack, and Sandman combined to take Venom down and they all had a hard time doing it. In Venom and Sandman's two fights Venom always showed to be more than a match for Sandman.

Venom for the win

In a pure physical beat down Sandman wasn't doing pretty well either. He was basicly owned even before Venom nearly killed him. How strong is Sandy? He was struggling with Venom.

EDIT, Sandy survives being blown appart by a huge bomb or a blower, and then Venom bites a piece off him and he begins to die. sounds like PIS to me :/

Sandman has thing level strength.

Yea and if he can have his mass scattered and blown appart and slowly reform but have a little taken away and destabilize. Its rather silly.

Plus if he is on a beach than he could through his amplification of mass powers to coat the outside of his body in a thick layer of sand so if venom does take a bite out of him it isn't of his sand. Its off the beaches so eventually he puts venom down.

It wouldn't suprise me that Sandman was having problems affecting Venom with punches. Venom is a character whose durability is so much more than his strength it's ridiculous. He took an uppercut from Merged Hulk and got right back up like it was nothing. Same as shots from Juggernaut.

In most occasions Venom would beat Sandman using the enviornment to his advantage.

This could go either way. They are both very durable, as said before Sandy can take a big bomb blown at him but also Venom has been shown to survive such thing too, in Maximum Carnage, for instance.

I'm also going to just point out that being blown apart and survive that and being bitten by something poisonous is two different things and that is probably why Venom was able to take him out. It's the same as Venom has survived being punched by Hulk and Juggernaut but then Wolverine's claws has hurt him a bit before.

But as I said this could go either way.

In this occasion the place is a beach so venom cant really use that to any advantage. I still say sandman takes this the majority.

Originally posted by outarddwarf
In this occasion the place is a beach so venom cant really use that to any advantage. I still say sandman takes this the majority.

Well, beaches do have water.

I dunno. I'd have to think of a way for Venom to really utilize that, but half of it would involve him cloaking himself and trappind Sandman somehow.

Originally posted by blind faith

I'm also going to just point out that being blown apart and survive that and being bitten by something poisonous is two different things and that is probably why Venom was able to take him out. It's the same as Venom has survived being punched by Hulk and Juggernaut but then Wolverine's claws has hurt him a bit before.

But as I said this could go either way.

the only problem is that Venom's bite isn't poisonous.

Originally posted by Jyppe
the only problem is that Venom's bite isn't poisonous.

How can you be so sure?
Remember that green stuff in his mouth? And his bite did effected Sandman. Besides his name is VENOM... 😕

Originally posted by Sam Z
How can you be so sure?
Remember that green stuff in his mouth? And his bite did effected Sandman. Besides his name is VENOM... 😕

Whrn has his bite poisoned anyone? His bios never say anything about poisons either. And it's clearly stated in the issue that why Sandy is dying, and it ain't any poison.

Got proof of the poison? Anything even hinting at it?

I've seen him purge poison from his body but thats the extent of his poison use.

Originally posted by outarddwarf
Sandman has thing level strength.

Yea and if he can have his mass scattered and blown appart and slowly reform but have a little taken away and destabilize. Its rather silly.

Plus if he is on a beach than he could through his amplification of mass powers to coat the outside of his body in a thick layer of sand so if venom does take a bite out of him it isn't of his sand. Its off the beaches so eventually he puts venom down.

I don't think its that out there to rationalize. If he gets blown apart basically all thats happened it that he's been dispersed with no real damage per say to himself. He can still pull himself together.

Getting bit how he did removed core pieces from him which due to them being in Venom he couldn't simply "get back".

Well like I said since he has seen the tactic before and can increase his mass with sand than he could coat the outside in "Beach" sand not "sandman" sand so that if it did get bitten off then it wouldn't destabalize him.

Also he has been seen in the past as able to open his mass before spiderman could get a punch off so if he can "Dodge" (if thats what you would call that cartoony opening a hole so you don't get hit thing) spiderman reflexes than he should be able to dodge venom punches bites ect.

He can harden himself to a super high durability, he doesn't have to be sandy so he could be bitten by venom. Venom wouldnt bite through, say the Thing, and sandmans durability is comperable to his. Thus once again thwarting the bite destabilization theory.

