Christianity, hypocrisy in its attacks on others

Originally posted by AOR
Very few Gnostic movements predate the Christian movement, but those that do are questioned for authenticity and are considered “Mystery Religions”. Therefore, for Catholicism to predate all forms of Christianity is not incorrect or wrong so to speak. The Church has long supported her authenticity through logical, verifiable, and approved historical accounts and documents. The Catholic Church didn’t say, “Hey, everyone else is claiming legitimacy, let’s do it to!”

Originally posted by AOR
I am inclined to disagree. Where the clergy are trained men in the arts of both catholic teachings and missal practices, they do not always fully know the will of God in what the church claims is his inspired teachings. Yes the clergy knows the general truths and principles that all doctrines hold, but when it comes to the grey areas, he is as dubious as the pope himself. That is why the Catholic Church is so organized (more organized than any other Christian sect, and arguably the world). In ensuring that every clergy man receives updated Catholic Social Teaching whenever necessary, helps to minimize the possibility of false teachings. However, including all said above, a clergy man teaches anything contradictory to the church, he ceases to speak on behalf of the church and for his own agenda. That is why the Catholic Church promotes the education of Catholic members to Church Doctrine and Teachings.

Originally posted by AOR
My only argument is the biased position the Rabbi has taken. In the beginning thread he uses Jewish teachings to condemn “Christian” intstruction. In his criticism he fails to measure Christianity with Christianity, making this not a hypocritical argument, but a Jewish criticism argument.

...Bible and Christianity is hypocrisy, end of story.

Originally posted by Black Dalek
...Bible and Christianity is hypocrisy, end of story.

YEPPETY DOOO

Originally posted by Regret
I chose to present these two due to the same attacks made on my Mormon faith by mainstream Christians. I have posted these to have the mainstream Christians respond to the attack. If the attacks on my beliefs are valid, then these too should be valid.

If someone has additional attacks used by mainstream Christians against another religion, and the same attack can be used against Christianity, this thread is for that, as well as mainstream Christianity's response to the various attacks.

*I believe in the Bible and the claims of Christianity, but my purpose with this thread is to show the hypocritical nature of Christianity when attacking the validity of beliefs they disagree with. As such, I will not respond to the attacks with my rebuttal due to the fact that I want the mainstream Christian response, not my own.

Originally posted by Badabing
Hmm, I'm not sure which sect of mainstream Christianity promotes such intolerance. I was raised Catholic and we were taught tolerance, compassion and understanding. Those remarks are more of a radical sect than mainstream.

I was speaking of this mainstream Christianity, not necessarily Catholicism with this thread.

Originally posted by Regret
Catholicism, while large in claimed membership, is not mainstream Christianity. The majority of Catholics are not much more than labeled such and hold to the label despite their lack of participation in the mass. Catholicism is also not the version of Christianity that is thought of when a non-Christian considers Christianity. Read the general threads concerning Christianity in nearly any forum and you will find the Christianity most non-Christians consider to be mainstream.

I was speaking of this mainstream Christianity, not necessarily Catholicism with this thread.

Originally posted by Badabing
Thanks. 😄 A lot of Fundamentalists make bombastic comments and claims concerning other religions and lifestyles. There are certain activities and choices I don't agree with but I would never tell others they will burn in Hell.

You are a rarity. 😄

Originally posted by Badabing
Thanks. 😄 A lot of Fundamentalists make bombastic comments and claims concerning other religions and lifestyles. There are certain activities and choices I don't agree with but I would never tell others they will burn in Hell.

I do not know where you are from, but in the US Catholics are one of the groups of Christians attacked by many mainstream Christians. JFK almost was not elected, and many analysts were surprised that he was, due to his Catholic affiliation.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
You are a rarity. 😄

Originally posted by Regret
You are welcome.

I do not know where you are from, but in the US Catholics are one of the groups of Christians attacked by many mainstream Christians. JFK almost was not elected, and many analysts were surprised that he was, due to his Catholic affiliation.

Oh for the love of...

