Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Hasn't Dare Devil admitted (more then once) that he is no match for Black Panther? 😕
As far as i know, DD and BP only fought twice.
1st time, Panther was fighting mind control and DD was holding back, but he didint say he wasnt a match for Panther.
2nd time, Daredevil downed Panther briefly and kept someone from trying to kill themselves.
Ill check again.
Originally posted by StarsNeverFall7
Impressive posts Jrod, as good as Cap is, you could always go into the whole hearing muscle contractions to predict movements, or if BP was going to do something, and etc. DD has a pretty nice advantage in the whole senses department, it hands him some redicilous advantages.
No they were rubbish points but i'll deal with them later, alot of speculation. DDs radar sense is overated when he fights top tier fighters he gets punched in the face like everybody else.
Originally posted by jrodslam
It would help moreso agility wise. No evidence to say that DD is more agile than Cap? Next to Spidey, Beast and Nightcrawler, Daredevil is the next best thing.
I could be argued that Cap is just as agile or more agile than the Beast.
Originally posted by jrodslam
Of all the people Taskmaster has borrowed abilities from, he uses Daredevils and Spidermans agility.
Ok thats a good point, even if DD is more agile it would be only slightly.
Originally posted by jrodslam
Has Cap done better than DD has? Daredevil has knocked Spiderman out on more than 1 occasion. Because Cap has knocked Spiderman down and made him see stars its logic that hed be harder for DD to defeat than Spidey? I dont see it that way.
DD has knocked Spiderman on his back with one shot?
Originally posted by jrodslam
I already said why it wouldnt help in a fight against Daredevil. Please explain how it would help.
In all fairness I dont think you did. I think you just said it wouldnt help and thats it.
Originally posted by jrodslam
Its obvious the clubs wouldnt do as much damage. Thats impossible. I never stated otherwise. I did say that they were used the same way and they are as versatile offensively for the most part. The clubs cant cut/slice things however. The shield is better defensive wise.
DD has one billy club right. I dont even think DDs billy clubs are more versatile. Im willing to do a scan war to prove it.
Originally posted by jrodslam
Again, i said the only way Cap is smashing DD's clubs, is via shield bashing it on the floor.
Again you are making a statemnt without backing it up. Cap has destroyed things tougher than DDs billyclubs and all of a sudden he needs to bash it on the floor. 🤨
Originally posted by jrodslam
DD knows Cap doesnt have to aim at him.
Does he? Its not like they've fought each other alot even if he knows that, that doesnt means he will know exactly what hes trying to do.
Originally posted by jrodslam
DD doesnt have to aim the clubs at Cap either.
Never seen DD use his clubs in that way.
Originally posted by jrodslam
But who cares. It doesnt help any.😬
Not going to explain how experience helps.
Originally posted by jrodslam
Because he knew what ninjistu was at the beginnign of his career means nothing.
Thats bull****, logically if he knew what ninjiutsu was even back then that means hes even better at it now and probably knows more about MA than Matt does.
Originally posted by jrodslam
For all we know, he could have spent most of his time training in boxing and judo. Hell, he could have trained in tactical warfare for a decade or two.
Again rubbish. Its been stated on panel that Cap trains constantly. You have somebody who has been training constantly even before Matt was born and you dont think hes going to know more about MA than Matt. 🤨 .....if your going to use the "maybe" argument then anythings possible.
Originally posted by jrodslam
Shang wasnt wearing any armor, but DD wasnt fightint at normal capability. At that time while wearing the red and grey suit, Daredevil wasnt even in his right state of mind. And like i said, the weapons he used against Shang are < the electrical throwing weapons used against DD.
Well anyway in hindsight I dont think GM is a good example. I still think Shang did slightly better, but only slightly.
Originally posted by jrodslam
How is that a stupid statement to make? Explain. So what if he knew about it before DD was born. He may have knowledge in it, but hes not a master at ninjistu. When does/did Cap have time to train in that? Before the boxing? Before the Judo? Before being frozen? Before fighting in the war and joining the All Winners Squad and Invaders? Just because you have knowledge in the art doesnt mean your a master at it.
