Christianity, hypocrisy in its attacks on others

The Flaws of Christianity and Religions
Rabbi Moshe Ben-Chaim

Christianity Violates God’s Command not to Alter God’s Torah

Deuteronomy, 4:2: “Do not add on to the matter which I command you, and do not detract from it, to observe the commandments of Hashem your God, which I command you.”

God teaches us not to alter the Torah, yet Christianity does so in so many areas - again denying God’s words. Christianity suggests that God “changed His mind”. This is absurd, that a Perfect Being knowledgeable of all past and future history would create a complete and perfect Torah system at one point, which includes a law not to alter it in any way, and then contradict His own words as Christianity suggests.

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False Prophets

The Torah teaches that we are not to follow a prophet who goes against God’s word:

Deuteronomy, 18:19, 20. “And it will be the man who does not listen to My words, but who speaks in My name, I will inquire from him. However, a prophet who sinfully speaks a matter in My name which I did not command to speak and he speaks in the name of other God’s, you must kill that prophet.”

Jesus spoke against God’s laws in God’s name, attempting to change what God said. God’s Torah teaches that this crime is so great it deserves death.

I chose to present these two due to the same attacks made on my Mormon faith by mainstream Christians. I have posted these to have the mainstream Christians respond to the attack. If the attacks on my beliefs are valid, then these too should be valid.

If someone has additional attacks used by mainstream Christians against another religion, and the same attack can be used against Christianity, this thread is for that, as well as mainstream Christianity's response to the various attacks.

*I believe in the Bible and the claims of Christianity, but my purpose with this thread is to show the hypocritical nature of Christianity when attacking the validity of beliefs they disagree with. As such, I will not respond to the attacks with my rebuttal due to the fact that I want the mainstream Christian response, not my own.

oops, could a mod move this to the religion forum, thought I was there when creating it.

Well, you're all as bad as each other really, aren't you?

''Im gonna bash them cos they bashed me''

Mmmm, super!

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Well, you're all as bad as each other really, aren't you?

''Im gonna bash them cos they bashed me''

Mmmm, super!

The term "True Christian" always cracks me up. I find that the person, who uses this term to beet other Christians, assumes they are one of the True Christians. I thank it more likely, if there is such a thing as a True Christian, it would be one of the people who never say anything harmful to anyone.

I agree.

Another purpose for the thread is for me to be able to assess the arguments used to rebut. Are the mainstream Christian responses similar or even the same as the responses I use? I believe such is probable, if this is the case, my arguments are valid from a mainstream Christian stance.

Originally posted by Regret
I chose to present these two due to the same attacks made on my Mormon faith by mainstream Christians. I have posted these to have the mainstream Christians respond to the attack. If the attacks on my beliefs are valid, then these too should be valid.

If someone has additional attacks used by mainstream Christians against another religion, and the same attack can be used against Christianity, this thread is for that, as well as mainstream Christianity's response to the various attacks.

*I believe in the Bible and the claims of Christianity, but my purpose with this thread is to show the hypocritical nature of Christianity when attacking the validity of beliefs they disagree with. As such, I will not respond to the attacks with my rebuttal due to the fact that I want the mainstream Christian response, not my own.

So then what does that make the Koran?

Muslims consider it to be the final word of God and correction of the Bible.

False Prophets

The Torah teaches that we are not to follow a prophet who goes against God’s word:

Deuteronomy, 18:19, 20. “And it will be the man who does not listen to My words, but who speaks in My name, I will inquire from him. However, a prophet who sinfully speaks a matter in My name which I did not command to speak and he speaks in the name of other God’s, you must kill that prophet.”

Jesus spoke against God’s laws in God’s name, attempting to change what God said. God’s Torah teaches that this crime is so great it deserves death.

Originally posted by debbiejo
Interesting verses. But did Jesus go against the OT law. I don't think so.

Everyone likes to claim their Prophet is the best, but really now, can all God's wisdome be REALLY preached in one man's lifetime?

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
but really now, can all God's wisdome be REALLY preached in one man's lifetime?