When are people going to get it through their heads that it is not CHRISTIANS as a whole who do these things, but SELECT Christian subgroups that feel the need to so much of the heinous acts that have occurred.

Originally posted by Regret
Catholicism did not exist prior to around 100 AD. It came about as Rome seized control of the Church....

Or, some would say, the Church began to seize Rome.

Catholicism, while large in claimed membership, is not mainstream Christianity. The majority of Catholics are not much more than labeled such and hold to the label despite their lack of participation in the mass. Catholicism is also not the version of Christianity that is thought of when a non-Christian considers Christianity. Read the general threads concerning Christianity in nearly any forum and you will find the Christianity most non-Christians consider to be mainstream.

I was speaking of this mainstream Christianity, not necessarily Catholicism with this thread

I think that would depend on where the answer where coming from. It is my experience that Catholicism is seen in a far higher way within Europe then it is in nations with strong English legacy - such as Australia and the US. As far as definitions of mainstream go Catholicism is both known of by those not of it (though often with misconceptions), and has a large following, even if one cuts away the "my parents were Catholic, so I guess that is what I am to" people.

And what exactly is "mainstream" Christianity? I would say that Catholicism is far more mainstream then many other branches of Christianity - which branch would you consider more mainstream beyond Protestantism? Orthodox has plenty of followers, but few enough people produce it as an answer to the question "what to you is mainstream Christianity?"

And I ask, as despite participating in more then a few such threads on this forum and others I am yet to see true consensus on the matter - far to many people like Marchello cutting away entire branches of Christianity based on what their perception of "true" Christianity is.

Though I agree about the people who just keep the label despite not really participating - but then the same is true for Protestants as well. People who keep their parents religions as a default while not being religious themselves.

Originally posted by Black Dalek
...Bible and Christianity is hypocrisy, end of story.

And other religions aren't ? Please, wannabe noob 🙄

Originally posted by Blaxican
Oh for the love of...

When are people going to get it through their heads that it is not CHRISTIANS as a whole who do these things, but SELECT Christian subgroups that feel the need to so much of the heinous acts that have occurred.

Actually, you are quite correct. I have come to realise that I do not have a problem with Catholics as such - I have a problem with Catholic teachings. Why they do not allow people to use condoms, and why they try to make people believe they can buy off their guilt by doing a couple of Hail Mary's - only greed and hypocrisy can explain.

Same with the Dutch Reformed church - they ex-communicated the only person who actually stood up and said Apartheid was wrong - and it's been more than ten years since they have been proved wrong, and still they have issued no apology - yet some of my best friends were raised in that church.

Fortunately they managed to retain the ability to think for themselves, and escaped the indoctrination.

Christianity, when you come down to it, actually teaches you to treat others with respect (Treat others as you would like to be treated yourself) yet somehow, it has been twisted to mean that Christianity is better than other religions, and if you are not Christian, you will burn in Hell.

Fortunately I will have some good company...

Originally posted by Dreampanther
Actually, you are quite correct. I have come to realise that I do not have a problem with Catholics as such - I have a problem with Catholic teachings. Why they do not allow people to use condoms, and why they try to make people believe they can buy off their guilt by doing a couple of Hail Mary's - only greed and hypocrisy can explain.

I think the problem with many Christians(including myself) is that we tend to practice on preaching the doctrines, as oppossed to practicing the "love" which the doctrine possesses.

The doctrines are still important as they represent the love embodied by God, but one definitely needs to put into practice what they preach.

Originally posted by Thundar
I think the problem with many Christians(including myself) is that we tend to practice on preaching the doctrines, as oppossed to practicing the "love" which the doctrine possesses.

The doctrines are still important as they represent the love embodied by God, but one definitely needs to put into practice what they preach.

hy·poc·ri·sy (h-pkr-s)

NOUN:
pl. hy·poc·ri·sies
[list=1][*]The practice of professing beliefs, feelings, or virtues that one does not hold or possess; falseness. [*]An act or instance of such falseness. [/list]