Originally posted by xmeat
when did ac have the ability to mess with peoples head.
Please read up on AM.
You'll realize that not only is he extremely powerful, he is also overlooked and underestimated quite a bit. The main reason is that he is in the JLA, which means that his team-mates are either stronger, faster, more invulnerable, smarter, better fighters, have better TP, etc.
However look at it this way:
Strength: He lifted a city block.
Speed: He has blitzed people with guns before they could react
Senses: He has heightened senses (because of the dark environments under the sea, and in one account it enabled him to see in near darkness)
Resilience: While not superman, the pressures of the deep have imbued him with some resilience
Telepathy: Strong TP that can affect anything with a marine heritage (eg humans, since we evolved from aquatic life, and apparently even some Alien species)
Fighting ability: Not only a good fighter but a very ruthless one
Technology: Some of the tech (kind of falls also into tech-magic) in Atlantis is pretty good
Magic: With his magic hand he can do a whole lot of things. Ranging from healing mutations all the way to worldwide Gehenna if he unleashes the 'Hunger' by using the Hand for bad purposes.
That is just a smattering of what AM can do (check out one of his respect threads to see the full story, plus scans, of Aquaman doing his thing).
Bottom line is ....Aquaman only APPEARS weak because his teammates are stronger (eg WW), faster (eg Flash), more invulnerable (eg Superman), better TP (eg MM). HOWEVER, Aquaman is no joke. He can wipe the floor with many characters, and one of those characters is Black Panther.
Now ....BP has a great mind (I consider him Marvel's Batman) and he can come up with some plan if given time and opportunity to prepare. Thus Black Panther CAN defeat Aquaman if certain stipulations are given.
However the way you made the thread you simply asked if BP can defeat AM. You did not stipulate prep time, what amount of prep time, and so forth.
Thus it is basically a blood-lusted fight between Panther and Aquaman.
The result of such a fight is a 10/10 win for Aquaman, with BlackPanther (or Batman, or any such character) being left a broken eviscerated mass of human pulp!
10/10 for Aquaman under those conditions.
Originally posted by SpunkySmurphThe thought that you own a llama, in itself, is somewhat disturbing. dodgy
Oh, ok.Then in that case: 😎
I was gonna say "llama", but I own a llama and the thought was disturbing. ermm
Originally posted by MetalmanxBesides a large one sided prep advantage, BP stands no chance. Even then iffy. ermm
TOTALLY depends. What's the prep situation like?
Originally posted by Symmetric ChaosStill... armies of Atlantean warriors who can spar with Aquaman apparently... and magic... lots of powerful sorcerers... and Aquaman himself. And the fishies of course.
I see.BP has an army of his own and quite a bit of good tech too.
Then again I'm referring to before the Spectre did a number on them and the shit hit the fan. So meh.
Originally posted by xmeat
didn't batman fight AC.
I do not know of Batman ever fighting AquaMan, but even if he did it still doesn't change anything.
The only way BlackPanther (or Batman for that matter) can win against Aquaman is if BP (BM) is given prep time and opportunity to come up with some stratagem ....eg, maybe placing a nuclear device in the general area and then putting some sort of psi-dampener (this is comics) to ensure that AM isn't able to read minds and know what is going on.
In a one-to-one physical fight, KMC style (i.e. no jobbing, bloodlusted, out for victory) then one thing is simple .....there is no way a human (even 'peak' humans like Panther and Bats, whatever 'peak' means) are going to win against someone like Aquaman.
AM is faster, stronger, more resilient, better perception, has magic, and has top tier telepathy.
A physical match without prep for BP is spite (although on the other hand, giving BP a lot of prep time while AM sits there waiting to be whooped is also spite .....thus it is hard to put AM against BP with BP having no prep, and it is also hard to put AM against BP with BP having prep).
The interesting thing would be if BOTH had prep time, although even then ALL my money would be on Aquaman.
Wakandan technology is the bomb, but AM also has comparable tech (Atlantean, although I'd say Wakandan is better) BUT his Atlantean resources are also augmented by ....yep ....sorcery.
In essence, Aquaman is simply beyond Black Panther (and Batman) in a KMC style match.
The only way he would lose is if prep time was given to Panther (Batman) while none is given to Aquaman ....in essence, a free punch while AM is standing there like some sucker.
A normal fight between the two = BlackPanther (Batman) bloodied, beaten and dead.
Originally posted by spetznaz
I do not know of Batman ever fighting AquaMan, but even if he did it still doesn't change anything.The only way BlackPanther (or Batman for that matter) can win against Aquaman is if BP (BM) is given prep time and opportunity to come up with some stratagem ....eg, maybe placing a nuclear device in the general area and then putting some sort of psi-dampener (this is comics) to ensure that AM isn't able to read minds and know what is going on.
In a one-to-one physical fight, KMC style (i.e. no jobbing, bloodlusted, out for victory) then one thing is simple .....there is no way a human (even 'peak' humans like Panther and Bats, whatever 'peak' means) are going to win against someone like Aquaman.
AM is faster, stronger, more resilient, better perception, has magic, and has top tier telepathy.
A physical match without prep for BP is spite (although on the other hand, giving BP a lot of prep time while AM sits there waiting to be whooped is also spite .....thus it is hard to put AM against BP with BP having no prep, and it is also hard to put AM against BP with BP having prep).