Venom can take hits from people with high level strength. He has very high endurance but eventually flint wears him down.
I give a fight on the beach to him like 9/10

Originally posted by Jyppe
Whrn has his bite poisoned anyone? His bios never say anything about poisons either. And it's clearly stated in the issue that why Sandy is dying, and it ain't any poison.

Got proof of the poison? Anything even hinting at it?

Venom never bit anyone accept sandman. And when he did Sandman died. Sounds like a proof to me. Because otherwise Sandy would've simply reformed. And Venom's bios never say that he can breathe under water and they also say he's weaker than current Spider-man. So it doesn't really prove anything. As for "hinting" - green drool.

Originally posted by Jyppe
the only problem is that Venom's bite isn't poisonous.

Here, let's take a quick look at Sandman's bio:

The now-villanous Sandman re-formed the Sinister Six to seek revenge on Doctor Octopus, but Venom turned on his teammates and took a large bite out of Sandman. Weakened and poisoned, the Sandman lost control over his form - and mind...

"poisoned"

That is the keyword here. POISONED, meaning that Venom's bite indeed poisoned Sandman and almost killed him, completely disproves the assumption that Venom doesn't have poisonous bite.

Originally posted by Sam Z
Venom never bit anyone accept sandman. And when he did Sandman died. Sounds like a proof to me. Because otherwise Sandy would've simply reformed. And Venom's bios never say that he can breathe under water and they also say he's weaker than current Spider-man. So it doesn't really prove anything. As for "hinting" - green drool.

But they explain it in the issue, they never mention anything about poison. It's just stupid writing. Besides, I actually think Venom has bitten Spider-man before. Green saliva indicates poison 😕 Riiight.

Eddie Venom was pretty weak before the merge with the symbiote clone, he was nearly dead because of the cancer. So it's plausible to say that he wasn't very strong at the time. He did get his ass owned by Spider-man in the clone arc. Yes, in a pure slug fest.

Originally posted by blind faith
Sure it is, or have you not red The Official Handbook Of Marvel Universe: Spider-Man 2004?

Here, let's take a quick look at Sandman's bio:

[B]"poisoned"

That is the keyword here. POISONED, meaning that Venom's bite indeed poisoned Sandman and almost killed him, completely disproves the assumption that Venom doesn't have poisonous bite. [/B]

Got scans? The issue says differently. We go by comic books here if the handbooks contract comics. And you need to remember, handbooks are written by complitely different people than writers.

Is there anything in the issue that would indicate any kind of poisoning?

Originally posted by Jyppe
But they explain it in the issue, they never mention anything about poison. It's just stupid writing. Besides, I actually think Venom has bitten Spider-man before. Green saliva indicates poison 😕 Riiight.

Eddie Venom was pretty weak before the merge with the symbiote clone, he was nearly dead because of the cancer. So it's plausible to say that he wasn't very strong at the time. He did get his ass owned by Spider-man in the clone arc. Yes, in a pure slug fest.

I don't remember them explaining anything... 😕 Sandman just fell apart. I don't see any other explanation. And I don't think he has bitten Peter, only licked him. 😘

In that clone arc Eddie almost killed Ben Grimm.
And when did Venom got owned by Spider-man?

Originally posted by Jyppe
Got scans?

Originally posted by Jyppe
The issue says differently.

Originally posted by Jyppe
We go by comic books here if the handbooks contract comics.

Originally posted by Jyppe
And you need to remember, handbooks are written by complitely different people than writers.

Originally posted by Jyppe
Is there anything in the issue that would indicate any kind of poisoning?

Originally posted by blind faith
Nope sorry, If I had, things would be easier. Really? What does it say then? I'm not sure what the comic stated since I don't have it here but why would a handbook say something that did not happen? I think most people there knows well what happened and did not happen. Not that it changes the fact that Sandman got owned by that bite so... Yes, by people who knows about the comics well and even states all the issues the character has been in and explains the characters story correct when compared with other sources too.🙂

Correct me if I'm wrong but I think Sandman stated himself a while after being bitten that after he got bit he started to feel bad and throwed up and such. Sounds like he got poisoned. Or is it just me? 😕

whoops I was gonna edit a little in my post and look what happened... 😮