Originally posted by ExtraMision5555
Not sure what proof entails
untill daredevil himself submits to the glory of wolverinei have no reason to believe otherwise
that very faulty logic. Logan has neevr said DD was betetr then him so that would mean DD is no by your logic. Actually I recall wolverine calling Danny and amature he may have also said the same thing about DD.
Originally posted by MightyEInherjar
Stops at 6.Nick Fury is a hardcore mammajamma, and I think a lot of people forget it. Besides, he's taken out wolverine wit hiz skillzzz!
HoM Wolverine who had 1/100th of the training 616 Wolverine had... and even the Logan was implied to have taken a fall against Fury (Hence the note: I did my part, now do yours).
Originally posted by MightyEInherjar
Stops at 6.Nick Fury is a hardcore mammajamma, and I think a lot of people forget it. Besides, he's taken out wolverine wit hiz skillzzz!
Fair enough. I just remember some scans of A Nick Fury beating down A Wolverine, if it's wrong context, not 616, HoM, (insert mini or alternate universe here), that's my fault.
If not Nick Fury, I say Taskmaster Wolverine stops at Taskmaster Batman. If not him, then Captain America (who I believe is lower in straight "skill" than Batman, even though I believe he'd defeat him) or Iron Fist would take him down.
Originally posted by capt it up
so some one has to summit in order for another character to be better?that very faulty logic. Logan has neevr said DD was betetr then him so that would mean DD is no by your logic. Actually I recall wolverine calling Danny and amature he may have also said the same thing about DD.
Completely warped my statement
anyways
your looking too deeply into my post
like i said, untill logan utterly trashes and annihilates daredevil in clean, well written combat (which will obviously never happen), i have no reason to believe otherwise. IMO, they are close in abilities, and because of that, i dont feel its farfetched to believe so.
Originally posted by ExtraMision5555
Completely warped my statement
anywaysyour looking too deeply into my post
like i said, untill logan utterly trashes and annihilates daredevil in clean, well written combat (which will obviously never happen), i have no reason to believe otherwise. IMO, they are close in abilities, and because of that, i dont feel its farfetched to believe so.
Originally posted by capt it up
here you go
http://img408.imageshack.us/my.php?image=marvelcomicspresents151oo2.jpg
I guess you didnt read my entire post:
Originally posted by ExtraMision5555
like i said, untill logan utterly trashes and annihilates daredevil in clean, well written combat
0/3 criteria filled
Originally posted by capt it up
extra just admitt no mater what I bring to the table you will never agree due to bias.
OF all people
you calling me biased??
I dont agree becuase i dont agree. This is a conclusion i have made on my own.
LOL
Come on cap, its not a big secret that if i were to do the same (show logan loseing a fight) you'de cry PIS
And im not even saying that fight was PIS
Im simply stateing
In context with Daredevil's abilities
That fight was in no way shape or form an even remotely decnet display of Daredevils rawness, not to mention thier were a few variables in that fight (then again, when isint thier)
I have nothing to admit, no hidden treasure trove of Daredevil Bias to the point where im unwilling to admit he is weaker than someone. Why would i? Believe it or not, Daredevils not real cap.
Originally posted by ExtraMision5555
OF all peopleyou calling me biased??
I dont agree becuase i dont agree. This is a conclusion i have made on my own.
LOLCome on cap, its not a big secret that if i were to do the same (show logan loseing a fight) you'de cry PIS
And im not even saying that fight was PIS
Im simply stateing
In context with Daredevil's abilities
That fight was in no way shape or form an even remotely decnet display of Daredevils rawness, not to mention thier were a few variables in that fight (then again, when isint thier)I have nothing to admit, no hidden treasure trove of Daredevil Bias to the point where im unwilling to admit he is weaker than someone. Why would i? Believe it or not, Daredevils not [b] real
cap. [/B]
actaully if DD beat wolverine in a fair match I would not care. There was nothing PIS about this encounter. I only call PIS when Logan goes down to some thing that has never been able to take him down before such as a jabb to the throat.
Whatw as wrong with this fight? you say it did not show DD skill's? How did it now? what it showed was Wolverine and DD in hand 2 hand combat and wolverine won. There was nothing bad about it neither character was shown to due something they normally would not do.
why do I feel it bias of you? becuase your writting of the fact logan has beaten DD in a fair match with out any good reason. Logan is a top tier fighter there really no reason why he should not be more skilled then DD when he has far more experience and training. He the superior fighter. I actaully see the match being a lot close then normal due to the fact Logan does not have a healing factor. If he had a healing factor this fight would go to him pritty much every time due to the fact DD has no way of taking logan down
Originally posted by capt it up
actaully if DD beat wolverine in a fair match I would not care. There was nothing PIS about this encounter. I only call PIS when Logan goes down to some thing that has never been able to take him down before such as a jabb to the throat.Whatw as wrong with this fight? you say it did not show DD skill's? How did it now? what it showed was Wolverine and DD in hand 2 hand combat and wolverine won. There was nothing bad about it neither character was shown to due something they normally would not do.
