Originally posted by ankur29
IH#620:Korg states thor 'almost' hits as hard as hulk:
Two things wrong with this
1. When Thor first fought them in his FIRST comic he had just become Thor, he had no idea how to use his strength and powers, Considering he was a doctor and learned how powerful he was he didn't just try to kill them, but scare them away.
2.Considering the fact Thor is stronger than Hulk(Thor always holds back while fighting Hulk and Hulk has to work his strength up there he can't really hit less than Hulk.
I'm not trying to diss Hulk or anything or say Thors is the best, but thor is one of those people (Silver Surfer, Strange) who feel bad so they hold back because of banner. If Thor really cut loose on his foes like Hulk he or Korg he can't hold his hammer because he just kills everyone. I'm just stating this, Hulk is still up there close to Thor, but considering Thor can punch hurt destroyer or mangog he would technically have to hit harder.
And there are dozens of things wrong with your statement, and posting of your opinions, as if they were facts... Let's see:
Originally posted by kakuzu
Two things wrong with this1. When Thor first fought them in his FIRST comic he had just become Thor, he had no idea how to use his strength and powers, Considering he was a doctor and learned how powerful he was he didn't just try to kill them, but scare them away.
reply::: Really? You have to LEARN how to use strength? Since when? When you get in a fight with another person, you mean to tell me you'd have to LEARN how to push, pull, flex? Huh? So just how dumb is Thor then? Powers? Sure I can see that. Strength? Unless you're telling me he has the IQ of a prune, I think you'd be better off attempting to rationalize a different aspect of Thor.
Interesting how in the second part of your paragraph, you show a one sided argument: "he didn't just try to kill them, but scare them away."
Uh, have you considered the fact that Hulk does the EXACT same thing? Hulk is constantly just scaring away, or beating up his opponents with no intention of killing.
The same can be said of nearly every single hero - So how is that even an argument? lol
2.Considering the fact Thor is stronger than Hulk(Thor always holds back while fighting Hulk and Hulk has to work his strength up there he can't really hit less than Hulk.
reply::😖ee? Here's where you go wrong again. The "fact?" No, you mean OPINION... If it were a fact, you'd be able to show me definitive smoking gun evidence and proof. But you cannot. Instead, you rationalize.
Rather, we've seen that Thor, without his hammer, tends to get his face beat in by the Hulk. (Or did you skip that issue?) We've also seen a completely calm Hulk match and exceed Thor in strength.
I'm not trying to diss Hulk or anything or say Thors is the best, but thor is one of those people (Silver Surfer, Strange) who feel bad so they hold back because of banner. If Thor really cut loose on his foes like Hulk he or Korg he can't hold his hammer because he just kills everyone. I'm just stating this, Hulk is still up there close to Thor, but considering Thor can punch hurt destroyer or mangog he would technically have to hit harder.
REPLY:::Wrong again, Thor has attempted to kill Hulk before. Hulk on the other-hand (On top of the Mount) kept his wits enough to save Thors life, whilst Thor was completely nuts in rage screaming "I'll kill you!" He was in such a rage, he missed the fact that a nuke was headed straight for him, and Hulk had to save his life.
Again, interesting how you insist Thor always holds back, when we've already seen on panel that Hulk does too - And even when Thor has STATED on panel he was no longer holding back, he still has failed to exceed Hulks strength.
Heck, Thor himself stated that Hulk is "perhaps" the stronger of the two...
Again, I refer you to Thor getting his face smashed in by the Hulk when he fought him without Mjolnir.So thousands of years of combat experience, and he still got his face turned to hamburger by Hulk.
So one of two things happened if Thor is superior in strength as you claim. Either he's the worst fighter in the history of the Universe to get pummeled by a "weaker" enemy with no technique. Or Hulk had a high enough strength advantage to allow him to defeat a more experienced opponent... "Is there no limit to the beasts strength?" Great line from Thor as he was getting pummeled by the stronger Hulk... Sorry, Thor will have to be satisfied with second best.
In Hulk #440, Hulk was just as berserk as Thor. He was also screaming for blood etc. Samson even pointed out that Hulk was angrier than he had ever seen him. He was just able to regain himself in the end unlike Thor who had entered Warrior Madness and only wanted blood.
The rest I don't care enough about to correct.
Originally posted by ankur29
Nothing wrong with that scene. An enraged -current- Hulk being able to hit slightly harder than this Thor is fine. I doubt Korg has felt the full strength of Hulk much less Thor.
IIRC, when one of Korg's brothers enraged Thor, he punched him so hard he exploded. This was around issue #482 I think.
In other words, you're agreeing with me that the statement made by Kakuzu were incorrect. He made the claim that Thor always holds back "because he feels sorry for Bruce."
Your comments posted support my point. He was not holding back. Case closed.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
In Hulk #440, Hulk was just as berserk as Thor. He was also screaming for blood etc. Samson even pointed out that Hulk was angrier than he had ever seen him. He was just able to regain himself in the end unlike Thor who had entered Warrior Madness and only wanted blood.The rest I don't care enough about to correct.
