Battle-Ready Superman versus Odin

Originally posted by Magee
Juntai brings up a good point and I like the way he words it. Superman does have the ability to just charge on through in almost any situation, take owaw for example. A minor 2min sundip allowed him to push warworld through a boomtube with its engines, which allow it to travel through space at light speed pushing against him. Also dont forget all star Superman, I mean who is to say Odin could even take a 200quintilion ton punch? How about 1000 200quintilion ton punches a second? Not such a one sided battle especialy with all the amazon weapons he has been given AND AND the godwave...

But Odin created a few planets so he automaticaly beats Superman lol. The fact he is a skyfather does not mean anything to Superman.

Charging into battle will only get Superman killed faster.

So pushing a planet is comparable to creating billions to trillions of stars and planets?

And Odin at base was knocking over planets, and creating new suns.

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/OdinvsForsung2.jpg

Also look at how it stated the universe shook.

Odin has limitless strength and durability, t6aking less than planet shattering punches will be no problem.

Odin 10/10

Originally posted by Soljer
The Godwave? Eh, it varies. If not by writer alone, by wielder for sure.

I've only seen Wonder Woman wield it once, and it wasn't NEARLY as impressive as the Wonder Woman fanboys would lead you to believe.

But, the Godwave has had multiple wielders in the past. It's showings vary quite a bit.

Good man.

The Godwave at best could probably let you stand toe to toe with a low end skyfather, maybe Thanos post-death.

Even with all that equipment, Superman doesn't come close to a higher-end skyfather the likes of Odin.

Originally posted by grey fox
MY marvel bias ?! Hmm let's see.

I go with the character whose mere battles cause GALACTIC DESTRUCTION and i'm labeled a fanboy.

You waltz in and talk some smack about how Dc isn't respected around here (Check the forum , were pretty equal in DC/Marvel love) before going with the character who's best sundipped feat is moving a planet.

Your a joke Batman-prime , your a blatant fanboy which is even worse then X-meat , at least he ACCEPTS what he is. You just hide behind your delusions , but hey who am I to judge ? After all , your the one who's making an ass out of yourself.

If you don't even see how biased you are, then I'm really sorry for you, pal.

I go with the man who was the main reason Imperiex was defeated, the Imperiex who destroys Galaxies as easily as Galactus destroys Planets, the one above Galactus, you know? Probably not.... The Superman who fought, and even won against Darkside, who is beyond Odin BTW. And yes you are as much a fanboy as one can imagine one.

Since I'm on this board I saw only a Marvel bias majority, I guess the other DC fans don't have enough time to check this board as frequently as the Marvel fans.

You know, I don't know you, I won't insult you, I will just respond as friendly as I can. I won't take your insults serious, this wouldn't be worth it, because I'm aware that this is only an Internetforum, where one can stay anonymous, and safe. I'm also aware of the fact that you wouldn't even think about insulting me if we would sit on the same table, debating, it's very simple, you wouldn't even think about it. So, I forgive you. 😎

"So I open my door to my enemies
And I ask could we wipe the slate clean
But they tell me to please go f*ck myself
You know you just can't win"

Originally posted by Juntai
I think he's saying that Supes is somewhat held down on the forum, and he is. In the DC Universe, he's a lot higher on the chain, than Surfer is in his universe. Supes defeats beings far and away stronger than Surfer is. He simply plays in a different league. On the forum, people just figure Surfer blasts him with kryptonite, as if that actually works.

Superman usually thwarts villains far and away more powerful than Surfer, surely.

He doesn't physically beat on them enmasse, however.

And Superman is more key in the DCU, than Surfer is in Marvel.
DC has said that everything spins out of Superman, so thats no surprise.

I'd still put Surfer over Superman in pure power and application, however.

Kryptonite isn't the only way of beating Superman.

And your first response basically boiled down to " Superman wins, because thats what he does....".

At least, to my eyes.

