Proposal Requires Straights to Have Kids or Marriages Will Be Voided

"Proposal Requires Straights to Have Kids or Marriages Will Be Voided"—Associated Press

Olympia, Washington—Proponents of same-sex marriage have introduced a ballot measure that would require heterosexual couples to have a child within three years or have their marriages annulled.

The Washington Defense of Marriage Alliance acknowledged on its website that the initiative was "absurd," but hoped the idea prompts "discussion about the many misguided assumptions" underlying a state Supreme Court ruling that upheld a ban on same-sex marriage.

The measure would require couples to prove they can have children to get a marriage license. Couples who do not have children within three years could have their marriages annulled.

All other marriages would be defined as "unrecognized," making those couples ineligible for marriage benefits.

The paperwork for the measure was submitted last month. Supporters must gather at least 224,800 signatures by July 6th to put it on the November ballot.

The group said the proposal was aimed at "social conservatives who have long screamed that marriage exists for the sole purpose of procreation."

Cheryl Haskins, executive director of Allies for Marriage and Children, said opponents of same-sex marriage want only to preserve marriage as the union of a man and a woman.

"Some of those unions produce children and some of them don't," she said.

thats a stupid proposal, i hope it dies in firey flames of death

Originally posted by Mr. Zet
thats a stupid proposal, i hope it dies in firey flames of death

"The Washington Defense of Marriage Alliance acknowledged on its website that the initiative was "absurd," but hoped the idea prompts "discussion about the many misguided assumptions" underlying a state Supreme Court ruling that upheld a ban on same-sex marriage."

I don't think it was ever intended to get anywhere, but it does make a logical point (in terms of popular arguments against same-sex marriage - the "oh, think of the children, society would collapse if gays could marry because then no marriage would produce kids blah blah blah"😉

Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
I don't think it was ever intended to get anywhere, but it does make a logical point (in terms of popular arguments against same-sex marriage - the "oh, think of the children, society would collapse if gays could marry because then no marriage would produce kids blah blah blah"😉

I think the idea is more that society would be screwed up by teaching children that un-natural, biologically incorrect sexual activities and lifestyles are normal.

By telling them that if they are born with or without a penis and they want or don't want one, that they can be something that they weren't born as, and that a doctor will do it for them as young as the age of 12.

I think the idea is that telling kids that bees polinate flowers, the rain moves in a cycle, and male and females create more people is thrown out of wack when you tell them in the next breath that homosexuality or transexuality is also normal and natural.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
I think the idea is more that society would be screwed up by teaching children that un-natural, biologically incorrect sexual activities and lifestyles are normal.

By telling them that if they are born with or without a penis and they want or don't want one, that they can be something that they weren't born as, and that a doctor will do it for them as young as the age of 12.

I think the idea is that telling kids that bees polinate flowers, the rain moves in a cycle, and male and females create more people is thrown out of wack when you tell them in the next breath that homosexuality or transexuality is also normal and natural.

Although it is the truth?

yes, we cant have children who accept people for who they are rather than endlessly harass and persecute others based on their own scewed and hypocritical sense of morality 👆

Originally posted by sithsaber408
I think the idea is more that society would be screwed up by teaching children that un-natural, biologically incorrect sexual activities and lifestyles are normal.

By telling them that if they are born with or without a penis and they want or don't want one, that they can be something that they weren't born as, and that a doctor will do it for them as young as the age of 12.

I think the idea is that telling kids that bees polinate flowers, the rain moves in a cycle, and male and females create more people is thrown out of wack when you tell them in the next breath that homosexuality or transexuality is also normal and natural.

Saying you must be physically able to have kids to be married is about as fair as saying you must have at least a six-inch schlong to be in a gay relationship. (ooh, where is Lord droolio Urizen when you need him???? Oh, that's right - banned 🙁 )

Originally posted by Bardock42
Although it is the truth?

No no, because it isn't true.

(At least that's what me and 85% of Americans think, but what do we know?)

Originally posted by PVS
yes, we cant have children who accept people for who they are rather than endlessly harass and persecute others based on their own scewed and hypocritical sense of morality 👆

You can accept a person for who they are and not stop them in their own pursuits, but it doesn't mean that you have to tell children that such pursuits are normal.

There is a difference, and a line there.... one that isn't getting crossed.

Tolerance and acceptance don't always mean validation and promotion.

