The Respect Thread of the Incredible Hulk

Originally posted by ctnn1
Uh: http://s980.photobucket.com/albums/ae289/ankur2292/?action=view&current=IncredibleHulks620028.jpg

Uh, so you're saying that an enchanted weapon made of a material that is far, far more dense than the bones of a hand, far, far heavier, is not going to add to the power of Thors blows? Ok, I do believe this conversation is over if that's what you believe. Even in comics, certain ground rules apply Rage.

I saw Thor strike one of Korg's brothers and kill him. I did not see Thor strike Korg.

Suspension of disbelief. It's a comic. You don't get to attach real world physics just because it makes your man look better. The difference between a normal punch, and someone swinging is sledge hammer is pretty large in real life. When it comes to Thor and Mjolnir, the difference is no where that big if it's there at all.

Lee wrote the biggest difference between Mjolnir blows and Thor punches on average I'd wager, but it was still nowhere near as large as a normal man/sledgehammer comparison.

Originally posted by BeyondTheGrave [/i]
[B]see the funny thing, for every statement of yours there is a counter statement that proves that they are pretty much even in strength.

So you're taking your opinion over Thors own words that Hulk was the stronger of the two?

for example, there's the fight where Thor manages to lift up Hulk off the ground despite Hulk trying to pin him (Hulk even shouted "No! Hulk is supposed to be strongest there is!"😉

Reply: Uh, you realize that's pretty easy to do if you're a skilled grappler right? Hardly a strength vs strength battle there. It's about positioning and leverage. Something a lot of us HS wrestlers and BJJ guys used to use to show off. (sTUPIDLY, BUT IT WAS FUN BACK IN THE DAY) Not a strength battle at all when you're going up against someone who is trying to use brute strength against superior placement, and leverage.

and then there's the bit where Thor and Hulk stalemated eachother for two straight hours in a test of strengths, with neither of them giving an inch.

reply::: I'll take a page out of Thor fans book: "THat was old Hulk - Classic Hulk!" lol

But in this instance, it's true. Throughout the years, Hulk has been portrayed as stronger and stronger. (Heck, when he first launched, Hulk was portrayed as Frankenstein level strength! lol) Modern depictions of Hulk place him beyond Thor in terms of strength.

In both scenarios, it was Thor who was holding back. In 90% of the fights, Thor pretty much starts out by saying how he's holding back, while Hulk is going bashite and trying to smash Thor.

So because one character verbally states he is holding back, and the other does not, you can draw a conclusion? Interesting! Amazing considering many would claim that Hulk during WWH was going "batshite crazy" as you put it - Yet later we learn that he was holding back the entire time, and could have easily "killed them all."

I'd say that's every bit as solid evidence as you just provided, and proves Hulk too holds back, even when he seems to be going crazy. Heck, his strength is DRIVEN by his anger, so of course he's going to be raging to keep his strength level up. Doesn't mean he's not holding back now does it? Again, I refer you to WWH.

it's pretty obvious who's holding back and who isn't. besides, if he wasn't holding back, how come we never see Thor using lightening (the one time we do, he pretty much knocks Hulk out with one shot).

Happened, but it was poor writing. Hulk has endured far, far, more than that. Excuse? May sound like it, but I refer you to the old sucker punch. A tiny dude can know out a massive dude with a sucker punch - Meaning the person wasn't expecting to get hit.

Thor attacked Hulk with a lightning bolt from above and behind him. Same effect as a sucker punch. Heck, Hulk has withstood Thors' lightning before just fine, and worse.

what do you think would happen if Hulk walked up behind Thor and pounded him on top his head when he wasn't expecting it? Lights out... In that same issue you referenced, Hulk knocked THor unconscious. THor fans always try to argue it, but hey, the writer spoke and verified Thor was indeed out of it - Just for a little while, but he was unconscious.

In fact, the "turns Thor's face to hamburger" was when Hulk surprised him and a few seconds later, Thor was up on his feet asking the fight to continue.

reply:: Wrong issue....

Seriously though, what's with the derailing of a respect thread by the Thor fans?

Yet there is a difference as you just admitted, so my point stands, and I'm left wondering why you bothered arguing at all?

So we have:

Thor:

THousands of years of combat experience

Has a force multiplier

Has a weapon that extends his reach

Has a weapon that he uses to block incoming attacks

Has a weapon that increases his striking speed

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Yet armed with a weapon that does all this for him, he still has difficulty against the Hulk. My point? If the original Kakuzu comment was correct, and Thor was also STRONGER?

Nope... Doesn't add up... It's obvious Hulk has at least one advantage over Thor, and that advantage is his strength.

Again, the stats are simple:

Hulk - stronger

Thor = more powerful

Seems pretty simple to me.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I saw Thor strike one of Korg's brothers and kill him. I did not see Thor strike Korg.

Suspension of disbelief. It's a comic. You don't get to attach real world physics just because it makes your man look better. The difference between a normal punch, and someone swinging is sledge hammer is pretty large in real life. When it comes to Thor and Mjolnir, the difference is no where that big if it's there at all.

Lee wrote the biggest difference between Mjolnir blows and Thor punches on average I'd wager, but it was still nowhere near as large as a normal man/sledgehammer comparison.

Wondering if someone can help me out. I'm looking for an older issue where (It's been at least 7 - 8 years since I read this one) where there was a large "wheel" within a room - Not the wheel of time, but called something similar if memory serves.