Fair enough in comics, where the glass ceiling is in full effect, but that shouldn't transfer into the battleboards.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
Ok Leao lets get real. Odin encahnted a hammer so that it could stop time on a whim, yet he himself can't stop time?

enchanting something and using such a power in battle are 2 different things my friend.

are you saying that odin's power not only exceeds that of the godwave, but exceeds it by as far as people are saying . . .?

zeus is also supposed to be a high end skyfather, and yet the avengers with an injured thor 'humbled' him by HIS OWN admission. captain marvel (carol danvers) hurt him more than any mortal ever had. thor ALONE resisted zeus 1on1 and while he WAS out-classed, zeus himself said not all the titans together resisted him as thor alone did.

thor can never do well against odin BECAUSE odin enchanted the hammer. imagine for a moment that the hammer was enchanted by zeus instead, now make it not only zeus but ALL asgardians, then give him OTHER uber-weapons on top of that, multiply his strength 1000x and give him a shield that is practically invulnerable to anything -- and that includes up to skyfather level as ww has demonstrated by deflecting zeus's power in the past.

meh, i really can't in all honesty see this as anything but a difficult battle for odin who in all fairness HAS had some lesser showings to go along with some of his great ones . . . 😬

Originally posted by Beta Ray Howard
I'm thinking Magee and Juntai have quite possibly made the dumbest posts that I've ever seen.

I'd like for you two to think for two seconds about this statement:

You're making Nvr look intelligent.

I you can't say something nice, say nothing, please.

Originally posted by Beta Ray Howard
Good man.

The Godwave at best could probably let you stand toe to toe with a low end skyfather, maybe Thanos post-death.

Even with all that equipment, Superman doesn't come close to a higher-end skyfather the likes of Odin.

a low level skyfather would STILL offer a challenge, BRH -- at least he wouldn't be the squashed gnat that so many people said right off-the-bat . . . 😬

i agree -- it all comes down to the godwave and how it is portrayed in the battle.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
If you don't even see how biased you are, then I'm really sorry for you, pal.

I go with the man who was the main reason Imperiex was defeated, the Imperiex who destroys Galaxies as easily as Galactus destroys Planets, the one above Galactus, you know? Probably not.... The Superman who fought, and even won against Darkside, who is beyond Odin BTW. And yes you are as much a fanboy as one can imagine one.

Since I'm on this board I saw only a Marvel bias majority, I guess the other DC fans don't have enough time to check this board as frequently as the Marvel fans.

You know, I don't know you, I won't insult you, I will just respond as friendly as I can. I won't take your insults serious, this wouldn't be worth it, because I'm aware that this is only an Internetforum, where one can stay anonymous, and safe. I'm also aware of the fact that you wouldn't even think about insulting me if we would sit on the same table, debating, it's very simple, you wouldn't even think about it. So, I forgive you. 😎

"So I open my door to my enemies
And I ask could we wipe the slate clean
But they tell me to please go f*ck myself
You know you just can't win"

The fact that you put Imperiex over Galactus, and Darkseid over Odin, tells me that you in fact, aren't Whirly.

Whirly at least had the knowledge of the characters he debates.

And the main reason why Imperiex was defeated, was because of a host of characters.

Steel in the Aegis, Superman lit aflame and Darkseid and Luthor.

And bringing up the fact that Darkseid lost to Superman twice, and then going on to say that the same Darkseid trumps Odin, is what makes your entire post null and void.

Originally posted by leonidas
enchanting something and using such a power in battle are 2 different things my friend.

are you saying that odin's power not only exceeds that of the godwave, but exceeds it by as far as people are saying . . .?

zeus is also supposed to be a high end skyfather, and yet the avengers with an injured thor 'humbled' him by HIS OWN admission. captain marvel (carol danvers) hurt him more than any mortal ever had. thor ALONE resisted zeus 1on1 and while he WAS out-classed, zeus himself said not all the titans together resisted him as thor alone did.

thor can never do well against odin BECAUSE odin enchanted the hammer. imagine for a moment that the hammer was enchanted by zeus instead, now make it not only zeus but ALL asgardians, then give him OTHER uber-weapons on top of that, multiply his strength 1000x and give him a shield that is practically invulnerable to anything -- and that includes up to skyfather level as ww has demonstrated by deflecting zeus's power in the past.

meh, i really can't in all honesty see this as anything but a difficult battle for odin who in all fairness HAS had some lesser showings to go along with some of his great ones . . . 😬

Zeus was always in control in the match and there was never any doubt. Heck in there one on one meeting Zeus was basically owning th Thunder God. Zeus was hurting Thor and thor wa sbasically refusing to fall not unlike the Thanos Odin fight. Thor never stood a chance but at the same time he was simply just staying up.