Ive stated above that Cap trains constantly as well he doesnt just fight people.
Originally posted by jrodslam
Already explained it. In previous posts as well. Regardless if DD was born or not, it doesnt automatically mean Cap is a master at it. There are only about 4 masters of ninjistu in Marvel street level wise that i know of. Thats Wolverine, Iron Fist, Daredevil, Black Widow and Elektra. Might be a couple more im forgetting, but Cap isnt one of them.
Well I tell you what if Blak Widow is a master of ninjitus then logically Cap must be as well. It doesnt neccesarily have to state it is, common sense dictates it. Even if hes not a master of ninjitus he will know more about MA in general than Matt, common sense.
Originally posted by jrodslam
Send back in time hundreds of times? For how long? And in those hundreds of times, hes mastered the Arts? Youre right. If thats the case, he should have mastered every martial art, yet for some reason, its never mentioned.
Its never mentioned that Moondragon is one of the world powerful telepaths but if you look at her showings she is. Common sense.
Originally posted by jrodslam
Batman is said to have master 127 forms of martial arts of combat. I dont totally believe that either. I would believe hes mastered more than Cap for the simple fact thats hes been training since he was a kid. He actually had the time to do so and master more than have knowledge in many things.
Its a comicbook! C'mon man, you got people get hit by radiation instead of getting cancer they get powers.
Originally posted by jrodslam
Its clear we wont see eye to eye on this. Its cool. Opinions vary.
No no no, your not gonna get off that easy. Everyones entitled to their opinion but in this case I think you cant back up your points therefore your using the "opinions vary" escape clause.
Originally posted by Alfheim
I could be argued that Cap is just as agile or more agile than the Beast.Ok thats a good point, even if DD is more agile it would be only slightly.
Daredevils agility would play as much a factor in a fight between the two as Caps strength would. Slight if any at all.
Originally posted by Alfheim
DD has knocked Spiderman on his back with one shot?
Maybe. Maybe not, but im going going through every Daredevil and Spiderman fight to find out. Its irrelevant if Cap has knocked Spidey on his back with a punch. Has Cap knocked Spidey out on more than 1 occasion like DD has? I personally think thats more impressive.
Originally posted by Alfheim
In all fairness I dont think you did. I think you just said it wouldnt help and thats it.
I said it wouldnt help because neither of them would show something the other hasnt seen before. Exp is a non factor here.
Originally posted by Alfheim
DD has one billy club right. I dont even think DDs billy clubs are more versatile. Im willing to do a scan war to prove it.
DD has 2 clubs. Ive never stated DDs clubs are more versatile. Re-read my posts. Ive said that offensively, they are used highly similar. Difference offense wise would be that Cap can cut/slice with the shield. Defense wise, Caps shield obviously has the edge.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Again you are making a statemnt without backing it up. Cap has destroyed things tougher than DDs billyclubs and all of a sudden he needs to bash it on the floor. 🤨
Making statements without backing it up? I guess theres alot of that going around here. DD has blocked swords with his clubs as well as other sharp objects. Hes used the clubs to hit superhad object and they didnt break afterwards. DDs clubs are highly durable(the majority of the time). The only times ive seen them easily damaged that i can remeber is when Wolvie cut them.😬
So yea, i dont think Cap is breaking DD clubs with his bare hands. I dont think hes strong enough. They are a thick type of metal i believe. Not wood(usually). Thus, unless Cap uses the shiled, i dont see him breaking them.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Does he? Its not like they've fought each other alot even if he knows that, that doesnt means he will know exactly what hes trying to do.
Yea he does. They fought each other enough for him to know. Cap threw the shield and DD evaded. DD then realized that Cap wasnt actually aiming at him. that happened 3 times i believe. Maybe twice. Hes fought alongside Cap enough times to know that as well.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Never seen DD use his clubs in that way.
