Originally posted by Mider999
you can show scans of the LT using the presance as his tea cup for all you want but thats really a load of it, he's the boss of MU thats it this omniverse stuff is getting out of hand.
You don't like it write a letter to Marvel and complain.
Until Marval says otherwise I'll stick with what they say. 🙂
Originally posted by h1a8
Know that the brothers>>>>>>>>>>>LT. Their power dwarfs his.
LT and Spectre were able to MERGE the Two Brothers by FORCE into ONE Universe:
(we find out in the Next Issue, that the Living Tribunal and Spectre were the ones that MERGED the TWO Universes BY FORCE!)
"He had thought the MERGING was the DOING of the Brothers, it was NOT"
"because of the War, ONE of the Universes faced being hurled INTO OBLIVION"
the On Panel account clearly depicts LT and Spectre HOLDING the Brothers together by Force.
"And the Cosmic Guardians ... the Living Tribunal and Spectre, are HOLDING it ALL TOGETHER "
"Their effort Created a Amalgam Universe ... the Brother aren't Happy about it"
Originally posted by h1a8
With all that mumble jumble LT has been proven inferior or equal even to some in his own multiverse.
"mumble jumble?"
I'm presenting On Panel Art with visualization and character statements, and you dismiss it with no contradictory proof. 😉
When has LT been "proven inferior or equal" to others in the Multiverse?
i guess if marvel told you that you was actually an ameba youd believe it.........oh and i dont know what you think the omniverse is sir but in definition that includes this universe i guess you believe the LT to be real i guess marvel really isnt some comic book company there actually like super gods beyond this universe pretending to be humans well i dont believe that but as you say you'll stick to what they say..............
Originally posted by Mider999
i guess if marvel told you that you was actually an ameba youd believe it.........
lmfao
Originally posted by Mider999
oh and i dont know what you think the omniverse is sir but in definition that includes this universe
Where does it say that in the Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe v5 (2006)
Originally posted by Mider999
i guess you believe the LT to be real i guess marvel really isnt some comic book company there actually like super gods beyond this universe pretending to be humans well i dont believe that but as you say you'll stick to what they say..............
dontgetit
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
No he doesn't. He is bound by rules and the cosmic balance. The Ultimator gives no such care about such things. The LT has been beaten on panel before. He even questioned his might against the IG which is not even in league with Mxy's power.
Here we go again. Living Tribunal is second to the One Above All. That simple. No abstract comes close. He's #1. 🙂
Originally posted by Mr Master
LT and Spectre were able to MERGE the Two Brothers by FORCE into ONE Universe:
(we find out in the Next Issue, that the Living Tribunal and Spectre were the ones that MERGED the TWO Universes BY FORCE!)[B]"He had thought the MERGING was the DOING of the Brothers, it was NOT"
"because of the War, ONE of the Universes faced being hurled INTO OBLIVION"the On Panel account clearly depicts LT and Spectre HOLDING the Brothers together by Force.
"And the Cosmic Guardians ... the Living Tribunal and Spectre, are HOLDING it ALL TOGETHER "
"Their effort Created a Amalgam Universe ... the Brother aren't Happy about it""mumble jumble?"
I'm presenting On Panel Art with visualization and character statements, and you dismiss it with no contradictory proof. 😉
When has LT been "proven inferior or equal" to others in the Multiverse? [/B]
(Here we go again)
No the first scan doesn't show that the brothers merged into one universe (multiverse whatever) by the power of the LT and Spectre it clearly states that the brothers decided to end the fight in there own way not by being forced and the reason the stopped wasn't because of LT and Spectre fighting them but because they saw something in Bruce Wayne and Captain America something unique that maked them stop.
Correct the merging wasn't the doing of the brothers but it doesn't say that LT nore Spectre Forced them into anything, but they with a last ditch effort managed to trick them into a amalgam universe. So in some sense you are right they tricked the brothers. Didn't own them, in anyway.
Mumble Jumble ??? Mr Master makes a honour in always supporting his thread with scans and well known facts and then some (I make a honour in shooting them down😉)
Originally posted by Utrigita
No the first scan doesn't show that the brothers merged into one universe (multiverse whatever) by the power of the LT and Spectre it clearly states that the brothers decided to end the fight in there own way not by being forced
Dude where are you getting your information from?
Where does it say that the Brothers Merged on their own,
by their own decision? 😕 (you just made that up)
And you're willfully ignoring On Panel and character statements, this will lead to circles.