I would also like to point out that in the Avengers fight thor makes a very big remark about how Zeus can not kill him because it isn't his time. Ampliying that is Zeus wanted to he could if Thor wasn't protected.

And yes eanchanting a Hammer with your own powers mean you would have any power the weapon has simply because it is his power Thor is using.

Finally Odin one-shots other heralds like SS with casual blows. That alone should tell you that if Odin was in the same fight as Zeus then the avengers much like Zeus did towards the end could knock them all out in seconds.

Originally posted by leonidas
a low level skyfather would STILL offer a challenge, BRH -- at least he wouldn't be the squashed gnat that so many people said right off-the-bat . . . 😬

i agree -- it all comes down to the godwave and how it is portrayed in the battle.

Originally posted by leonidas
enchanting something and using such a power in battle are 2 different things my friend.

are you saying that odin's power not only exceeds that of the godwave, but exceeds it by as far as people are saying . . .?

zeus is also supposed to be a high end skyfather, and yet the avengers with an injured thor 'humbled' him by HIS OWN admission. captain marvel (carol danvers) hurt him more than any mortal ever had. thor ALONE resisted zeus 1on1 and while he WAS out-classed, zeus himself said not all the titans together resisted him as thor alone did.

thor can never do well against odin BECAUSE odin enchanted the hammer. imagine for a moment that the hammer was enchanted by zeus instead, now make it not only zeus but ALL asgardians, then give him OTHER uber-weapons on top of that, multiply his strength 1000x and give him a shield that is practically invulnerable to anything -- and that includes up to skyfather level as ww has demonstrated by deflecting zeus's power in the past.

meh, i really can't in all honesty see this as anything but a difficult battle for odin who in all fairness HAS had some lesser showings to go along with some of his great ones . . . 😬

How so? He has the power to control time, even enchanted Thor and Mjolnir to be beyond it. I see no reason why he couldn't stop time if he needed it to be done. At the very least he could grab a rock, enchant it, and then stop time.

Odin's feats exceed those of the god wave, is he more powerful than it? I'm not sure.

I don't fins Zeus to be as powerful as Odin. Zeus low end feats are really horrible, and his best don't compare. I mean where as Zeus was bested by his son, odin simply depowers and banishes his own. However Zeus has still shown to be many times more powerful than herald lv characters.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
How so? He has the power to control time, even enchanted Thor and Mjolnir to be beyond it. I see no reason why he couldn't stop time if he needed it to be done. At the very least he could grab a rock, enchant it, and then stop time.

Odin's feats exceed those of the god wave, is he more powerful than it? I'm not sure.

I don't fins Zeus to be as powerful as Odin. Zeus low end feats are really horrible, and his best don't compare. I mean where as Zeus was bested by his son, odin simply depowers and banishes his own. However Zeus has still shown to be many times more powerful than herald lv characters.

even if he COULD stop time, it's impossible to say the godwave's powers wouldn't protect superman. it comes down to the power of the wave.

i only brought up zeus because he is widely regarded to be equal to odin, though i agree feat-wise he's a far-cry from it.

despite all that, don't lose sight of the fact that we -- you and i and most others -- are arguing degrees of defeat. i've said all along i still think odin would win in the end (unless someone has some convincing feats accomplished by a wielder of the godwave). i've only contended that THIS version of superman is ludicrously upgraded and with the magic weapons and added protection, he is well-suited to this battle and it would NOT be the laugh-out-loud-curbstomp so many initially said it would be.

🙂

Originally posted by Beta Ray Howard
😆

I think that I know Superman with all that equipment still isn't ready to fight a skyfather.