Anyhow, THor was in the room, along with many others, and they were stuck in the room UNTIL Hulk walked in, and it was stated on panel that HULK was the only hope of moving the wheel so they could escape. (aND HE DID)

Just another example of Hulk being shown as stronger than Thor, but I need to find the issue or scans if anyone knows which issue this was in? Much appreciated.

Are you talking about the Heroes Reborn Universe?

Originally posted by ctnn1
Yet there is a difference as you just admitted, so my point stands, and I'm left wondering why you bothered arguing at all?

😐 You were trying to push a real man/sledgehammer analogy as if the difference is large. You're also arguing that Korg was struck with Mjolnir. The difference is minimal at best, and we have no idea in what manner Thor attacked Korg.

Originally posted by ctnn1
So we have:

Thor:

THousands of years of combat experience

Has a force multiplier

Has a weapon that extends his reach

Has a weapon that he uses to block incoming attacks

Has a weapon that increases his striking speed

----------------

Yet armed with a weapon that does all this for him, he still has difficulty against the Hulk. My point? If the original Kakuzu comment was correct, and Thor was also STRONGER?

Nope... Doesn't add up... It's obvious Hulk has at least one advantage over Thor, and that advantage is his strength.

Again, the stats are simple:

Hulk - stronger

Thor = more powerful

Seems pretty simple to me.

😂

In all of their fights, it's made clear time and again that it's strength vs. strength. Do you not understand that Mjolnir is considered nothing more than a substitue for Thor's fist most of the time?

Thor doesn't use his combat experience, speed, agility or versatility against Hulk. He fights him like a brick. That way it's almost entirely a contest of strength.

😐 You were trying to push a real man/sledgehammer analogy as if the difference is large. You're also arguing that Korg was struck with Mjolnir. The difference is minimal at best, and we have no idea in what manner Thor attacked Korg.

REPLY::: Actually I "pushed" nothing, and I made no claims that it was the "same" - I merely made an analogy to illustrate that a weapon adds a distinct advantage. Which it does.

Now you on the other hand are making quite the claim. You claim "the difference is minimal at best." Proof please? Where are we told on panel about the difference? If this exists, I'd really like to see it.

Or we can just assume you're correct, and that the difference is "minimal." Either way, my point still stands, it DOES make a difference, and it DOES provide an advantage.

Often, it's the little advantages that make the difference between losing and winning.

😂

reply::: In all of their fights, it's made clear time and again that it's strength vs. strength. Do you not understand that Mjolnir is considered nothing more than a substitue for Thor's fist most of the time?

REPLY:: Huh? You must be grasping at straws here.

Thor doesn't use his combat experience, speed, agility or versatility against Hulk. He fights him like a brick. That way it's almost entirely a contest of strength. [/B][/QUOTE]

And? THor fights him like a brick, but please show me the difference in skill on panel of when Thor fights Hulk, vs other opponent H2H?

Does he punch? Does he counter? Does he kick, or duck, or throw?

What??? He DOES!!??? Then please tell me what evidence you have to back your statement that he "does not use his experience, agility, etc." in a battle with the Hulk?

Sure sounds like one heck of an assumption on your part! I mean, I never knew there was a graph showing how much speed, agility, and EXPERIENCE was being drawn upon during comic book fights.

I do believe I'll chalk this particular statement of yours up to "personal opinion" and leave it at that!

come on guys , this is spamming up the thread

Has the stuff that Beta originally posted on page 1 been reposted in this thread?

And if not, are there plans for this thread to be remade?

^ I'm working on a Revamped Hulk Respect Thread. Have got 1500+ scans set with 1000+ of them being his fights. Realistically, I'm hoping next two months it'll be posted.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ I'm working on a Revamped Hulk Respect Thread. Have got 1500+ scans set with 1000+ of them being his fights. Realistically, I'm hoping next two months it'll be posted.

👆

Your revamps are among the most awesome threads around here, Hulk is so much of a focus for many fans that he should have a better one.

Dark Reign ,list:Hulk

osborn says banner is probably the 4th smartest person in the world:

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ I'm working on a Revamped Hulk Respect Thread. Have got 1500+ scans set with 1000+ of them being his fights. Realistically, I'm hoping next two months it'll be posted.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ I'm working on a Revamped Hulk Respect Thread. Have got 1500+ scans set with 1000+ of them being his fights. Realistically, I'm hoping next two months it'll be posted.

Awesome 🙂 Make sure to include the scan where The Mandarin states Hulk's reflexes are without equal.

The exchanges of blows of hulk and skaar, causes an outburst of the tide

Originally posted by super Morocco
The exchanges of blows of hulk and skaar, causes an outburst of the tide

Whereas thor and destroyer are less strong

Telepathic Resistance

Hulk resists has the enormous lightning of Zeus !!!
The lightning reaches a heat of 30.000°C,5x the heat of the sun. That of zeus seems larger ...

was hulk even angry at all here? jw

yes, Just a little ...

New avengers, an army of one:
-Damage soak, toughness shown as Hulk fights off the masses (x men, new avengers, young avengers,atlas,FF)
-Speed as he catches up to some guys in iron man type armour
-bullets bounce of his skin too... adamantium tipped neutralisers used in the end
-Thor & Herc are impressed by hulk:

...continued...