Sandman Vs Venom

I don't remember them explaining anything... Sandman just fell apart. I don't see any other explanation. And I don't think he has bitten Peter, only licked him.

Yes, Sandy does explain why he's startting to die. Twice. Just after Veno m bites him, he says something along the lines: "What did you do to me? I can't lose my sandmass. It all falls appart if.." And in the beginning of the next issue Sandy tries to grab a bottle of alcohol from a bum, but his hand goes through it and he says "I'm falling appart! Venom.. Bit a bite out of me.. Took away a part of my mass.. I can't hold myself together without all of my sand.

And, besides Venom's drool is white in the issue 🙂

In that clone arc Eddie almost killed Ben Grimm.
And when did Venom got owned by Spider-man?

Yeah, but not by doing anything very impressive. Grimm didn't really fight back either.
Scans are in the Spider-man respect thread. Spider-man whooped Venom pretty easily.

Really? What does it say then?

Sandy states 2 that he's falling appart because he lost a piece of his mass. My book is translated in finnish so it might not be 100% literal translation, but it sure as hell doesn't mention anything about poison.

I'm not sure what the comic stated since I don't have it here but why would a handbook say something that did not happen? I think most people there knows well what happened and did not happen. Not that it changes the fact that Sandman got owned by that bite so..

Because the handbook writers are often sloppy and don't look into the comics that much. Sandman has taken a lot worse things than a mere chunk of him being bitten off. It was sh*tty writing. Venom did handle Sandy pretty well, but under KMC rules he ain't winning as he has nothing to defeat Sandy with.

Yes, by people who knows about the comics well and even states all the issues the character has been in and explains the characters story correct when compared with other sources too

Maybe the handbook writer wrote what he thought was happening..?

Correct me if I'm wrong but I think Sandman stated himself a while after being bitten that after he got bit he started to feel bad and throwed up and such. Sounds like he got poisoned. Or is it just me?

Nope, he just kinda falls appart as soon as Venom bites him and fleds. Then in the next issue he's already falling appart and going worse by the second.

Btw, it is the issue where Spider-man defeats Venom with a lighter. So the book is kinda filled with bad writing.

Sam. Spider-man vs Venom.

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Originally posted by Jyppe
Yes, Sandy does explain why he's startting to die. Twice. Just after Veno m bites him, he says something along the lines: "What did you do to me? I can't lose my sandmass. It all falls appart if.." And in the beginning of the next issue Sandy tries to grab a bottle of alcohol from a bum, but his hand goes through it and he says "I'm falling appart! Venom.. Bit a bite out of me.. Took away a part of my mass.. I can't hold myself together without all of my sand.

And, besides Venom's drool is white in the issue 🙂

Originally posted by Jyppe

Yeah, but not by doing anything very impressive. Grimm didn't really fight back either.

Originally posted by Jyppe
Sam. Spider-man vs Venom.

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That fight would've looked much more impressive if not for the next page. Venom wasn't even trying to fight back, he got info he wanted, and that was it.

In the next issue he KOed Spider with 1 punch, so I really don't think he was that weak.

Venom loses to Marvel Sandman.

But if this is the Vertigo (DC) Sandman Venom flattens him 😏

Originally posted by Jyppe
Sandy states 2 that he's falling appart because he lost a piece of his mass. My book is translated in finnish so it might not be 100% literal translation, but it sure as hell doesn't mention anything about poison.

Originally posted by Jyppe
Because the handbook writers are often sloppy and don't look into the comics that much. Sandman has taken a lot worse things than a mere chunk of him being bitten off. It was sh*tty writing. Venom did handle Sandy pretty well, but under KMC rules he ain't winning as he has nothing to defeat Sandy with.

Originally posted by Jyppe
Maybe the handbook writer wrote what he thought was happening..?

Originally posted by Jyppe
Btw, it is the issue where Spider-man defeats Venom with a lighter. So the book is kinda filled with bad writing.

Because it's far too awkward that Venom's bite poisoned him. Seeing as Sandman has lost part of his mass before and just regained it, Venom wouldn't be able to take him out by just biting him, so it MUST have been poisonous or else Venom wouldn't have taken him down (and the bite is poisonous btw, proven by an official source, meaning it counts for proof here.) And also I have checked with other sources too that mention about that fight and it says that Sandman got poisoned too.

