Wolverine vs Deadpool

Originally posted by The Real Wolvie
So what's the deal with Daken anyway? He simply is where his opponent isn't looking? Unless he has some sort of mind-scrambling power similar to Cyber, I don't see how this is even possible. Magically ending up behind your opponent isn't something you can learn. There's no Kung Fu move that enables you just to wind up in a place where your opponent isn't looking for that split second. Besides, a power like this wouldn't be very effective against Logan since he can locate PEOPLE BY SCENT! Thus, I think that Daken probably has some sort of mind-altering ability or something of that nature...

Any thoughts?

The only skill I can even think of is like what Storm Shadow pulled in a GIJOE book, moving around in a mans blind spot effectively becoming invisable to him their entire fight.

Perhaps Wolverine's inability to track him by scent has to do with tricks he also picked up from the master. Sabretooth played a game of cat and mouse with Logan in a city once where Logan couldn't smell, or see Sabretooth, yet Sabes got close enough to blow out his match, when Logan turned around there was no one there that he could see. Or perhaps they have the same scent being kin?

I think it's most likely however a mind trick he picked up being a student of Cybers, that seems to make the most sense at the moment to me at least.

Originally posted by jinzin
The only skill I can even think of is like what Storm Shadow pulled in a GIJOE book, moving around in a mans blind spot effectively becoming invisable to him their entire fight.

Perhaps Wolverine's inability to track him by scent has to do with tricks he also picked up from the master. Sabretooth played a game of cat and mouse with Logan in a city once where Logan couldn't smell, or see Sabretooth, yet Sabes got close enough to blow out his match, when Logan turned around there was no one there that he could see. Or perhaps they have the same scent being kin?

I think it's most likely however a mind trick he picked up being a student of Cybers, that seems to make the most sense at the moment to me at least.

When did this cat and mouse game occur between Creed and Logan? He said that he learned the trick from "the master" which I assume is Romulus. The only thing is, that it better be something that involves some sort of power whether learned or inherited. I thought of the blind spot thing too but the fact is that it's a ridiculous notion for a couple of reasons. 1) In order for a human to fit inside of a persons blind spot, they would have to be 400 yards away. 2) If such a person was in fact 400 yards away, he would have to constantly move in accordance with a persons head and somehow know exactly where that tiny little blind spot was the entire time. 3) It's impossible for Daken to move from say where he was standing when DP was about to shoot him to DP's blind spot (assuming it has been increased by a factor of 400) or to a place that DP can't see unless he has a super power. Sorry, but it's the only way it makes sense.

In other words, it's scientifically impossible without invoking some sort of super power. Now I know that Marvel doesn't run on conventional science but that doesn't mean that Daniel Way gets to increase the size of the human blind-spot by a factor of 400. Also, how could Daken predict exactly which way his opponents head would turn when they are in motion and attacking? You can't predict that and you can't judge where the blind spot is. I mean, I think I've given more than enough evidence to show that the notion of a person fitting into a persons blind spot the entire time without some sort of super power is beyond ridiculous.

Originally posted by Scoobless

You seem to have a very selective memory whenever a Wolverine thread springs up.

how does that prove i have a selective memory?

He ran away onces he found out Logan healing factor was now working..........which is what I said............

any one notices all the DP fans have yet to respond to the new news that DP was the fool the entire time lol

Originally posted by Battlehammer
any one notices all the DP fans have yet to respond to the new news that DP was the fool the entire time lol

Yeah, that's because the idea that Logan had been tricked by DP was their one sliver of hope that DP was actually superior to Logan in some way shape or form. They were all like "see, see - DP kicked Logan's butt because he's a better strategist and allowed himself to get beat up in H2H because that's his style to hire random women off the street and get his but kicked! He owned Wolverine because he knew he would wake up first! Pawned!" Well, I guess now Logan has officially proven to be superior in every regard. Including strategy. He's probably a better Chess player too. lol.

Seriously though, the way DP fans acted when they tried to prove DP's superiority to Logan when they used Origins 24 reminded me of the episode of Family Guy where Peter Griffin's gold fish died and he tried to feed it anyway. "Your not dead, your just saving it for later...you'll eat it when you're hungry again" "DP didn't just lose big time to Wolverine, he was just pretending..really..he tricked Wolverine...he tricked him dammit!! Cries"

Anyone else find it hilarious that when Daken was beating the crap out of DP, DP referred to a bunch of grenades lying on the floor as "skills"?

Originally posted by jinzin
Logan took 6 punches from WWH before he got knocked out, a shotgun blast to the head isn't going to work.

😬 Just because hes been hit 4 times in the head by WWh lets just negate all the other examples where hes been Koed by less. Man you kill me sometimes.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
😬 Just because hes been hit 4 times in the head by WWh lets just negate all the other examples where hes been Koed by less. Man you kill me sometimes.

Logans healing factor works differently with different writers lol. There are countless examples of him taking shots from people in Hulk's league and shaking them off like they are nothing.

Your example is rather pointless because DP was just owned by Wolverine in the Origins series. Let's have more cannon and less conjecture.

Originally posted by The Real Wolvie
Logans healing factor works differently with different writers lol. There are countless examples of him taking shots from people in Hulk's league and shaking them off like they are nothing.

Your example is rather pointless because DP was just owned by Wolverine in the Origins series. Let's have more cannon and less conjecture.

