Originally posted by SoulDevourer
"make a universe" ? MJJ could only alter existing reality not create stuff ex nihilo (that was his weakness)ok let me put it this way : 1+1=3 doesn't sound like much (what is it after all, just an odd equation using an ASCII keyboard)
but now imagine the CONSEQUENCES of this - that's when things start to get messy ^__^now Beyonder erased Death (but then is it a concept or just a high-level sentient being ? ie. did people stop dying when he did this ?)
and even IF Death was a concept & he erased it then yes it is impressive - but unfortunately that was retconned"SMP" ???
You said Marvel reality warpers, I was telling you people in Marvel can make a universe where the laws they want are made or broken. Jaspers can alter the universe to his whim.
Get it?
Yes, people stopped dying when he erased Death. Anyone who is stronger than Death can erase her, therefore Jaspers could do the same thing, get it?
Superman Prime.
Originally posted by SoulDevourer
if MJJ really was god in his reality then the fight with Fury wouldn't have lasted a fraction of the time it did (unless Fury was also god-level, this is possible but I'm still not sure...)besides MJJ couldn't even prevent himself from being teleported out of his own reality (and into unreality)
Originally posted by Mindsetyeah I got it but I was saying that there seems to be a limit as to how much these reality warpers can warp an existing universe which they're already in. IMO they can't rewrite logic itself for example. get it ?
You said Marvel reality warpers, I was telling you people in Marvel can make a universe where the laws they want are made or broken. Jaspers can alter the universe to his whim.Get it?
making universes is another thing entirely but MJJ can't pull that off anyway so that's another debate. this is about reality warping not creating things out of nothing ("power of creation" or whatever. what kinda mutant in the marvel verse have been shown to be able to create a universe anyway ???)
Yes, people stopped dying when he erased Death. Anyone who is stronger than Death can erase her, therefore Jaspers could do the same thing, get it?if MJJ could erase Death then he would've done so while he was still in his reality so that he couldn't get killed when teleported to unreality by Fury (unless he felt suicidal maybe, since he was supposed to be "mad" . but I'm assuming he tried everything within his abilities to avoid losing during the fight)
Originally posted by SoulDevourer
yeah I got it but I was saying that there seems to be a limit as to how much these reality warpers can warp an existing universe which they're already in. IMO they can't rewrite logic itself for example. get it ?making universes is another thing entirely but MJJ can't pull that off anyway so that's another debate. this is about reality warping not creating things out of nothing ("power of creation" or whatever. what kinda mutant in the marvel verse have been shown to be able to create a universe anyway ???)
if MJJ could erase Death then he would've done so while he was still in his reality so that he couldn't get killed when teleported to unreality by Fury (unless he felt suicidal maybe, since he was supposed to be "mad" . but I'm assuming he tried everything within his abilities to avoid losing during the fight)
If you can alter the universe and the concepts of that universe anyway you want, you can alter logic. So no, I don't get what you're saying.
MJJ can alter anything as long as he has something to alter, which was why he was powerless in unspace. Franklin Richards has created a universe.
There was no death in unspace, so how would he destroy her? Have you read the story or are you just going off of things you've heard?
Originally posted by Mindsethey the question is simple really : was MJJ shown to alter the most fundamental concepts of reality ?
If you can alter the universe and the concepts of that universe anyway you want, you can alter logic. So no, I don't get what you're saying.
There was no death in unspace, so how would he destroy her? Have you read the story or are you just going off of things you've heard?no death in unspace ? how was he killed then ?
Originally posted by SoulDevourer
hey the question is simple really : was MJJ shown to alter the most fundamental concepts of reality ?
in other words can he do what mxy did ? (rewrite maths. maths is the basics of everything u know time space gravity biology pizza etc.)
for example 2+2=3, can he cause that ?no death in unspace ? how was he killed then ?
I'm going by mv canon, at least I'm rilly rilly sure I am, states that Death & the rest are multiversal (thus only ONE Death for the whole mv verse). you seem to imply that there's a different Death for each universe (we are talking about marvel erse right ??? for example the one where LT convenes with Death Eternity & Oblivion in a 16 dimension space & extracts a planet out of Eternity or something)
Originally posted by xJLxKingthanx
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mad_Jim_Jaspers just read it. It not official source but you know
golly he looks infinitely more powerful in that link than he did in his fight with the Fury robot
so this means I was right Fury is also a cosmic-level being since he could resist MJJ 😎
Originally posted by SoulDevourer
hey the question is simple really : was MJJ shown to alter the most fundamental concepts of reality ?
in other words can he do what mxy did ? (rewrite maths. maths is the basics of everything u know time space gravity biology cooking etc.)
for example 2+2=3, can he cause that ?no death in unspace ? how was he killed then ?
I'm going by mv canon, at least I'm rilly rilly sure I am, states that Death & the rest are multiversal (thus only ONE Death for the whole mv verse). you seem to imply that there's a different Death for each universe (we are talking about marvel erse right ??? for example the one where LT convenes with Death Eternity & Oblivion in a 16 dimension space & extracts a planet out of Eternity or something)
If he can alter anything in the universe he's in then there's no reason why he couldn't alter logic, he can alter the fundamental building blocks of reality. He remade an entire universe, but he can't change logic? No he never changed logic, but there is no reason why he couldn't, Living Tribunal has never done it either, does it mean he couldn't?
Some concepts have universal aspects, Eternity for example, but if there is only one Death for the entire omniverse then that makes even more sense why Jaspers was able to die. Before he was taken to unspace he pretty much knew Fury had no way of killing him, there was no reason for him to erase Death.