why do I feel it bias of you? becuase your writting of the fact logan has beaten DD in a fair match with out any good reason. Logan is a top tier fighter there really no reason why he should not be more skilled then DD when he has far more experience and training. He the superior fighter. I actaully see the match being a lot close then normal due to the fact Logan does not have a healing factor. If he had a healing factor this fight would go to him pritty much every time due to the fact DD has no way of taking logan down
I mean, were looking at the same scan. Thiers not much to it, DD throws a punch, and the end result is logan preventing DD from doing anything else. Simple. Plot driven? yes, but im not using that as an excuse. What im saying is, it simply wasnt a good showing for daredevil. Nothing elaborate or complex about that statement. And again, I didnt write it off (as i stated earlier). But did the circumstances of the fight allow for an actual fight to play out? Perhaps. But the author chose not to write it that way.
Heres sort of what im getting at:
If an author set out to write a good/level headed story where the summit would be a faceoff between Daredevil and Wolverine, we would have a fairer example of how a match between them might go (as according to the story, thier would be no restrictions or plot advancement to adhere to, hypotheticly of course)
And ive allready said, Wolverine should definately win that match but my MAIN point is that i dont think it would be becuase of skill. Skill would have something to do with it, but it would be MORESO because of his physiology. Wolverine can DEFINATELY condend with daredevil, plus he has a healing factor and an adamentium frame, as well as claws+excessive martial training. This would determine the fight. Not neccessairily pure martial talent.
To further that point, in My opinion, DD could stalemate captain america. Does anyone agree with that? Its probably an unpopular opinion, but nevertheless becuase of DD's senses and his incredible tacticle nature, if you really really sit down and think about it, its really not as rediculous of a statement as it might sound.
we are incredibly off topic btw, but whatever 🙂
Originally posted by ExtraMision5555
I mean, were looking at the same scan. Thiers not much to it, DD throws a punch, and the end result is logan preventing DD from doing anything else. Simple. Plot driven? yes, but im not using that as an excuse. What im saying is, it simply wasnt a good showing for daredevil. Nothing elaborate or complex about that statement. And again, I didnt write it off (as i stated earlier). But did the circumstances of the fight allow for an actual fight to play out? Perhaps. But the author chose not to write it that way.Heres sort of what im getting at:
If an author set out to write a good/level headed story where the summit would be a faceoff between Daredevil and Wolverine, we would have a fairer example of how a match between them might go (as according to the story, thier would be no restrictions or plot advancement to adhere to, hypotheticly of course)
And ive allready said, Wolverine should definately win that match but my MAIN point is that i dont think it would be becuase of skill. Skill would have something to do with it, but it would be MORESO because of his physiology. Wolverine can DEFINATELY condend with daredevil, plus he has a healing factor and an adamentium frame, as well as claws+excessive martial training. This would determine the fight. Not neccessairily pure martial talent.To further that point, in My opinion, DD could stalemate captain america. Does anyone agree with that? Its probably an unpopular opinion, but nevertheless becuase of DD's senses and his incredible tacticle nature, if you really really sit down and think about it, its really not as rediculous of a statement as it might sound.
we are incredibly off topic btw, but whatever 🙂
Some from what yoru saying comci fight's you do no ecpt as evidence. I pritty sure you ddi not mean to say it olike that, but you did. By your logic no comic fight should be a loud becuase it all plot driven that means comic evidence is useless which then leave us with hand book evidence in which case DD still loses. your logic not working to well. You also assume the plot demanded DD to lose? what the hell. If the plot demand such a thing there would have be a plot device, but there was not plot device it was skill vs skill and Logan came out the superior. You have this wierd notion that the fight would last extremely long that not true most martial art fight don't last very long take bruce lee for example msot fo his fights last like 20 seconds.
If this was wolverine with his powers vs DD how many times do you think DD could win?
Originally posted by ExtraMision5555
I mean, were looking at the same scan. Thiers not much to it, DD throws a punch, and the end result is logan preventing DD from doing anything else. Simple. Plot driven? yes, but im not using that as an excuse. What im saying is, it simply wasnt a good showing for daredevil. Nothing elaborate or complex about that statement. And again, I didnt write it off (as i stated earlier). But did the circumstances of the fight allow for an actual fight to play out? Perhaps. But the author chose not to write it that way.Heres sort of what im getting at:
If an author set out to write a good/level headed story where the summit would be a faceoff between Daredevil and Wolverine, we would have a fairer example of how a match between them might go (as according to the story, thier would be no restrictions or plot advancement to adhere to, hypotheticly of course)
And ive allready said, Wolverine should definately win that match but my MAIN point is that i dont think it would be becuase of skill. Skill would have something to do with it, but it would be MORESO because of his physiology. Wolverine can DEFINATELY condend with daredevil, plus he has a healing factor and an adamentium frame, as well as claws+excessive martial training. This would determine the fight. Not neccessairily pure martial talent.To further that point, in My opinion, DD could stalemate captain america. Does anyone agree with that? Its probably an unpopular opinion, but nevertheless becuase of DD's senses and his incredible tacticle nature, if you really really sit down and think about it, its really not as rediculous of a statement as it might sound.