Believe me, he has. Right now im feeling kinda lazy. I really dont wanna start posting scans.🙁 Just take my word for it.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Not going to explain how experience helps.
In this situation, you should. How Caps experience is going to help against DD is something id like to hear. Neither of them will be seeing something new.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Thats bull****, logically if he knew what ninjiutsu was even back then that means hes even better at it now and probably knows more about MA than Matt does.
How is bulls**t? Did Cap ever train in ninjitsu? You cant assume he knows it or became a master at it. Just because he knows about it? Id love to see anything that implies Captain America knows more about Martial Arts than Daredevil does.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Again rubbish. Its been stated on panel that Cap trains constantly. You have somebody who has been training constantly even before Matt was born and you dont think hes going to know more about MA than Matt. 🤨 .....if your going to use the "maybe" argument then anythings possible.
Its been stated that Cap trains in what? Trains caonstantly in acrobatics? Trains constantly in boxing and judo? Daredevil is also always training constantly.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Well I tell you what if Blak Widow is a master of ninjitus then logically Cap must be as well. It doesnt neccesarily have to state it is, common sense dictates it. Even if hes not a master of ninjitus he will know more about MA in general than Matt, common sense.
Its not common sense youre using. Youre saying "Cap must be a master if so and so is a master, because hes known about it longer." Not mentioning that Cap has trained in ninjistsu. Has he? You dont know. You just make statements saying he does because he knew about it before they were born. Like i asked before, show me some type of proof that Cap knows more about MA than Daredevil and ill think about conceding. Till then......
Originally posted by Alfheim
Its never mentioned that Moondragon is one of the world powerful telepaths but if you look at her showings she is. Common sense.
🤨Uhh yes it is mentioned that MD is one of the worlds most poweful telepaths. Her skills were on if not close to Strange level without the gem. What are you talking about?
Originally posted by Alfheim
Its a comicbook! C'mon man, you got people get hit by radiation instead of getting cancer they get powers.
I mentioned Bats because you make statements like Cap knows more than so and so, but nothing to prove that. Ninjistu for example, Bats actually trained in it. For years its commonly known. Its never even been stated that Cap has trained in certain arts.
Originally posted by Alfheim
No no no, your not gonna get off that easy. Everyones entitled to their opinion but in this case I think you cant back up your points therefore your using the "opinions vary" escape clause.
I back up my points as much as you do my friend. Like i stated, show me some prof of anything and ill start to concede. Show me proof that Cap may know more about Martial Arts than Daredevil. Show me proof that Cap is a master of ninjitsu. Until then its only speculation on your part and thus is an opinion. Which brings us back to my statement in saying "opinions vary".
Originally posted by jrodslam
Daredevils agility would play as much a factor in a fight between the two as Caps strength would. Slight if any at all.
I can settle for that.
Originally posted by jrodslam
Maybe. Maybe not, but im going going through every Daredevil and Spiderman fight to find out. Its irrelevant if Cap has knocked Spidey on his back with a punch.
Again another stupid statement. Of course its not irrelevant, DD has never knocked Spiderman out like that.
Originally posted by jrodslam
Has Cap knocked Spidey out on more than 1 occasion like DD has?
No because he hasnt fought Spiderman that many times.
Originally posted by jrodslam
I personally think thats more impressive.
Its not and i'll explain why its not. Often when DD has fought Spiderman, Spiderman has been inhibited by some means, like in one circumstance Spiderman was drugged up. When DD has knocked out Spiderman its has either:
a) taken several shots
b)been from behind.
c)Spiderman was inhibited by some means.
When Cap has fought Spiderman there have been no inhibiting factors. In their first fight Cap knocked Spiderman with ONE shot stright away DD hasnt done anything like that. In the Civil War Cap gave Spiderman a beating and he was upgraded. Even a robot clone of Spiderman said he couldnt take Cap in H2H.
DD might beat Spiderman in H2H but Spiderman will get stomped by Cap in H2H.
Originally posted by jrodslam
I said it wouldnt help because neither of them would show something the other hasnt seen before. Exp is a non factor here.