Nothing wrong with that scene. An enraged -current- Hulk being able to hit slightly harder than this Thor is fine. I doubt Korg has felt the full strength of Hulk much less Thor.
IIRC, when one of Korg's brothers enraged Thor, he punched him so hard he exploded. This was around issue #482 I think.
Another thing Kakuzu forgot to mention... Thor was hitting Korg with a magical URU hammer! lol - Yet he still, with a force multiplier in his hands, could only hit "almost" as hard as Hulk.
I think that right there says it all! If you (Talking real world here for a moment) have a sledge hammer and still cannot hit as hard as a mans fists - Just how much strength difference do you think there is between you two? LOL
Originally posted by ctnn1
In other words, you're agreeing with me that the statement made by Kakuzu were incorrect. He made the claim that Thor always holds back "because he feels sorry for Bruce."
Your comments posted support my point. He was not holding back. Case closed.
Originally posted by ctnn1
In other words, you're agreeing with me that the statement made by Kakuzu were incorrect. He made the claim that Thor always holds back "because he feels sorry for Bruce."
Your comments posted support my point. He was not holding back. Case closed.
Depends on what he means by hold back. Power wise, sure, Thor holds back all the time against the Hulk.
Strength wise? I think in fights previous to #440, he did hold back (Thor even outright said so) at least to a point.
It should be noted that in #300, the comic says Thor no longer holds back (Further pointing at Thor restraining his strength even against a Banner less Hulk) and knocks the Banner less Hulk off his feet. He only threw one hit in that state however.
see the funny thing, for every statement of yours there is a counter statement that proves that they are pretty much even in strength. for example, there's the fight where Thor manages to lift up Hulk off the ground despite Hulk trying to pin him (Hulk even shouted "No! Hulk is supposed to be strongest there is!"😉 and then there's the bit where Thor and Hulk stalemated eachother for two straight hours in a test of strengths, with neither of them giving an inch. In both scenarios, it was Thor who was holding back. In 90% of the fights, Thor pretty much starts out by saying how he's holding back, while Hulk is going bashite and trying to smash Thor. it's pretty obvious who's holding back and who isn't. besides, if he wasn't holding back, how come we never see Thor using lightening (the one time we do, he pretty much knocks Hulk out with one shot). In fact, the "turns Thor's face to hamburger" was when Hulk surprised him and a few seconds later, Thor was up on his feet asking the fight to continue.
oh and I recall Thor killing Hulk and Thing with one arm WITHOUT mjolnir 🙂
Originally posted by ctnn1
Another thing Kakuzu forgot to mention... Thor was hitting Korg with a magical URU hammer! lol - Yet he still, with a force multiplier in his hands, could only hit "almost" as hard as Hulk.I think that right there says it all! If you (Talking real world here for a moment) have a sledge hammer and still cannot hit as hard as a mans fists - Just how much strength difference do you think there is between you two? LOL
Force multiplier?
Stop speculating. Mjolnir doesn't even really hit any of the Kronan's in the original fight. He spun it around in a circle and it kept them at bay.
Get real world physics out of here. The gap between Thor's fists and a non amped Mjolnir blow is minimal if there at all. Mjolnir's a pretty shitty melee weapon all things considered.
Yet the debate was never about power. The debate is about strength. Thor seems to get his panties in a bunch that there's a mortal that is stronger than him, and then fights stupidly considering he has plenty of powers to call on that are more useful than his strength when going up against a brute like Hulk.
Heck, the 2001 Hulk/Thor fight proved Hulk was stronger, and Thor more "powerful. (Right out of Thors own mouth) It just surprises me to see Thor fans (Not you, but Kakuzu etc.) ignore the facts and tout their opinions instead.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Depends on what he means by hold back. Power wise, sure, Thor holds back all the time against the Hulk.Strength wise? I think in fights previous to #440, he did hold back (Thor even outright said so) at least to a point.
It should be noted that in #300, the comic says Thor no longer holds back (Further pointing at Thor restraining his strength even against a Banner less Hulk) and knocks the Banner less Hulk off his feet. He only threw one hit in that state however.
Uh: http://s980.photobucket.com/albums/ae289/ankur2292/?action=view¤t=IncredibleHulks620028.jpg
Uh, so you're saying that an enchanted weapon made of a material that is far, far more dense than the bones of a hand, far, far heavier, is not going to add to the power of Thors blows? Ok, I do believe this conversation is over if that's what you believe. Even in comics, certain ground rules apply Rage.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Force multiplier?Stop speculating. Mjolnir doesn't even really hit any of the Kronan's in the original fight. He spun it around in a circle and it kept them at bay.
Get real world physics out of here. The gap between Thor's fists and a non amped Mjolnir blow is minimal if there at all. Mjolnir's a pretty shitty melee weapon all things considered.