I know plenty. You're still making yourself look like an imbecile.

Originally posted by UniOmni
The fact that you put Imperiex over Galactus, and Darkseid over Odin, tells me that you in fact, aren't Whirly.

Whirly at least had the knowledge of the characters he debates.

And the main reason why Imperiex was defeated, was because of a host of characters.

Steel in the Aegis, Superman lit aflame and Darkseid and Luthor.

And bringing up the fact that Darkseid lost to Superman twice, and then going on to say that the same Darkseid trumps Odin, is what makes your entire post null and void.

I forgot something, Superman and Doomsday beat an small army of Imperiex probes, each Probe is as powerful as a Herald (a pretty obvious heraldripoff, but anyway) with ease. You don't have to accept this feat or the Imperiex defeat, I also said that Superman was the main reason, not the only one, you can ignore those facts but you can't nullify them.

Originally posted by Newjak
To be fair on all that Leo.

Zeus was always in control in the match and there was never any doubt. Heck in there one on one meeting Zeus was basically owning th Thunder God. Zeus was hurting Thor and thor wa sbasically refusing to fall not unlike the Thanos Odin fight. Thor never stood a chance but at the same time he was simply just staying up.

I would also like to point out that in the Avengers fight thor makes a very big remark about how Zeus can not kill him because it isn't his time. Ampliying that is Zeus wanted to he could if Thor wasn't protected.

And yes eanchanting a Hammer with your own powers mean you would have any power the weapon has simply because it is his power Thor is using.

Finally Odin one-shots other heralds like SS with casual blows. That alone should tell you that if Odin was in the same fight as Zeus then the avengers much like Zeus did towards the end could knock them all out in seconds.

the old zeus-wasn't-going-all-out argument, eh? maybe. there is also a scene well after that infamous odin-thanos battle where ss's power totally surprises odin and actually works with it to perform a feat odin alone could not. in that meeting odin did NOT seem to be as far above ss as that one-shot indicated.

different writers, different showings and all that . . . again with the stopping time. not only is it never used, the wave could possibly protect superman from it. he should have stopped time against thanos . . . or seth . . . or mangog . . .

which is why is dislike that argument.

in battle with thor zeus WAS fighting hard to put thor away. THIS superman is FAR FAR FAR above a normal thor.

and it's true that thor was unkillable by hela's decree (funny he couldn't even overcome HER enchantment . . .) but thor was still pretty battered. nevertheless, zeus WAS resisted though as i said before he DID win in the end.

i should HOPE he would win in the end . . . but regardless of how it's couched, it was NOT before they humbled and harmed him and it was NOT without some effort.

again THIS superman is FAAARRRRRR above that basically muscle-bound group. if captain marvel can harm zeus, i see no reason to think the godwave can't harm odin.

True, Superman and DD did rip through Probes like they were plastic....

I do accept the feat of him beating them. I don't however accept the way you implied Superman defeated Imperiex.

It was a joint effort, that wasn't possible alone. And Imperiex showed nothing that trumps Galactus. Nothing.

And i still can't believe you said that Superman defeated Darkseid, and then added that the very same Darkseid who's been chumped by the Kryptonian TWICE, is more powerful than Odin.
Thats laughable, bruh.

Originally posted by leonidas
the old zeus-wasn't-going-all-out argument, eh? maybe. there is also a scene well after that infamous odin-thanos battle where ss's power totally surprises odin and actually works with it to perform a feat odin alone could not. in that meeting odin did NOT seem to be as far above ss as that one-shot indicated.

different writers, different showings and all that . . . again with the stopping time. not only is it never used, the wave could possibly protect superman from it. he should have stopped time against thanos . . . or seth . . . or mangog . . .

which is why is dislike that argument.

in battle with thor zeus WAS fighting hard to put thor away. THIS superman is FAR FAR FAR above a normal thor.

and it's true that thor was unkillable by hela's decree (funny he couldn't even overcome HER enchantment . . .) but thor was still pretty battered. nevertheless, zeus WAS resisted though as i said before he DID win in the end.

i should HOPE he would win in the end . . . but regardless of how it's couched, it was NOT before they humbled and harmed him and it was NOT without some effort.

again THIS superman is FAAARRRRRR above that basically muscle-bound group. if captain marvel can harm zeus, i see no reason to think the godwave can't harm odin.