Exp enable you to predict events.....there you go. Cap has lots more than DD and it will help in the fight, doesnt mean its going to be easy.
Originally posted by jrodslam
DD has 2 clubs. Ive never stated DDs clubs are more versatile. Re-read my posts. Ive said that offensively, they are used highly similar. Difference offense wise would be that Cap can cut/slice with the shield. Defense wise, Caps shield obviously has the edge.
So in other words Caps shield is better:
a) offensively
b) defensively
c) more versatile.
Originally posted by jrodslam
Making statements without backing it up? I guess theres alot of that going around here. DD has blocked swords with his clubs as well as other sharp objects. Hes used the clubs to hit superhad object and they didnt break afterwards. DDs clubs are highly durable(the majority of the time). The only times ive seen them easily damaged that i can remeber is when Wolvie cut them.😬So yea, i dont think Cap is breaking DD clubs with his bare hands. I dont think hes strong enough. They are a thick type of metal i believe. Not wood(usually). Thus, unless Cap uses the shiled, i dont see him breaking them.
Er I meant Cap can use his shield to smash his clubs in combat not use his bare hands.
Originally posted by jrodslam
Yea he does. They fought each other enough for him to know. Cap threw the shield and DD evaded. DD then realized that Cap wasnt actually aiming at him. that happened 3 times i believe. Maybe twice. Hes fought alongside Cap enough times to know that as well.
Ok but again that doesnt mean hes going to know exactly what hes going to do.
Originally posted by jrodslam
Believe me, he has. Right now im feeling kinda lazy. I really dont wanna start posting scans.🙁 Just take my word for it.
Ok.
Originally posted by jrodslam
In this situation, you should. How Caps experience is going to help against DD is something id like to hear. Neither of them will be seeing something new.
Again experience enables you to predict things before they happen. That doesnt mean it will be an easy fight. DD has radar sense that will help but that doesnt mean it will be easy to dodge punches.
Originally posted by jrodslam
How is bulls**t? Did Cap ever train in ninjitsu? You cant assume he knows it or became a master at it. Just because he knows about it?
Er back in WW2, a ninja stated that Cap knew their "art". Considering that was ages ago and he trains constantly of course he must have mastered it by now.
Originally posted by jrodslam
Id love to see anything that implies Captain America knows more about Martial Arts than Daredevil does.
I'll think I'll get onto that with my next post.
Originally posted by jrodslam
Its been stated that Cap trains in what? Trains caonstantly in acrobatics? Trains constantly in boxing and judo?
The **** you think? 🤨 Cap doenst have optic blast, guns or an amoured suit. He beats people up by using MA of course it refered to martial arts.
Originally posted by jrodslam
Daredevil is also always training constantly.
Nahhhhh really. The point is Cap has been training constantly before DD was born common sense dictates he probably knows more than DD does.
Originally posted by jrodslam
Its not common sense youre using. Youre saying "Cap must be a master if so and so is a master, because hes known about it longer." Not mentioning that Cap has trained in ninjistsu. Has he? You dont know. You just make statements saying he does because he knew about it before they were born. Like i asked before, show me some type of proof that Cap knows more about MA than Daredevil and ill think about conceding. Till then......
Again I stated that a ninja said that Cap knew ninjiuts, in that incident Cap was owned but that was a long time ago and must have gotten better. Even if hes is not a master of ninjuitsu obvoulsy he must be very good at it now.
Furthermore it has been stated that Cap is one of the greatest martial artists on earth, you dont get to be this by mastering 3 styles. It has been stated that he has mastered boxing and judo, but if thats all hes mastered he would get the crap beaten out of him!
Originally posted by jrodslam
🤨Uhh yes it is mentioned that MD is one of the worlds most poweful telepaths. Her skills were on if not close to Strange level without the gem. What are you talking about?