The interesting thing would be if BOTH had prep time, although even then ALL my money would be on Aquaman.
Wakandan technology is the bomb, but AM also has comparable tech (Atlantean, although I'd say Wakandan is better) BUT his Atlantean resources are also augmented by ....yep ....sorcery.In essence, Aquaman is simply beyond Black Panther (and Batman) in a KMC style match.
The only way he would lose is if prep time was given to Panther (Batman) while none is given to Aquaman ....in essence, a free punch while AM is standing there like some sucker.A normal fight between the two = BlackPanther (Batman) bloodied, beaten and dead.
Agree'd,
But I do have a question or two, I don't know much about aquaman so maybe you can enlighten me.
How fast is AM!!? would you put him above or below namor, same with durability, anywhere around namors level?
Also, how powerful is his telepathy!!? I ask because the Panther god gives T'challa a superhuman resistance to telepathic attacks, (cable couldn't even read his mind).
But yeah, I agree, Aquaman has BP outclassed in every way, Only way I can see BP getting any wins is with Prep, or depending how fast Aquaman is.
Originally posted by spetznazIn a one-to-one physical fight, KMC style (i.e. no jobbing, bloodlusted, out for victory) then one thing is simple .....there is no way a human (even 'peak' humans like Panther and Bats, whatever 'peak' means) are going to win against someone like Aquaman.
Yeah the only thing is BP isnt peak human anymore hes superhuman.
Originally posted by ApolloknightWhich version of Cable? Reading minds is different to psiblasts, many people with resistances to telepathy can fight against mind control and mind reading, but are still fried by a psiblast. And Aquaman's variant of telepathic attack further still seems different to psibolts and be based more in the physical than the esoteric.
Also, how powerful is his telepathy!!? I ask because the Panther god gives T'challa a superhuman resistance to telepathic attacks, (cable couldn't even read his mind).
Giving a white Martian a seizure is one of his often brought up telepathic feats for reference.
Originally posted by Apolloknight
Oh yeah forgot about that, Hudlin gave him an upgrade.Edit: I however do not know the extent, I dont think I would put him past blade level.
To be quite honest with you all this peak human/superhuman business is confusing.
Cap is said to be peak human but if you just look at his strength level he is superhuman (lifting 1100lbs with ease).
Nightcrawler is supposed to be an Olympic class acrobat ie does not have superhuman reflexes. Bull****.
DD is supposed to be an Olympic level athelete. Part of his reflexes come from his senses , but having Olympic level reflexes does not able you to bat bullets because your reflexes would not be fast enough for you to do this even if you knew the bullet was coming.
The whole classification system is ****ed.
To be quite honest with you all this peak human/superhuman business is confusing.Cap is said to be peak human but if you just look at his strength level he is superhuman (lifting 1100lbs with ease).
Nightcrawler is supposed to be an Olympic class acrobat ie does not have superhuman reflexes. Bull****.
DD is supposed to be an Olympic level athelete. Part of his reflexes come from his senses , but having Olympic level reflexes does not able you to bat bullets because your reflexes would not be fast enough for you to do this even if you knew the bullet was coming.
The whole classification system is ****ed.
IMO your viewing it to much in realistic terms, view them as fictional humans or anime humans.
Even Hawkeye who is a regular human has a bow that even Olympic Athletes strong guys struggle with his arrows.
To Punisher taking tranquilizers and not being put down and killing Crocodiles on there turf without no weapons IIRC.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Yeah the only thing is BP isnt peak human anymore hes superhuman.
Batman is also supposed to be 'peak human' (and in his case there is no Wakandan herb like T'Challa nor some Super Soldier Formula like Cap), yet MANY of his feats are CLEARLY superhuman (eg evading a sniper's bullet by FEELING the over-pressure caused by the supersonic bullet travelling through air, kicking a mature tree in two, breaking free from being chained to a chimney by ripping the bloody chimney off etc etc etc).
Actually, to be honest, Batman has more 'super human' feats than Cap America and B.Panther combined.
Or take Batgirl ......
Furthermore, even if you state that BP is 'superhuman,' what is that compared to someone that can lift a city block and throw off mind attacks that can cripple TRUE super people.
Thus the distinction of BP being peak vs super human is actually pure semantics.
It is like debating on whether a Porsche Carrera is faster than a Lamborghini Murcielago ......yet the cars are competing in a cross-country race against a Tupolev Tu-144!
Now, the Porsche may or may not be faster than the Lambo, but the fact remains neither vehicle is going to win against the Tu.
Same thing here ....Panther may be Peak or may be Super human (although the way so-called Peak humans are written they may as well be metahuman .....many of the things Nightwing does on a weekly basis are technically beyond human, and Captain America's serum DEFINITELY did not make him peak human).
Anyways, T'Challa may or may not be peak/super, but his abilities simply do not compare to those of Aquaman.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Which version of Cable? Reading minds is different to psiblasts, many people with resistances to telepathy can fight against mind control and mind reading, but are still fried by a psiblast. And Aquaman's variant of telepathic attack further still seems different to psibolts and be based more in the physical than the esoteric.Giving a white Martian a seizure is one of his often brought up telepathic feats for reference.
I see what you saying, Reading someones mind and a Psiblast are two different things. Yeah cable didnt try to attack panther or nothing, he was just having a hard time detecting him.
Point taken.