And yes Zeus was resisted but to what degree we have no clue. He was basically in control of the fight at all times. It's hard to say just how far he was going. I know he was in a rage but if Zeus truely was in the leagues of Odin who is well beyond planet busters I'm sure Zeus could have ended the fight rather quickly. If you want to compare Zeus to Odin.

Also the point is that SS in the only direct confertation with Odi nwas pretty much pimp slapped down. Also thor who is SS's basic equal is low below Odin in power. One showing of helping doesn't account for much especially when looking at a bunch of Odin's solo feats.

As for stopping time he never did it but then again in how many comics do heros show an ability that could have been used any another situation quickly to end a fight.

Although I do agree the fight comes down to just how powerful the Godwave is. I'm some people would like to tell us just what it can do.

Originally posted by UniOmni
True, Superman and DD did rip through Probes like they were plastic....

I do accept the feat of him beating them. I don't however accept the way you implied Superman defeated Imperiex.

It was a joint effort, that wasn't possible alone. And Imperiex showed nothing that trumps Galactus. Nothing.

And i still can't believe you said that Superman defeated Darkseid, and then added that the very same Darkseid who's been chumped by the Kryptonian TWICE, is more powerful than Odin.
Thats laughable, bruh.

Imperiex was feared, he was able to destroy the Universe, it was his purpose to "restart" it, this reminds me of Galactus. They seemed to be equals in this case but Imperiex does his "job" immadietly" (if you compare the two 😉) while Galactus does it bit by bit, or bite by bite, as you wish. This and the fact that Imperiex can create hundreds or thousands Heraldlevel-probes while Galactus doesn't seem to have the energy for that, gives "me" the impression that he is indeed more powerful.

I think that the reason why some Marvel fans think that Superman is only herald level comes from his rippoffs, Gladiator and Hyperion:

"This Rippoffs were created to mock DC BTW, they aren't as powerful as the "Real" Superman. Marvel copied them to show that their heroes are better, which isn't true 😉. Thor beat those rippoffs more then once but was owned by the original Superman.....
Sentry is another Marvel approach, they saw that neither Gladiator nor Hyperion were taken seriously, so they created Sentry and made him almost as powerful as the "real" Superman. I just saw how he humiliated Terrax the Herald and was told that he stalemated Galactus. Now I have to admit that this rippoff is more "realistic" and he seems to be accepted by the Marvelfanboys, why can't they accept a Superman who beats Heralds as easily, or stalemates Galactus or beats Odin? "

Anyway, I'm here to discuss, just for fun and to improve my english, I'm not here to offend someone, if I offended you, please, take my apologies.

Originally posted by Magee
I find it funny you think I care.

Then you wouldn't have posted.

Good day, Superman still loses.

Zeus and Odin, are equals, its simply that Hercules doesn't/didn't have an ongoing series being as Thor is the popular one, therefore we don't get to see anywhere near as much of him.

I have those issues and I always read him saying he had been "humbled" meaning that he was humbled by the heroism of the mortals he was facing.

Captain Marvel as she was called at the time was very powerful, her hurting Zeus was more a testament to her power than to his weakness.

When Herc beat Zeus, Zeus wanted him to win, he didn't make it easy for Herc but Zeus knew that his time was done and it was time to move on.

IIRC Hercules beating Zeus meant he could start a new age of God's with him at their head.

Its been a while since I read that mini, I will have to dig it out, my point being that it would be pretty dumb to write "and the avengers go to Olympus, Zeus blasts them in one panel, comic over"

The underdogs hurting the bigger stronger opponent and making a comeback or refusing to go down is classic story telling after all.

In saying all that I still think this would be a fight, like I said if this was a comic I would buy it, I justn think Odin is coming away on top.