Originally posted by Utrigita
and the reason the stopped wasn't because of LT and Spectre fighting them but because they saw something in Bruce Wayne and Captain America something unique that maked them stop.
That's at the END of the saga, what are you talking about it?
This has Nothing to do with LT and Spectre MERGING them by Force.
Which they did ON PANEL!
Originally posted by Utrigita
Correct the merging wasn't the doing of the brothers but it doesn't say that LT nore Spectre Forced them into anything, but they with a last ditch effort managed to trick them into a amalgam universe. So in some sense you are right they tricked the brothers. Didn't own them, in anyway.
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Were are you getting this "tricked them into an Amalgam Universe?"
On Panel they MERGED by the Living Tribunal and Spectre by FORCE!
"He had thought the MERGING was the DOING of the Brothers, it was NOT"
"because of the War, ONE of the Universes faced being hurled INTO OBLIVION"
"And the Cosmic Guardians ... the Living Tribunal and Spectre, are HOLDING it ALL TOGETHER "
"Their effort Created a Amalgam Universe ... the Brother aren't Happy about it" [/B]
Why would they be struggling if the Brothers are complying with the MERGER? hum
Originally posted by Utrigita
Mr Master makes a honour in always supporting his thread with scans and well known facts and then some (I make a honour in shooting them down)
With unsupported opinions, but who's counting.
Originally posted by Mr Master
Dude where are you getting your information from?Where does it say that the Brothers Merged on their own,
by their own decision? 😕 (you just made that up)
And you're willfully ignoring On Panel and character statements, this will lead to circles.
Will you please read the first one of the scans you postet everything on it please: The brothers are settling the contest their OWN way ... By coming together fusing all that they are so they can coexist as one unified being: sorry doesn't see LT and SPectre doing anything to force them. We see that the Brothers fusing together and creating the Amalgam universe was a last ditch effort by Spectre and The Living Tribunal, to prevent Marvel, since DC won, from being completely obliterated.
AND THEY DIDN'T MERGE THEM BY FORCE! they tricked them and where do you get you :BY FORCE: from, and if they really could force the brothers to anything then how come LT saying in the beginning that for the first time he couldn't do anything to uphold the cosmic balance???
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http://img143.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bro2xa7.jpg
Oh Would you like to get the Part with Batman and Captain america again a scan perhaps that show that it is THEM not the Spectre and LT Marvel can thank for not being blow to bits.
And I give you credit I think you are a great debater I respect you even though I disagree with you. I then make a little fun and you throw it back in my face like it was a poisinous snake!
Originally posted by Utrigita
Will you please read the first one of the scans you postet everything on it please: The brothers are settling the contest their OWN way ... By coming together fusing all that they are so they can coexist as one unified being:
That's what the prior "Access" who thought that:
In the next issue we learn it was LT and Spectre that MERGED them:
Originally posted by Utrigita
sorry doesn't see LT and SPectre doing anything to force them.
That's because we SEE them in the Next issue OWNING the Brothers momentarily by MERGING them.
Originally posted by Utrigita
We see that the Brothers fusing together and creating the Amalgam universe was a last ditch effort by Spectre and The Living Tribunal, to prevent Marvel, since DC won, from being completely obliterated.
This actually agrees with me.
Originally posted by Utrigita
AND THEY DIDN'T MERGE THEM BY FORCE! they tricked them and where do you get you :BY FORCE: from,
When you show us On Panel this statement I'll agree.
Until then the Brothers were Merged by Spectre and LT, and they are struggling to hold them together, (IMPLYING FORCE)
Originally posted by Utrigita
and if they really could force the brothers to anything then how come LT saying in the beginning that for the first time he couldn't do anything to uphold the cosmic balance???
He was Alone when he said that?
But when Spectre and LT joined, they manipulated the Brothers physically.
Originally posted by Utrigita
Oh Would you like to get the Part with Batman and Captain america again a scan perhaps that show that it is THEM not the Spectre and LT Marvel can thank for not being blow to bits.
Read the Comic dude, then come come back.
You're beginning to make circles, I won't dance.
Last time,
Batman and Captain America influenced the Brothers to co-exist at the END of the Series!!! (NOT when LT and Spectre MERGED the Brothers)
Originally posted by Utrigita
And I give you credit I think you are a great debater I respect you even though I disagree with you. I then make a little fun and you throw it back in my face like it was a poisinous snake!
