Burn Out or Fade Away?

Originally posted by The Core
Ignoramus.

If Pink Floyd released an album tomorrow it'd hit the top of the Billboard charts too silly! What are you serious? "Billboard" is the basis of your argument?

Nice point! You got me there!

Even of there are fading bands that do that on occasion (which there are) the point is it's not on as regular a basis, and the music's not near as rocking as it was when they were in their heyday...hence they've faded.

Stop trying to prove the impossible just because you happen to like Prince.

Really sad.

Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
Yeah...didn't Pearl Jam top Billboard well after they had frizzled up with some of their lame releases?

For once just be a bit of a man and say "Ok, I got it wrong.". Just once, even if never again, just admit you've been proven wrong.

"Prince isn't relevant, he's faded away.", both The Core and myself prove you wrong.

"The Rolling Stones have faded.", VVD proves you wrong.

Please just once say "Ok, I got it wrong.". Because I feel sorry for you.

-AC

Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
Yeah...didn't Pearl Jam top Billboard well after they had frizzled up with some of their lame releases?

So, we proved your Rolling Stones and Prince theories as totally inaccurate, we're going after seemingly nominal jam bands now?

Seriously. You already chose bands to make a point with, and failed miserably. Leave it at that. You used bad examples, and apparently SOMEONE is buying these artists albums to get them where they still are, decades into their careers.

You guys are weak, weak, weak. There's no argument around this. I guarntee most people who have read or will read this will absoluelty scoff at your claims.

Gimme a break!

So transparent what this is all about too. 2 dudes who are so insecure in their abilities to judge music that they are too blind to admit someone's pointed out how they've goofed.

The Rolling Stones...haven't faded...

😆 😆 😆 😆

How about you leave then? You clearly don't like us smashing you to pieces, and we don't like you being here.

Otherwise, this is all that will happen.

-AC

Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
Yeah...didn't Pearl Jam top Billboard well after they had frizzled up with some of their lame releases?

If Pink Floyd released an album tomorrow it'd hit the top of the Billboard charts too silly! What are you serious? "Billboard" is the basis of your argument?

Nice point! You got me there!

Even of there are fading bands that do that on occasion (which there are) the point is it's not on as regular a basis, and the music's not near as rocking as it was when they were in their heyday...hence they've faded.

Stop trying to prove the impossible just because you happen to like Prince.

Really sad.

You have heard of the album sales tracking service called SOUNDSCAN, by which BILLBOARD measures their chart placement, yes? Wait a second! You're the one that used Billboard and Grammy awards as the basis of your arguement for Prince's supposed lack of sales!

Not every band puts out platinum records everytime. They MUST have a fanbase buying these albums considering they've had a slump, and STILL manage to top the most important chart in the music industry.

Weither or not the newer albums are up to snuff with the old is strictly opinion. The fact of the matter is that they still sell.

Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
You guys are weak, weak, weak. There's no argument about it. I guarntee most people who have read or will read this will absoluelty scoff at your claims.

Gimme a break!

Prove the links I provided for Prince's album sales wrong. Prove the links I provided for Prince's grammy nominations wrong. Prove Doom's links for the Rolling Stones concert grosses wrong.

Please. We're so weak that we probably fabricated them with our magical record sales supercomputer that makes a genie appear and sells albums and tickets for bands on a whim so that we can be right in arguement.

You're in denial. You should consider "burning out" while you're still not ahead.

Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
Even of there are fading bands that do that on occasion (which there are) the point is it's not on as regular a basis, and the music's not near as rocking as it was when they were in their heyday...hence they've faded.

So you've gone from trying to prove that Prince and The Stones have faded AWAY, and are now trying to just say they are no longer in their heyday?

Make up your mind.

-AC

Originally posted by EPIIIBITES

So transparent what this is all about too. 2 dudes who are so insecure in their abilities to judge music that they are too blind to admit someone's pointed out how they've goofed.

Since when has this ever been about "judging music"? You cited two examples, you got shown up with cold hard facts that proved you both wrong, and totally uneducated, and now you're on the defensive without a leg to stand on.

Just leave already. I'm having fun, but it's slightly embarassing at the same time.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
So you've gone from trying to prove that Prince and The Stones have faded AWAY, and are now trying to just say they are no longer in their heyday?

Make up your mind.

-AC

Obviously they're still alive (or some of them are still around)...and as long as Aerosmith, Depeche Mode, Pink Floyd, The Rolling Stones, Pearl Jam, Prince, Bon Jovi, The New York Dolls, The Sex Pistols, and Michael Jackson are still alive they're gonna keep making stuff that pales in comparison to what they did in their prime (or the music they would have finished off with if they had burnt out), and they're gonna still sell records, have clueless fans, get the odd award, and sell millions of overly-priced tickets to arena shows.

You're wrong!!!!! They've FADED away!

Pathetic! This is the dumbest argument you could possibly ever stand behind! You're fools, and anyone with half a mind who reads this will say you're fools!

You do realize that Prince, the guy that debuted at No. 1 in 2006, has been making music for 30 years, yes? You also realize that the Rolling Stones, the highest grossing live act of all time, have been in the industry since 1964? Of course they're "fading". It's still irrelevant, considering they still sell.

No artist that has been in the industry as long as they have stand as much a chance considering every generation brings change. Like I said, the fact of the matter is that they still sell. Not because of their novelty, because people like their music.