we are incredibly off topic btw, but whatever 🙂
Some from what you’re saying comic fight's you do no except as evidence. I pretty sure you did not mean to say it alike that, but you did. By your logic no comic fight should be a loud because it all plots driven that means comic evidence is useless which then leave us with hand book evidence in which case DD still loses. Your logic is not working to well. You also assume the plot demanded DD to lose? What the hell. If the plot demand such a thing there would have be a plot device, but there was not plot device it was skill vs. skill and Logan came out the superior. You have this weird notion that the fight would last extremely long that not true most martial art fight don't last very long take Bruce lee for example most of his fights last like 20 seconds.
If this was wolverine with his powers vs. DD how many times do you think DD could win?
Originally posted by capt it up
Some from what you’re saying comic fight's you do no except as evidence. I pretty sure you did not mean to say it alike that, but you did. By your logic no comic fight should be a loud because it all plots driven that means comic evidence is useless which then leave us with hand book evidence in which case DD still loses. Your logic is not working to well. You also assume the plot demanded DD to lose? What the hell. If the plot demand such a thing there would have be a plot device, but there was not plot device it was skill vs. skill and Logan came out the superior. You have this weird notion that the fight would last extremely long that not true most martial art fight don't last very long take Bruce lee for example most of his fights last like 20 seconds.If this was wolverine with his powers vs. DD how many times do you think DD could win?
Ok, im sorry but you keep attacking some hidden logic that im using. At the minimum, try to keep it in perspective becuase your severely misinterpreteing what im saying and pinning me with "faulty logic" that i was never useing in the first place. By my logic im saying no comic fights can be used as evidence? Again, i never said that either
your putting words in my mouth, are we reading the same posts?
LOL
The plot didnt neccessairily demand DD to lose, but withinn the nature of the story it definately made sense. BUT keep in mind, i was NEVER useing that as excuse for DD's loss. I never have (and that goes for almost all instances in comics) and nor do i ever plan to start. I try to avoid the PIS/CIS argument.
With that said
In these forums we dont argue in context with a story, we evaluate each characters abilities and sort of compare them with each other. In a way we are just giving them odds. Do i think in a normal fight, daredevil would win a majority against wolverine? Aboslutely not, and i have NEVER said that. What im saying (and im starting to sound like a recorder) is that Wolverine PRIMARILY <----
Wins becuase he has a much better physiology
Becuae what do we have here
Two of MU's greatest martial artists
One has fight precog
One has Adamentium and most importantly regeneration, and a drasticly better physique
Not that DD's a weakling, but wolverine is quite obviously more durable that DD could ever hope to be. So EVEN, if dd bested wolverine in h2h combat (which is entirely possible BECUASE of his sense and skill working together), he woudl wind up tired becuase anyhting he dishes out, wolverine can easily regenerate from.
as for your question
ide give wolverine 7/10 on DD
Originally posted by ExtraMision5555
Ok, im sorry but you keep attacking some hidden logic that im using. At the minimum, try to keep it in perspective becuase your severely misinterpreteing what im saying and pinning me with "faulty logic" that i was never useing in the first place. By my logic im saying no comic fights can be used as evidence? Again, i never said that eitheryour putting words in my mouth, are we reading the same posts?
LOL
The plot didnt neccessairily demand DD to lose, but withinn the nature of the story it definately made sense. BUT keep in mind, i was NEVER useing that as excuse for DD's loss. I never have (and that goes for almost all instances in comics) and nor do i ever plan to start. I try to avoid the PIS/CIS argument.With that said
In these forums we dont argue in context with a story, we evaluate each characters abilities and sort of compare them with each other. In a way we are just giving them odds. Do i think in a normal fight, daredevil would win a majority against wolverine? Aboslutely not, and i have NEVER said that. What im saying (and im starting to sound like a recorder) is that Wolverine PRIMARILY <----Wins becuase he has a [b]much better physiology
Becuae what do we have hereTwo of MU's greatest martial artists
One has fight precog
One has Adamentium and most importantly regeneration, and a drasticly better physique
Not that DD's a weakling, but wolverine is quite obviously more durable that DD could ever hope to be. So EVEN, if dd bested wolverine in h2h combat (which is entirely possible BECUASE of his sense and skill working together), he woudl wind up tired becuase anyhting he dishes out, wolverine can easily regenerate from.as for your question
ide give wolverine 7/10 on DD [/B]
wanna just agree to disagree becuase this is gunna go on for ever.
can DD out fight Logan is possiable. Logan has sense that work as prog as well and has in my opinion superior fighting skill.
and I really rather not type another huge post lol I got papers to write