Ok fair enough, but my point is people dont have to say anything. In all fairness DD has never been mentioned as being one of the greatest martial artists in the world but do you need a poster for somebody to tell you that he is. 🤨
Originally posted by jrodslam
I mentioned Bats because you make statements like Cap knows more than so and so, but nothing to prove that. Ninjistu for example, Bats actually trained in it. For years its commonly known. Its never even been stated that Cap has trained in certain arts.
It been stated that he knows ninjuitsu. Cap taught Spiderman about chi. Chi is a word used in Chinese martial arts, so he knows Chinese martial arts as well.
Originally posted by jrodslam
I back up my points as much as you do my friend. Like i stated, show me some prof of anything and ill start to concede. Show me proof that Cap may know more about Martial Arts than Daredevil. Show me proof that Cap is a master of ninjitsu. Until then its only speculation on your part and thus is an opinion. Which brings us back to my statement in saying "opinions vary".
Ok lets put it this way. You have two martial artists who train alot. MA A and MA B. MA A has been training in martial arts before MA B was born who do you think probably knows more A or B?
Furthermore you CANT be one of the greatest martial artists on earth and only have mastered boxing and judo. If you were to go into an MA tournament only mastering bxoing and judo and other people know that and other stuff you well get ****ed up. Do I have to elaborate?
Originally posted by Alfheim
Again another stupid statement. Of course its not irrelevant, DD has never knocked Spiderman out like that.
The stupid statement is what? It IS irrelevant for the simple fact that Spiderman WASNT knocked out. Who cares if Cap knocked Spiderman on his back with a punch.
Originally posted by Alfheim
No because he hasnt fought Spiderman that many times.
Hey, youre the one who brought Spiderman into this. Its obvious overall DD has better showings against Spidey.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Its not and i'll explain why its not. Often when DD has fought Spiderman, Spiderman has been inhibited by some means, like in one circumstance Spiderman was drugged up. When DD has knocked out Spiderman its has either:a) taken several shots
b)been from behind.
c)Spiderman was inhibited by some means.When Cap has fought Spiderman there have been no inhibiting factors. In their first fight Cap knocked Spiderman with ONE shot stright away DD hasnt done anything like that. In the Civil War Cap gave Spiderman a beating and he was upgraded. Even a robot clone of Spiderman said he couldnt take Cap in H2H.
DD might beat Spiderman in H2H but Spiderman will get stomped by Cap in H2H.
It is, and ill explain why. Whenever Superheroes clash, 8/10 one of them are inhibited in a way. When DD knocked out Spidey...
a) It did take a few hits. So? At least he did it.
b) They were never from behind
c) Of the 2 times that i can remember, they both were inhibited and Spidey was blodlustsed(like the fights usually are here)
Caps brief scuffle with Spidey was indecisive. Spidey was swinging carelessly and Cap knocked him on his ass. Spidey even mentioned not having his guard up. The fight could have easily continued. Spidey wasnt knocked out, so because he was on his ass means nothing.
You have the nerve to bring up the Civil War fight? The fight were Spiderman tried to go pure h2h with Cap? The fight where Caps punches were cracking Ironmans armor and Luke Cage manhandled Samson?😆 Secondly, Cap beating clones doesnt hold much weight. Eventhough he had the skills/abilities of the original, it was clear that he didint fight like the real thing. Hank Pym even stated that he noticed something was different about Spidey. Nice try though.😬
Originally posted by Alfheim
Exp enable you to predict events.....there you go. Cap has lots more than DD and it will help in the fight, doesnt mean its going to be easy.
Ehh not really. If they fight, what is Cap going to predict? His exp wouold help him deal with certain situations better than most, but thats about it. Caps exp hasnt helped him in a fight against DD yet. Theyve already had about 4 confrntations. Some of where they were inhibited as well.
Originally posted by Alfheim
So in other words Caps shield is better:
a) offensively
b) defensively
c) more versatile.
Ive never stated DD clubs were more versatile. However weapons wont play a factor in this fight unbless Cap holds on to his shield. Ive stated that in my last few posts. you seemed to have skipped that.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Er I meant Cap can use his shield to smash his clubs in combat not use his bare hands.