Excuse me who are you talking to? Im arguing that Wolverine can get Koed by less force than class 100 punches.

Originally posted by The Real Wolvie
When did this cat and mouse game occur between Creed and Logan? He said that he learned the trick from "the master" which I assume is Romulus. The only thing is, that it better be something that involves some sort of power whether learned or inherited. I thought of the blind spot thing too but the fact is that it's a ridiculous notion for a couple of reasons. 1) In order for a human to fit inside of a persons blind spot, they would have to be 400 yards away. 2) If such a person was in fact 400 yards away, he would have to constantly move in accordance with a persons head and somehow know exactly where that tiny little blind spot was the entire time. 3) It's impossible for Daken to move from say where he was standing when DP was about to shoot him to DP's blind spot (assuming it has been increased by a factor of 400) or to a place that DP can't see unless he has a super power. Sorry, but it's the only way it makes sense.

In other words, it's scientifically impossible without invoking some sort of super power. Now I know that Marvel doesn't run on conventional science but that doesn't mean that Daniel Way gets to increase the size of the human blind-spot by a factor of 400. Also, how could Daken predict exactly which way his opponents head would turn when they are in motion and attacking? You can't predict that and you can't judge where the blind spot is. I mean, I think I've given more than enough evidence to show that the notion of a person fitting into a persons blind spot the entire time without some sort of super power is beyond ridiculous.

X-men classics, reprinted in Sabretooth classics.

Don't remember numbers.

as for the rest.. ehh.. it's comics.. 😬

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
😬 Just because hes been hit 4 times in the head by WWh lets just negate all the other examples where hes been Koed by less. Man you kill me sometimes.

Like when? The minority of low/bad showings he has? Or all the times coupled with circumstantial evidence.

Originally posted by jinzin
Like when? The minority of low/bad showings he has? Or all the times coupled with circumstantial evidence.

Well for starters that Wolverines HF was greater.......

Originally posted by Battlehammer
how does that prove i have a selective memory?

He ran away onces he found out Logan healing factor was now working..........which is what I said............

Maybe it's not selective memory .... another possibility is that you're only looking at the pictures of Wolverine and completely ignoring everything else that's going on in the comics you buy.

🙂

Wolverine for the win

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Well for starters that Wolverines HF was greater.......

Not really... Wolverine's current "depowered" HF feats still outstrip stuff he was doing up to 2004. 😬

Originally posted by Scoobless
Maybe it's not selective memory .... another possibility is that you're only looking at the pictures of Wolverine and completely ignoring everything else that's going on in the comics you buy.

🙂

or maybe im doing neither.

what your point in this thread anyway? To try and belittle me?

I find this funny comming from the guy who thinks spiderman out classes sabertooth in speed.

Originally posted by jinzin
X-men classics, reprinted in Sabretooth classics.

Don't remember numbers.

as for the rest.. ehh.. it's comics.. 😬

Well, it's the comics isn't a good excuse in this case, because in order for the blind spot to be that large, you would have to be virtually blind entirely. Anyway, comic book writers usually tend to have logical (although scientifically implausible) explanations for these sorts of things. Daniel Way's explanation isn't even logical at all. It would be as if I made up a villain for Spider-man that can walk through bullets and then when it came to explaining his powers, I said "he just simply walks through the bullets". It's like...yay we know that's possible in the Marvel U, but there NEEDS to be a logical explanation.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
what your point in this thread anyway? To try and belittle me?

I find this funny comming from the guy who thinks spiderman out classes sabertooth in speed.

Nope, I was just pointing out that you were wrong, even going so far to show scans of the issue you were referring to, yet you still refuse to accept it.

But yeah, Spider-Man is faster than Sabretooth (not that that has anything to do with this thread)

Originally posted by jinzin
Not really... Wolverine's current "depowered" HF feats still outstrip stuff he was doing up to 2004. 😬

Waitwaitwait what you're saying is that SOME of Wolverines current HF showings are better than SOME of his showings in 2004? So ok hes had an upgraded HF for more than a decade so all of a sudden because there better than some of his showings in 2004 that means his HF isnt reduced? Have I got this straight?

Originally posted by Scoobless
Nope, I was just pointing out that you were wrong, even going so far to show scans of the issue you were referring to, yet you still refuse to accept it.

But yeah, Spider-Man is faster than Sabretooth (not that that has anything to do with this thread)

Well, considering that speed and strength are logically related, then it only makes sense that Spider-man would be faster than Creed...if only by a hair. Logan on the other hand is different because high levels of skill can cause your movements and punches, kicks, etc to be elevated beyond human means in the marvel U. Seriously, Wolverine probably punches as hard as Spider-man because of his training. Ninjitsu basically allows you to do things that other people with powers can do. Just not to a Hulk degree. More like to a Spider-degree.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Waitwaitwait what you're saying is that SOME of Wolverines current HF showings are better than SOME of his showings in 2004? So ok hes had an upgraded HF for more than a decade so all of a sudden because there better than some of his showings in 2004 that means his HF isnt reduced? Have I got this straight?

Regardless of what SOME Wolverine fans think, Wolverine's healing factor is always going up and down. Personally, I think it's much more logical that Logan can be knocked out by a series of good blows to his pressure points. If I had to chose - I would want a Logan that relied on skill instead of metal and healing factor. I don't really care for how "amped up" Frank Tieri had the healing factor for instance. It just negates the need for Wolverine to use his skill.