Who is the slowest person that can tag Spiderman?

Originally posted by srankmissingnin

Spider-man can only contort his body so much and the disparity in speed between himself and, lets say Captain America, isn't so great. If Spider-man is concentrating on evasion he can avoid a melee confrontation with most street levels, (which more to do with his his maneuverability and strength then anything else) but if he is mounting any sort of offence, he is going to get hit. Maybe he can avoid three or four in every five punches Captain America throws at him but at the end of the day he is going to get hit and it doesn't matter whether he wants to get hit or not.

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this is essentially how i feel about spidermans spider-sense
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Originally posted by srankmissingnin
You need to ask your self, which is the plot device: getting hit by the Vulture or dancing around the Rhino? On the one hand constantly dodging Vulture doesn't make for a good story and on the other Rhino one shoting Spider-man makes for an even worse one. Spider-man's speed is somewhere between the two... which is where characters like Captain American, Daredevil and Wolverine are combat speed wise.

At the start of his career - and for a long time after - Spider-man was getting hit by everyone from the Enforcers to Molten Man... even Rhino was hitting Spider-man in their first fight. Spider-man's ability to dance around bricks only came later out of nescesity after people started realising that a single punch form a brick would result in Spider-man spending the rest of his days a pine box under six feet of earth... and that is the very definition of a plot device.

Spider-man can only contort his body so much and the disparity in speed between himself and, lets say Captain America, isn't so great. If Spider-man is concentrating on evasion he can avoid a melee confrontation with most street levels, (which more to do with his his maneuverability and strength then anything else) but if he is mounting any sort of offence, he is going to get hit. Maybe he can avoid three or four in every five punches Captain America throws at him but at the end of the day he is going to get hit and it doesn't matter whether he wants to get hit or not.

good post, I agree with much of it. and in my hypo, Spiderman is also attacking, not just dodging.

Originally posted by masterbruce
Do you think Cyclops can tag Spiderman with precision blasts?

Not before Spidey takes Cyke out. Eventually yes, if all he's doing is dodging. But not in a fight setting.

Spread-blast is obviously different.

Slowest person that can tag Spiderman? Me.

Spiderman! Can I shake your hand?! Tag! You're it!

Originally posted by boriquaking55
Black Panther
Captain America
Taskmaster
Sabertooth
Omega Red
Venom?

none of these guys I would call slow - but I don't think any of them have superspeed or anything (not sure about OR & venom)

Well, Omega Red chased after Maverick's speeding sports car on foot and they where unable to out distance him until he was hit with a rocket. So, Omega Red is pretty fast... and Sabretooth is supposed to be physically superior to Arkady.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Hrm.

Well, among his rogues, I'd say maybe Doc Ock or Venom (or other symbiote). Most of his other villians either need to rely on spread fire (Electro/Shocker/any of the Goblins/etc.) or a plot device. But those two are pretty consistently able to hit Pete.

I really don't remember seeing a "normal human" hit him without a plot device or good reason....pretty much ever, really. I'd love to hear some examples if they're out there, but I'm guessing nearly all of them have a valid excuse.

Wolverine honestly can't lay too many hits on him. Spidey would dodge the vast majority. The reason that's an issue is because basically 1 hit kills in Logan's case. But he's not going to be landing nearly as many hits as nearly any of Spidey's villians.

Sounds right to me.

Originally posted by boriquaking55
Black Panther
Captain America
Taskmaster
Sabertooth
Omega Red
Venom?

none of these guys I would call slow - but I don't think any of them have superspeed or anything (not sure about OR & venom)

I can agree with this list as well. And of course, there are more as well, but this is a good start.

black widow
g.w. bridge
collossus
xavier
mojo mojo
ozymandius
mary jane
allison blaire

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Not before Spidey takes Cyke out. Eventually yes, if all he's doing is dodging. But not in a fight setting.

Spread-blast is obviously different.

I don't agree with that. Spider-man's primary evasion tactic is to get airborne... and I fail to see how that is even remotely a good idea against someone with Cyclops' level of accuracy. Spider-man's speed means less then nothing when he is in the air, he is at the mercy of gravity and their is absolutly nothing he can do to avoid an optic blast aimed at center mass... unless you think his webbing travels faster then Cyclops can think and his optic blasts can travel. Cyc doesn't need a wide area blast to pick off an airborne Spider-man... and we all know where Spider-man speeds the majority of his time.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I don't agree with that. Spider-man's primary evasion tactic is to get airborne... and I fail to see how that is even remotely a good idea against someone with Cyclops' level of accuracy. Spider-man's speed means less then nothing when he is in the air, he is at the mercy of gravity and their is absolutly nothing he can do to avoid an optic blast aimed at center mass... unless you think his webbing travels faster then Cyclops can think and his optic blasts can travel. Cyc doesn't need a wide area blast to pick off an airborne Spider-man... and we all know where Spider-man speeds the majority of his time.

excellent point, I didn't think of how vulnerable Spidey would be once he is in mid-air.

Digi, care to provide a response to that?

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Spider-man's ability to dance around bricks only came out of nescesity after people started realising that a single punch form a brick would result in Spider-man spending the rest of his days a pine box under six feet of earth... and that is the very definition of a plot device.

If his spider sense warns him in town he can web back down or maybe even to the left or something.

I can see batman, Daredevil, gambit,Knightwing, and captain america all hitting spiderman. Black panther and deathstroke as well.

Daredevil, Bullseye could hit spidey but only if spidey couldn't hit Bullseye back, Captain America, Black Panther, not sure about Bats.

Eh, street levelers probably could be able to hit him in normal conditions, but all-out, no holds-barred Spider-Man? Going to take someone who is his equal to speed, when he is going all-out, it's his instinct that takes course. His body actually acts before he thinks.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Eh, street levelers probably could be able to hit him in normal conditions, but all-out, no holds-barred Spider-Man? Going to take someone who is his equal to speed, when he is going all-out, it's his instinct that takes course. His body actually acts before he thinks.

All-out, no holds-barred Spider-Man couldn't avoid the Hulk... even when the Hulk was less then enthusiastic about actually fighting him. 😈

There is only one all-out Spider-Man fight against Hulk that I can actually recall, the one where he keeps punching him so much that his hands go all bloody and so on...and Hulk wasn't laying any hands there.

Which fight are you referring to?

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
There is only one all-out Spider-Man fight against Hulk that I can actually recall, the one where he keeps punching him so much that his hands go all bloody and so on...and Hulk wasn't laying any hands there.

Which fight are you referring to?

Same one. It happens before the fight migrates to the train tracks. Spider-man is hoping all around Hulk and the green goliath just snaches him out of the air effortlessly.

Yeah, 'cause at that point, he was faaaar from going all-out. Still making jokes and all.

AFTER that he saw the headline about Mary Jane's death (Hulk threw him on top of newspaper) and went all batshit insane.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Yeah, 'cause at that point, he was faaaar from going all-out. Still making jokes and all.

AFTER that he saw the headline about Mary Jane's death (Hulk threw him on top of newspaper) and went all batshit insane.

Oh, I was going from memory. I thought the whole reason he fought Hulk in the first place was that he thought he killed MJ in a plan crash.

He was blaming him of another plane crash, he wasn't blaming him of the MJ one.