Thats the only way. Cap doing that would only leave himself open. Not a likely option.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Ok but again that doesnt mean hes going to know exactly what hes going to do.
8/10 he probably would.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Again experience enables you to predict things before they happen. That doesnt mean it will be an easy fight. DD has radar sense that will help but that doesnt mean it will be easy to dodge punches.
Again, i dont see how experience helps to predict things in a h2h fight. It does better help you to deal with certain things as ive stated already.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Er back in WW2, a ninja stated that Cap knew their "art". Considering that was ages ago and he trains constantly of course he must have mastered it by now.
Uhh, the ninja stated that Cap possessed knowledge of their martial arts. Its not common that a "Gaijin" would be familiar with some Eastern style. So that means Cap is a master at Eastern Martial Arts? Assumptions.
Originally posted by Alfheim
The **** you think? 🤨 Cap doenst have optic blast, guns or an amoured suit. He beats people up by using MA of course it refered to martial arts.
What do i think? You have no clue at all. In all actuality, you dont know what type of martial arts hes constantly training in. You just know that he constsntly trains. Thats broad and would be inaccurate to make statements like "he must be a master at it, blah blah cause he knew about it back then!"
And the picture you posted doesnt help in debate.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Nahhhhh really. The point is Cap has been training constantly before DD was born common sense dictates he probably knows more than DD does.
Were going in circles. Like ive stated a few times already, you have no clue what type of martial arts Cap is constantly training in. regardless if he started training before DD was born, he may only constantly train in boxing and judo and be a master at only that. Daredevil could have constantly been training in ninjitsu, boxing, judo and aiki-jujutsu.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Again I stated that a ninja said that Cap knew ninjiuts, in that incident Cap was owned but that was a long time ago and must have gotten better. Even if hes is not a master of ninjuitsu obvoulsy he must be very good at it now.Furthermore it has been stated that Cap is one of the greatest martial artists on earth, you dont get to be this by mastering 3 styles. It has been stated that he has mastered boxing and judo, but if thats all hes mastered he would get the crap beaten out of him!
Wrong. the ninja didnt state that Cap knew ninjitsu. He stated that Cap had knowledge of "OUR"(meaning eastern) martial arts.
I usually hear that Cap is one of the greatest combatants on Earth. There are other martial artists who aremore skilled than he is. Which brings us back to the statement i made a few posts ago. You can master 2 arts and still beat someone whos mastered 1 and knows 10 different ones. Just cause Cap may be a master at 2 styles doesnt mean hed get his assed kicked. Master at 2 and is familiar at others. Hes highly competent in what he DOES know. Taskmaster is a master at a few, but gets his ass beat cause his fighting ability sucks.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Ok fair enough, but my point is people dont have to say anything. In all fairness DD has never been mentioned as being one of the greatest martial artists in the world but do you need a poster for somebody to tell you that he is. 🤨
I personally think DD is more skilled than Cap. Overall.
Originally posted by Alfheim
It been stated that he knows ninjuitsu. Cap taught Spiderman about chi. Chi is a word used in Chinese martial arts, so he knows Chinese martial arts as well.
Its been stated that Cap knows ninjitsu? If it has, then what can i say. Cap telling Spidey about Chi should be common knowledge to someone whos a great fighter in the MA's. Which brings us back to Cap having knowledge of "Eastern" Martial Arts.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Ok lets put it this way. You have two martial artists who train alot. MA A and MA B. MA A has been training in martial arts before MA B was born who do you think probably knows more A or B?
Bad example. It all depends on what MA C(Cap) and MA D(DD) train in. If they train constantly in the same things and C was born before D, then yes hed know more. That isnt the case with Cap and DD. Sorry.😬
Originally posted by Alfheim
Furthermore you CANT be one of the greatest martial artists on earth and only have mastered boxing and judo. If you were to go into an MA tournament only mastering bxoing and judo and other people know that and other stuff you well get ****ed up. Do I have to elaborate?