Thanx,
but let's stick to debating and leave the funny stuff elsewhere. 🙂
Originally posted by Mr Master
He was Alone when he said that?But when Spectre and LT joined, they manipulated the Brothers physically.
Read the Comic dude, then come come back.
You're beginning to make circles, I won't dance.
Last time,
Batman and Captain America influenced the Brothers to co-exist at the END of the Series!!! (NOT when LT and Spectre MERGED the Brothers)
Thanx,
but let's stick to debating and leave the funny stuff elsewhere. 🙂
Will make these very quick come with better response tomorrow hope you can wait.
I didn't disagree with you on the brothers merging but i disagree on the way it is done.
Glad that you neither could find you force but it is IMPLYING FORCE, but still in my openion I see the Brothers tricked into merging, because if it was by force it wouldn't be nessary to make a last ditch effort to anything if they could force them. Then all would be fine.
Oh and change you statement that they owned them since they on longer used direct force but in some way you are right implying force can be many things
Clearly they didn't manipulate the brothers physically, when it is shown them hanging on the swords on the brothers while they fight but is incapable of doing anything and The Brothers unleash so much energy that spectre and LT i awred, and again you and I have either no prove if it is only one ore both of the brothers but something tells me it is only on of them he fells.
I am not a dancer I am raising this because of it showing that in the end the LT and Spectre wasn't capable of doing anything against the will of the brothers, the only way they could be stopped was if they chosed it themselves.
Originally posted by Utrigita
Will make these very quick come with better response tomorrow hope you can wait.
If it's this same defence I can.
Originally posted by Utrigita
I didn't disagree with you on the brothers merging but i disagree on the way it is done.Glad that you neither could find you force but it is IMPLYING FORCE, but still in my openion I see the Brothers tricked into merging, because if it was by force it wouldn't be nessary to make a last ditch effort to anything if they could force them. Then all would be fine.
dontgetit
I don't think you understand what a "last ditch effort" means.
The "Last ditch effort" to save one of the Brothers was MADE BY Spectre and the Living Tribunal, what is it you don't understand? 😕
The "Last ditch effort" was MERGING them, and HELD intacked by LT & Spectre (in other words ... Manipulated/Warped)
Originally posted by Utrigita
Oh and change you statement that they owned them since they on longer used direct force but in some way you are right implying force can be many things
Actually it's clearly enough depicted artistically that LT and Spectre were using FORCE.
You don't want to accept the evidence, that's on you.
Originally posted by Utrigita
Clearly they didn't manipulate the brothers physically, when it is shown them hanging on the swords on the brothers while they fight but is incapable of doing anything and The Brothers unleash so much energy that spectre and LT i awred, and again you and I have either no prove if it is only one ore both of the brothers but something tells me it is only on of them he fells.
Meh, they only struck each other ONCE after LT and Spectre intervened.
Imo they held them back quite effectively.
Originally posted by Utrigita
I am not a dancer I am raising this because of it showing that in the end the LT and Spectre wasn't capable of doing anything against the will of the brothers, the only way they could be stopped was if they chosed it themselves.
If you say so.
But On Panel LT and Spectre Merged them and kept them Merged by FORCE.
And they also HELD them back after they found the Brothers fighting, the Brothers only struck each other Once at the end.
hmmmm i once read a comic where Myx destroyed the multiverse with bat mite if that was cannon which we dont know if it is, that would be pretty hard for LT to defeat this guy there talking about since the fifty dimension is full of guys as strong or stronger then myx, and then you have to put into fact the other universes.
*What does this have to do with the Living Tribunal's Feat?*
A lot, the feats may seem impressive at first but if you consider that the DC Universe is build in another fashion then the Marvel one those feats won't be as impressive as some DC fans may think. Such feats are predistinated to impress DC fans but only if not properly explained. So you have to explain how to compare Marvel and DC feats before comparing the power of 2 beings from differen't companies.
*And who was comparing DC and Marvel? *
LT is from Marvel and Ultimator AFAIK from DC, right? If you compare two beings from different universes with feats, without explaining how different the DC Universe, which is independent to all that Marvel may write or think, works you seemed to put the Marvel U over DC.
*And who said they were the Brothers from the DC vs Marvel garbage?*
Since only the brothers known to most of us are those from Marvel vs DC, I see a need to differ. BTW You state in another post that you indeed think so or is this just a misunderstanding?.