Or by one man?

Maybe I'm dim, but I'm not really following the point of the thread.

Wisdom is given to everyone......Not one man. It may be that some stand out amongst others, then distorted.

Deuteronomy 4:1-2

Hear now, O Israel, the decrees and laws I am about to teach you. Follow them so that you may live and may go in and take possession of the land that the LORD, the God of your fathers, is giving you. Do not add to what I command you and do not subtract from it, but keep the commands of the LORD your God that I give you.

Deuteronomy 18:18-22

"...I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their brothers; I will put my words in his mouth, and he will tell them everything I command him. If anyone does not listen to my words that the prophet speaks in my name, I myself will call him to account. But a prophet who presumes to speak in my name anything I have not commanded him to say, or a prophet who speaks in the name of other gods, must be put to death."

You may say to yourselves, "How can we know when a message has not been spoken by the LORD?" If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the LORD does not take place or come true, that is a message the LORD has not spoken. That prophet has spoken presumptuously. Do not be afraid of him.

1. He's the Son of God. Not a prophet.
2. How do we know that Christ wasn't commanded by God to speak what he did?

(Answer: We don't, and, since we believe he's the Son of God, it kinda follows that it was commanded by God.)

Cool. So I'm not all that dim after all.

Originally posted by FeceMan
Deuteronomy 4:1-2

It's talking about the Law, not the teachings of God.

I agree, but isn't this adding to the Law?

Matthew 5:21-22,27-28,31-32
21 ¶ Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:
22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

27 ¶ Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:
28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

31 It hath been said, Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement:
32 But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.

Originally posted by FeceMan
Deuteronomy 18:18-22

Taken out of context--and creatively spun--one could argue that Christ violates this. However...

1. He's the Son of God. Not a prophet.
2. How do we know that Christ wasn't commanded by God to speak what he did?

(Answer: We don't, and, since we believe he's the Son of God, it kinda follows that it was commanded by God.)

I would like to put in, here, that not all Christians feel the need to convert the world, and/or attack others' beliefs and ways of thinking.

*points to self*

What is it with Christians and their religious intolerance? Are all Christians like this or have I been merely unfortunate (for more tha 30 years) in dealing with them?

I was raised to be a Christian, but found the dogma to be too restricting, too narrow, and too prejudiced. (I was raised in South Africa, where the Dutch Reformed church basically gave their blessing to the persecution of blacks.)

I ventured into philosophy, read up about New Age, and consider myself to be both spiritual and religious, just not in any conventional, conservative way. In the main, I don't have any problems with Christianity itself - it's the CHRISTIANS I have a problem with.

Self-righteous, intolerant, holier-than-thou, with a superiority complex second to none. I know that is is dangerous to generalise, and I have some great friends who are Christians.

But let me illustrate my point, and explain why I need to blow off some steam. Last week I received an email on on of those mailing lists from somebody I didn't know. Some of my friends were on the list, so I assume that is how my name got on.

Anyway, it was one of those annoying religious mails, telling you how much God should mean to you and why you are going to burn in Hell if you do not forward it to at least the entire known universe.

In return, I sent a mail to all, asking to be taken off the mailing list please, or at least to stop sending me mails like that, as I am not Christian and have no intention of converting.

Today, I checked my mail, and it was like I was back in the flippen Dark Ages, with various hysterical missives, ranging from I am going to burn in the Hell to how much they despise me.

Hallo?

What happened to religious freedom, one of the basic constitutional rights of the new South Africa? 🙁

So - is it just me, or have other people experienced similar intolerance of their religious beliefs, specifically from Christians?

Ironic, and sad, that Christianity, which is advertised as Love and Fogiveness, has now in my mind become the most intolerant of all the religions...

Come live in Iran - then we'll talk about religious tolerance. 😊

Just saw this thread now, after I started my own 😮

I also found myself being attacked by Christians, for daring to express a different opinion of theirs - and it seriously annoyed me. I am glad to see some reasonable responses here...

No, not all Christians are like this just because some may have acted improperly.