I went into detail about this in my comment further up.
I give up. I still stand firm in saying DD and Fist take the majority. If you wanna continue this, find the largest Cap vs DD thread and bump it. This is slightly getting off topic. Have a good one. 🙂
Originally posted by jrodslam
Agreed with the last 2 posts.Capt, do they show REd and Wolvie fighting? Or was it talked about? Let me get the comic and issue # please.
Also, in response to FOOMs post, Daredevil and Fist have teammed up alot. True its not as much as Panther and Cap, but they know each other VERY well personality and move/fighting skill wise.
could have killed Blade on 62nd pannel to 65th pannel
Also could have on the 70th pannel.
also on 75th pannel and 77th.
your welcome to look it up.
It was Casualties of War It Takes One to kill One Blade a civil war tie-in featuring Wolverine issue 5.
sorry it took so long I have been very bussy.
Originally posted by jrodslamboxing and judo along with jiu jitsu are the 3 most dominant forms of martial arts on the planet.... just so you know...
Daredevils agility would play as much a factor in a fight between the two as Caps strength would. Slight if any at all.Maybe. Maybe not, but im going going through every Daredevil and Spiderman fight to find out. Its irrelevant if Cap has knocked Spidey on his back with a punch. Has Cap knocked Spidey out on more than 1 occasion like DD has? I personally think thats more impressive.
I said it wouldnt help because neither of them would show something the other hasnt seen before. Exp is a non factor here.
DD has 2 clubs. Ive never stated DDs clubs are more versatile. Re-read my posts. Ive said that offensively, they are used highly similar. Difference offense wise would be that Cap can cut/slice with the shield. Defense wise, Caps shield obviously has the edge.
Making statements without backing it up? I guess theres alot of that going around here. DD has blocked swords with his clubs as well as other sharp objects. Hes used the clubs to hit superhad object and they didnt break afterwards. DDs clubs are highly durable(the majority of the time). The only times ive seen them easily damaged that i can remeber is when Wolvie cut them.😬
So yea, i dont think Cap is breaking DD clubs with his bare hands. I dont think hes strong enough. They are a thick type of metal i believe. Not wood(usually). Thus, unless Cap uses the shiled, i dont see him breaking them.
Yea he does. They fought each other enough for him to know. Cap threw the shield and DD evaded. DD then realized that Cap wasnt actually aiming at him. that happened 3 times i believe. Maybe twice. Hes fought alongside Cap enough times to know that as well.
Believe me, he has. Right now im feeling kinda lazy. I really dont wanna start posting scans.🙁 Just take my word for it.
In this situation, you should. How Caps experience is going to help against DD is something id like to hear. Neither of them will be seeing something new.
How is bulls**t? Did Cap ever train in ninjitsu? You cant assume he knows it or became a master at it. Just because he knows about it? Id love to see anything that implies Captain America knows more about Martial Arts than Daredevil does.
Its been stated that Cap trains in what? Trains caonstantly in acrobatics? Trains constantly in boxing and judo? Daredevil is also always training constantly.
Its not common sense youre using. Youre saying "Cap must be a master if so and so is a master, because hes known about it longer." Not mentioning that Cap has trained in ninjistsu. Has he? You dont know. You just make statements saying he does because he knew about it before they were born. Like i asked before, show me some type of proof that Cap knows more about MA than Daredevil and ill think about conceding. Till then......
🤨Uhh yes it is mentioned that MD is one of the worlds most poweful telepaths. Her skills were on if not close to Strange level without the gem. What are you talking about?
I mentioned Bats because you make statements like Cap knows more than so and so, but nothing to prove that. Ninjistu for example, Bats actually trained in it. For years its commonly known. Its never even been stated that Cap has trained in certain arts.
I back up my points as much as you do my friend. Like i stated, show me some prof of anything and ill start to concede. Show me proof that Cap may know more about Martial Arts than Daredevil. Show me proof that Cap is a master of ninjitsu. Until then its only speculation on your part and thus is an opinion. Which brings us back to my statement in saying "opinions vary".