* those picture you showed early they where after a retcon right ???*
*Yes.
The "Brothers" only lasted 4 MONTHS in thier existence as supposed embodiments of DC & Marvel (this was Never mentioned in any other Marvel Comic Book btw)
October 1996, Marvel Comics vs DC is published (Brothers intro)
February 1997, Adventures of the X-Men (relevent issues of the series) is published. (the retcon)
In Adventures of the X-Men the Brothers are retconned into Two Marvel Megaverses.
Each Megaverse is a collection of Multiverses.*
Marvel can't recton the Brothers on their own, sorry to say it but this would be hilarious. "They rectonned the Brothers into 2 Marvel Megaverses, each is a collection of Multiverses, before that you talk about the Brothers from Marvel vs DC." You see, that's where misunderstandings come from.
To explain this, the Brothers from Marvel vs DC were not rectonned by Marvel (except if DC rectonned them too, which didn't happen AFAIK), those brothers LT created or help create are two differen't beings that go by the same name. Like TOAA the boss of Lt and TOAA the Celestial.
*I clearly said the Living Tribunal's is holding TWO Marvel Megaverses in his Hand.
I never said the Living Tribunal is holding DC in his Hand.
These Megaverses have absolutely NOTHING to do with DC.*
Did you change your mind? 😕 Look below, another post from you, the second part.
*you can show scans of the LT using the presance as his tea cup for all you want but thats really a load of it, he's the boss of MU thats it this omniverse stuff is getting out of hand.*
*You don't like it write a letter to Marvel and complain.
Until Marval says otherwise I'll stick with what they say.*
IIRC the Presence is a DC thing right, the counterpart to TOAA? Surely you just don't felt the need to response to this, it seems here you think differently but well one can't be sure.
*I'm just posting a FEAT courtesy of the Living Tribunal.
That's how we decide the winner of these hypothetical battles.
Yes that's right, but still, I find the need to think about the way both universes work, so I can judge and understand the feats better.
My summary;
The Marvel Universe is an Omniverse, full of Megaverses and Multiverses, it even has it's own set of Brothers (not the Brothers from DC vs Marvel)
The DC Universe is one powerful Multiverse/Universe (as they wish)
Each Companybased Universe has an "imaginary" power of say 100
Marvel decided to split it between it's omniverse. Lets say they have 100 Megaverses in this Omniverse, each gets it fair share of power, means 1.
Holding 2 Megaverses is a FEAT of 2.
DC decided to have one Multiverse (Or Universe depends) This Mutiverse gets the full power of 100. It's split into 9 (?) Dimensions (nvrbeenwthagirl would need you to explain me what Ultimator destroyed 😉) each dimension has a power of 100:9 = 11,11* owning 5-9 would mean the Ultimator had a FEAT of 55,55* which is a way more impressing then LT's feat 😉. When one considers that the Anti-Monitor destroyed the whole Multiverse except 5 Universes (realities) this would be at least a FEAT of 95 😄.
Now I understands why the DC heroes are often Cosmic beings themselves, because DC decided to give more power into each Universe, that's why one should consider each GL, Superman, WW and all other powerhouses of the DC U superior to the Powerhouses of Marvel maybe even equal or Superior to beings like Galactus, Celestials or Eternity. Destroy a Galaxy in the DC U and it's about the same FEAT as destryoing an entire Universe in Marvel. Makes sense.
Except, if Marvel decided to put say 90% of their power into the Marvel Universe(Multiverse) giving the rest of the Megaverses and Multiverses only the remaining 10% of the power, well this would put the Marvel Universe back into the ring. Though then the LT FEAT with the two Megaverses would be just "pathetic".
*LT vs Ultimator*
That Said, I already Voted for LT because he is Spectres counterpart, even though this Megaverse feat may be "lame" he is still labeled as the second one in the food chain by Marvel.
Mider? Make something up?
Naaaaaaw.
Mr. Master, this kid has a mad-on for the Tribunal for no reason.
Anyway, the Tribunal is a multiversal entity that is essentially the emissary for the will of Stan Lee.
What he says quite literally goes, no questions asked.
Take what Mr. Mxy has been able to do, and multiply it by an endless amount, and you have the Tribunal.
Just an added note, but if Spectre is DC's Tribunal, why did Emperor Joker have him in a bird cage?