The state of the artists degredation is subjective. Depeche Mode's "Playing the Angel", in my opinion, is as good as, if not better than "Exciter".

..and don't talk to me about being foolish.

Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
Yeah...they're fading away from what they once were!!! They'e faded away from their prime! They've faded away from relevancy! They'eve faded away from everything that's good about music that grabs the world's attention for a little while!!!

Hahahaha, so stressed.

So seeing as we're judging based on popularity, how can you say The Rolling Stones have faded from the world's attention? They just grossed the most successful tour ever, people made that happen.

Prince's most recent album debuted at number 1 and it's his first album to do so.

You're clutching at straws.

Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
Obviously they're still alive (or some of them are still around)...and as long as Aerosmith, Depeche Mode, Pink Floyd, The Rolling Stones, Pearl Jam, Prince, Bon Jovi, The New York Dolls, The Sex Pistols, and Michael Jackson are still alive they're gonna keep making stuff that pales in comparison to what they did in their prime (or the music they would have finished off with if they had burnt out), and they're gonna still sell records, have clueless fans, get the odd award, and sell millions of overly-priced tickets to arena shows.

So how does this prove Prince or The Rolling Stones have faded away? They haven't. Fading away and not being in your prime are two different things. You said they were the former, they're not.

Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
You're wrong!!!!! They've FADED away!

Haha, they haven't. Just calm down, child.

Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
Pathetic! This is the dumbest argument you could possibly ever stand behind! You're fools, and anyone with half a mind who reads this will say you're fools!

Hahaha, here:

-AC

Originally posted by The Core
The state of the artists degredation is subjective. Depeche Mode's "Playing the Angel", in my opinion, is as good as, if not better than "Exciter".

Oh man...are you for real.??? Your examples are just getting worse and worse.

Exciter...the album that defines Depeche Mode!! A brilliant work by a band at their artistic peak!! That's probably the most ridiculous excuse for an argument I've ever heard 😆

You're being called foolish because you're fooling yourself into believing absolute B.S. I'm sure you're decently intelligent, but that's what happens when you start making ridiculous claims and agreeing with another fool just to gang up on someone.

Weak!

Notice how nothing he says is actually refuting our points anymore.

-AC

You guys...too funny.

I'll make it simple so you can MAYBE understand...

At the end of Prince's life, and long into the future, people will look back and say "Prince was once big and then he gradually faded away". That's what they'll say. Even though he had a couple hits in the 90s or whatever...he "faded away" (from the point he will be remembered for and from the level of excellence he had once achieved). Slowly but surely...faded.

That's what I'm putting forward as criteria for "FADE away".

It doesn't matter how long a band is around...and even if they have the rare radio hit or get nominated/win an oscar for "best song in a movie" (like HAPPY FEET...oh my) over the span of decades...they gradually fade away from your excellence (instead of burning out when at a point you were on fire).

That's it...don't complicate things just so you can win an argument.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Notice how nothing he says is actually refuting our points anymore.

-AC

...Did you even understand the post? Doesn't seem like it. It was tongue in cheek. "Exciter" is one of their worst, latter, shouldn't-have-been-made albums.

I was addressing his ridiculous point of comparing their more recent stuff to that...whereas, they've been fading for a long time now.

Good one!

Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
Even though he had a couple hits in the 90s or whatever...he "faded away" (from the point he will be remembered for and from the level of excellence he had once achieved). Slowly but surely...faded.

Yeah, haha. Oh, Prince, that scoundrel with his "couple" of hits. You've clearly done your homework.

Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
That's what I'm putting forward as criteria for "FADE away".

As in, not maintain his best form forever? Well yes, what's your point? Nobody does. He's not fading away in the way you first suggested and now change.

You have no right to say what people WILL look back on him and say, you don't know.

Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
It doesn't matter how long a band is around...and even if they have the rare radio hit or get nominated/win an oscar for "best song in a movie" (like HAPPY FEET...oh my) over the span of decades...they gradually fade away from your excellence (instead of burning out when at a point you were on fire).

You're assuming that the song he made for Happy Feet is some kind of excellence marker? I'm simply saying he got an award for it, because you refuse to believe he's still popular and relevant.

Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
That's it...don't complicate things just so you can win an argument.

I don't need to. You're chasing your tail and confusing yourself.

Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
"Exciter" is one of their worst, latter, shouldn't-have-been-made albums.

No it's not.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
He's not fading away in the way you first suggested and now change.

...from my second "actual" post...

Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
To put it mildly dude...Prince is history! He is in the long, (and painful) process of fading away. His artistic prowess, contemporary popularity, and relevance that were once frequently chart-rockin' have long since dwindled and are on the downward slope. (Of course the same goes for Bon Jovi).

He's gradually faaaaaading out!

And OBVIOUSLY you're not getting how it relates to "burning out" either. As I just said..."they gradually fade away from their excellence (instead of burning out when at a point they were on fire).

That's what burning out is. You rock 'till you drop.

...my fault I guess for not realizing I'm arguing with someone who doesn't even have the gist of the argument! It's ok...we all make mistakes. As long as we admit them... 😉

Originally posted by The Core
I'm having fun, but it's slightly embarassing at the same time.

Oh yeah...Burn Out or Fade Away?