Originally posted by King KAM
boxing and judo along with jiu jitsu are the 3 most dominant forms of martial arts on the planet.... just so you know...
mia tie in my opinion is a more usefull style then either judo or boxing.
Also capt knows moves from quite a few styles. I remeber the hand commenting on capt knowing some of there ancient moves.
Originally posted by capt it uphow does them being the most dominate not make them the most useful....do you even think before your write or does the bullshit just flow through your fingertips???
That does not make them the most usefull now does it?mia tie in my opinion is a more usefull style then either judo or boxing.
Also capt knows moves from quite a few styles. I remeber the hand commenting on capt knowing some of there ancient moves.
Originally posted by King KAM
how does them being the most dominate not make them the most useful....do you even think before your write or does the bullshit just flow through your fingertips???
You said dominate which in the contact you said means most used.
That however does not make it more effective then other styles. It simply the most used style's in the world. Does that mean masters in those styles will beat masters in other styles? Hell no.
You watch ultimate fighting? The most used style in Ultimate fighting is mia tie ( MU Tie, can't really spell it right lol). Ultimate fighters are some of if not the greatest fighters in the world. Now if the most used style and known style to them is Mia tie then that would make it a more usefull style in MA combat.
I am sorry, but your sad attempt to attack me failed. You can not simply assume becuase those styles are the most used and taught in the world makes them the best.
so capt being a boxer, jude master means really nothing. Niether style is the best style in the world and is not even the most used style by the greatest of all mix martial artist.
By the way I put a mia tie fighter beating a boxer any day. Mai tie has all the strength boxing gives and almost none of the weaknesses.
Originally posted by capt it upno in the context i used dominate meant the most effective styles on the planet, if i would of meant the most used i woulda said popular. Tae kwon do, and king fu are the most popular. dominant means powerful, ruling.
Please were did I say anything close to being bull shit.You said dominate which in the contact you said means most used.
That however does not make it more effective then other styles. It simply the most used style's in the world. Does that mean masters in those styles will beat masters in other styles? Hell no.
You watch ultimate fighting? The most used style in Ultimate fighting is mia tie ( MU Tie, can't really spell it right lol). Ultimate fighters are some of if not the greatest fighters in the world. Now if the most used style and known style to them is Mia tie then that would make it a more usefull style in MA combat.
I am sorry, but your sad attempt to attack me failed. You can not simply assume becuase those styles are the most used and taught in the world makes them the best.
so capt being a boxer, jude master means really nothing. Niether style is the best style in the world and is not even the most used style by the greatest of all mix martial artist.
By the way I put a mia tie fighter beating a boxer any day. Mai tie has all the strength boxing gives and almost none of the weaknesses.
Boxing, Judo, and Jiu-jitsu are the most used in MMA not muay thai. There is one champ who is a muay thai fighter in the UFC. and dont start telling me about the UFC, MMA is my first love, i post on sherdog more than on KMC.
and muay thai is great and all, but cap isnt a straight boxer, he uses judo and jujitsu, JUDO and BOXING should more than make up for any advantage muay thai gives a man by use of clinch and kicks.
Originally posted by srankmissingninand brubaker is a hell of a writer. and yes ironfist is over confident and a hot head, and DD is a monster, but he writes cap like the perfect soldier....perfect.
They way Brubaker has written Cap, Iron Fist and DD, I would say that Cap would solo both Matt and Danny. Iron Fist is, while skilled, cocky, hot headed and over confident... and Matt, even though he has been displayed has supperior to IF still has trouble with guys like Tomb Stone and Gladiator.
Originally posted by King KAM
which happens to be judo and jujitsu....hmmmmm
Yup.
Originally posted by King KAM
and brubaker is a hell of a writer. and yes ironfist is over confident and a hot head, and DD is a monster, but he writes cap like the perfect soldier....perfect.
Yeah. He writes all three of these guys amazingly, almost exactly how I would... if I had any writing talents.