It's even more akward that Venom's poison would affect him. The guy doesn't have a circulatory system. He's composed entirely of sand. It's just bad writing. Baker actually states if he loses any of his mass he starts to die. That's just plain dumb.

What are these other "official" sources?

Funny, because I checked not only Sandman's bio or Venom's but the other characters bios as well and I couldn't find anything wrong in any of them, they were accurate with the all the events, abilites and comic book appearances.

Namor being able to fly only at 50 Mp/h? Wolverine not being able to heal missing organs and such? There are lot's of BS things in the handbooks. Ask anyone on the KMC forums, that we'll go by comic books as handbooks rarely are accurate.

Under KMC rules Venom can and will win, because the fact that Venom's bite is poisonous and has taken down Sandman has been proven and supported.

Pfft, the comic says otherwise. Comic comes first, then all the other sources.

Incorrect and unproven, that is just an assumption.(sorry)

Or maybe the handbook writer was trying to make the whole incident seem more plausible, as it's definately bad writing from the looks of it.

You forgot to mention that Spider-man however didn't beat him with a lighter, rather a bundle of paper he set aflame like a torch. Because I'm sure you mean "Peter Parker: Spider-Man (Vol. 2) - #16" right? Peter taking him out that way is rather more a tool for the writer, because they need to find a way for Spidey to survive an encounter with Venom. So what do they do? That's right, they give him something fire-based seeing as it is one of Venom's main weaknesses. Like almost, always.

Uh, Venom was already fleeing when Spider-man had only the lighter. Besides, that's not what I'm trying to say. The point is that the comic book writer did a sloppy job on portraying the 2 villains. Since when has Venom been taken out with a mere lighter? He made a building collapse while being surrounded by fire. His tolerance to fire isn't that low, ask Sam. Same thing with Sandman.

You haven't actually read the comic? Maybe you should.

It doesn't matter if venom wants to bite sandman or not! He has thing level strength and possibly higher durability. If venom tries to bite him he is too durable for him to succed. In the comic he was in sand form and Sandman has shown the ability to get more solid or less. So Venoms bite, wether poisonous or not is ineffective.

vacuum cleaner >>> Sandman...

A match >>>>>>>> Venom 🙂

Originally posted by Sam Z
In the next issue he KOed Spider with 1 punch, so I really don't think he was that weak.

thumbsup

EXACTLY.

Originally posted by Jyppe
A match >>>>>>>> Venom 🙂

a majority of the time?

❌

in a book entitled "cliche'"? ✅

now as for this venom versus sandman business...

we've seen the two encounter eachother more than once ALL to venom's advantage..

silver sable 18: venom goes after sandman, sandman requires the help of silver sable, the wild pack and their sonic weapons AND is STILL losing...

peter parker 16: not only does venom kill sandman.. lol.... but sandman was literally begging spiderman for a team up before venom showed. 😬

if that doesn't validate it for anyone, I don't know what will.

What was happening in the issue with Silver Sable? How was Sandy losing?

The second fight was pretty bad writing, Sandy dying because of losing some of his mass? Yeaaah, right. The guy has been spread around NY more than once. And then Venom owns him by biting a chunk out of him?

Though Venom can handle Sandy pretty well, Sandy's durability isn't that great when he's in the sand form (unless he hardens it) and Sandy's around Thing in physical force so I think Venom could at least dance with him for a while, but how could Venom win the end?

by biting him?

I don't see where it says anything about Venom poisoning him. Although I have heard that his saliva is poisonous.

on second thought, that IS kinda a retardo reason for sandman to get the crunch like that.

I've always wondered why Spider-man is hugging Venom in the second screen.

😂

trying to kill venom with kindness maybe?

I think he was trying to stop or tackle him. But in the next few screens, Spidey whips out a lighter.

Originally posted by Ptr_Grifin
I think he was trying to stop or tackle him. But in the next few screens, Spidey whips out a lighter.

Actually it's Urich who throws it at him, but close enough 😉

Btw, thanks for the scan.