(think alcoholics, we don't persecute them and we accept them as people, but I'm not teaching kids that a destructive behavior is normal, healthy, and good for them and should be considered as such.)

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
I think society would be more screwed up by the fact that there are bigots in it who seek to impose their subjective morality on everyone else. 🙂

Originally posted by sithsaber408
No no, because it isn't true.

(At least that's what me and 85% of Americans think, but what do we know?) Nobody said anything about harrasment and persecution

Nothing much if you think that, since homosexually is, factually, natural.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Nothing much if you think that, since homosexually is, factually, natural.

Then using the thread title as a talking point:

Why doesn't it have the ability to reproduce itself?

Originally posted by sithsaber408
Then using the thread title as a talking point:

Why doesn't it have the ability to reproduce itself?

I dunno, why doesn't a stone in the prairie have the ability to reproduce itself? Are you saying it's not natural just because it can't create offspring? Besides occuring not only in humans (which are animals) but many other species as well?

Originally posted by sithsaber408
Some things are certain and not subjective.

Maybe, but we can't be certain about them not being subjective, can we? No we can't.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE

Can they adopt, or do they have to have biological children?

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Bardock, seriously, what the hell is up with your avatar and sig?

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
Can they adopt, or do they have to have biological children?

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Bardock, seriously, what the hell is up with your avatar and sig?

Sanctuary and I traded sigs. But I got the better deal, I gave her my soul on top of it.

Anyways, I don't think that is the point, it's just that one of the arguments often brought by Nazis...I beg your pardon, right wing fundamentalists is that gays can't reproduce...which is correct, but of no matter in a civilized society, such as....one without the likes of sithsaber.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Anyways, I don't think that is the point, it's just that one of the arguments often brought by Nazis...I beg your pardon, right wing fundamentalists is that gays can't reproduce...which is correct, but of no matter in a civilized society, such as....one without the likes of sithsaber.

But still, whether or not a straight couple can adopt to avoid anullment will come up and is unavoidable.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Sanctuary and I traded sigs. But I got the better deal, I gave her my soul on top of it.

Anyways, I don't think that is the point, it's just that one of the arguments often brought by Nazis...I beg your pardon, right wing fundamentalists is that gays can't reproduce...which is correct, but of no matter in a civilized society, such as....one without the likes of sithsaber.

Gays can reproduce, however they may choose not to though.

Originally posted by Soleran
Gays can reproduce, however they may choose not to though.

Yes. I was refering to the couple as an entity. Though phrased it ..unwell.

Originally posted by Bardock42
I dunno

This is your true answer. The rest is a sidetrack attempt at philosophy. We are discussing sexual activity in human beings, not the natural-ness of stones.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Are you saying it's not natural just because it can't create offspring?

Originally posted by Bardock42
Besides occuring not only in humans but many other species as well?

Surely that isn't your logic to defend a person's lifestyle.... is it?

It is, isn't it?

How juvenile.

"Well the dogs sniff each others butts and lick their own a$$holes, so it's normal if we do it too!"

❌

And I'll not have that taught to my children as some lame half-cooked attempt at validating an un-natural, destructive behavior.

(actually, the 4th and 5th graders that I work with now would see through such logic on their own.)

Originally posted by sithsaber408

"Well the dogs sniff each others butts and lick their own a$$holes, so it's normal if we do it too!"

Good one! 😂

Originally posted by sithsaber408
This is your true answer. The rest is a sidetrack attempt at philosophy. We are discussing sexual activity in human beings, not the natural-ness of stones. Yes. And animals also eat their own children and feces. Some kill their partners after sex.

Surely that isn't your logic to defend a person's lifestyle.... is it?

It is, isn't it?

How juvenile.

"Well the dogs sniff each others butts and lick their own a$$holes, so it's normal if we do it too!"

❌

And I'll not have that taught to my children as some lame half-cooked attempt at validating an un-natural, destructive behavior.

(actually, the 4th and 5th graders that I work with now would see through such logic on their own.)

No that's not my logic. Lets review how this one went, I will use fake names as to not embarrass either of us.

Stupid fundamentalist bigot: Gay sex is unnatural.
Enlightened intelligent person that happens to be right: It is actually natural, as can be seen by other animals besides humans doing it.
Stupid fundamentalist bigot: So what? Eating your children is also natural, doesn't make it right.
Enlightened intelligent person that happens to be right: **** you, go die.

Anyways. Homosexuality is natural. End of that topic.