Originally posted by Newjak
I get ya but your wrong.For one thing Hulk has shatter with a punch something twice the size of Earth and his pnch has knocked Earth off its orbit. Hulk is alot stronger than just a mountain lifter.
Secondly Superman should never get hit by half the peopel who don't really possess Superspeed but he does.
THe Flash should never get tagged by anyone but they do why because they are described as holding back. So yeah Thor doesn't just BFR half of the Avnegers enemies becuase he holds back more than people think.
For one thing Hulk has shatter with a punch something twice the size of Earth and his pnch has knocked Earth off its orbit. Hulk is alot stronger than just a mountain lifter.
So does Hulk hold back also?
I mean if his punches can shatter a planet...then anyone he punches should be dead...no ifs, buts, about it
people who have taken Hulk's punches:
Spiderman
Captain America
Iron Man
Wolverine
Thing
etc, etc
so these people can withstand a planetshattering force? ( i know, you're going to say that the planet shattering punch was the high point of Hulk's strength and he usually doesn't punch that hard...fine, assuming his usual punches are 10 times weaker, no better yet 100 times weaker, it should still EASILY kill any of the above people)
Originally posted by masterbruceWell its because Hulk's rage is equal to how much strength he has so he isn't always at those levels of strength.
For one thing Hulk has shatter with a punch something twice the size of Earth and his pnch has knocked Earth off its orbit. Hulk is alot stronger than just a mountain lifter.So does Hulk hold back also?
I mean if his punches can shatter a planet...then anyone he punches should be dead...no ifs, buts, about it
people who have taken Hulk's punches:
Spiderman
Captain America
Iron Man
Wolverine
Thing
etc, etcso these people can withstand a planetshattering force? ( i know, you're going to say that the planet shattering punch was the high point of Hulk's strength and he usually doesn't punch that hard...fine, assuming his usual punches are 10 times weaker, no better yet 100 times weaker, it should still EASILY kill any of the above people)
So everybody on that list survived more than likely because they weren't facing a Hulk that wasn't that strong 😛
Originally posted by Newjak
Well its because Hulk's rage is equal to how much strength he has so he isn't always at those levels of strength.So everybody on that list survived more than likely because they weren't facing a Hulk that wasn't that strong 😛
you know what, this is Marvel's fault
In reality, Thor may be as strong as you say and he should be off fighting Midgard serpents
he should not be a member of Avengers fighting enemies who are in actually thousands of times weaker than him
Originally posted by masterbruceIn reality he is as strong as I say and has enough feats to say so.
you know what, this is Marvel's faultIn reality, Thor may be as strong as you say and he should be off fighting Midgard serpents
he should not be a member of Avengers fighting enemies who are in actually thousands of times weaker than him
Its teh samethign with DC and Superman when he can't simply restrain someone obviously weaker then him. 😛
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Basicly.As time passes writers want to make impressive feats for characters and start ignoring what thier original limitation were supposed to be. [cough]PreCrisisSuperman[/cough]
I don't mind making characters impressive, but just make them consistent
If Thor can destroy planets...he should pretty much deal with every earth villain with a flick of his finger
Marvel shouldn't have a guy who can crush an object of 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000s of tons one day to struggle against a guy who is barely in the 100 ton class.
Originally posted by Galan007Yes but Hulk didn't need a wall to be there he just punched into then air 😛
Has Hulk ever torn through it in such a degree, that it literally messed up the time-stream and caused retcons? ❌Plus, combine that kind of power with all of SBP's other abilities, and you get a being too powerful for his own good. 😛
You see that is my problem with SBP's retcon punch. I don't think he could have done it without that wall there and the fact that he literally didn't retcon punch anything else proves just that😬
Originally posted by NewjakHe never tried to punch through reality besides that one time.......... So who knows? srug
Yes but Hulk didn't need a wall to be there he just punched into then air 😛You see that is my problem with SBP's retcon punch. I don't think he could have done it without that wall there and the fact that he literally didn't retcon punch anything else proves just that😬
Originally posted by Galan007I do because he honestly was only able to perform that one feat because there was a kind of mystical/magical/deminsional(whatever you want to call it) in front of him. The fact is besides that one instance he never sh wed any kind of reality warping power at all before or after
He never tried to punch through reality besides that one time.......... So who knows? srug
I think I'm more than justified in saying NO SBP does not have any reality warping powers of his own 😬
Originally posted by masterbruce
I don't mind making characters impressive, but just make them consistentIf Thor can destroy planets...he should pretty much deal with every earth villain with a flick of his finger
Marvel shouldn't have a guy who can crush an object of 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000s of tons one day to struggle against a guy who is barely in the 100 ton class.
Which is exactly the problem. There's nothing wrong with making powerful characters but when you then have to make them experience forgotten limitations or ignore feats just to make a scene work it starts to seem ridiculous.
Originally posted by NewjakThe fact that he was the only being capable of this sepaks for itself.
I do because he honestly was only able to perform that one feat because there was a kind of mystical/magical/deminsional(whatever you want to call it) in front of him. The fact is besides that one instance he never sh wed any kind of reality warping power at all before or afterI think I'm more than justified in saying NO SBP does not have any reality warping powers of his own 😬
And again, that was the only instance where SBP tried to punch through reality, so of course he didn't demonstrate this kind of ability a second time.
Originally posted by Symmetric ChaosEvery major top-tier character goes through this.
Which is exactly the problem. There's nothing wrong with making powerful characters but when you then have to make them experience forgotten limitations or ignore feats just to make a scene work it starts to seem ridiculous.
Everytime one of the JLA solos the rest of the team this happens. No one herald should ever solo the JLA by themselves yet everytime a member goes bad it happens. 😬
Originally posted by grey fox
He lifted the Midgard Serpent who weighs exactly the same amount as Earth.
THat serpent didn't look as big as the earth. Do you know what would happen to the earth if something the same weight as it were to actually come in contact with it? the earth would be destroyed. It would collapse.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
THat serpent didn't look as big as the earth. Do you know what would happen to the earth if something the same weight as it were to actually come in contact with it? the earth would be destroyed. It would collapse.
to be fair, the laws of physics of reality don't apply in comics
Originally posted by Galan007Correction he was the only being there to try it. No one knows if Superman could do the same with his fists or any strong character. Without the wall what would he hit to cause the Retcons. How come everytime he hit someone he doesn't simly retco ntheir entire past. Ho come he didn't use his Reality punches to change the red sun into a yellow sun.
The fact that he was the only being capable of this sepaks for itself.And again, that was the only instance where SBP tried to punch through reality, so of course he didn't demonstrate this kind of ability a second time.
I would also like to point out SBP escaping the Speedforce didn't cause any retcons.
The FACT is that without that wall there SBP has never shown ANY REALITY WARPING PWOERS at all. So if anyone does one thing now its a perfect match they can do it all the time. Seems very iffy to me and for someone who normally needs much more evidence for something then this you sure are taking it as cold hard fact 😛
Originally posted by Newjak
Every major top-tier character goes through this.Everytime one of the JLA solos the rest of the team this happens. No one herald should ever solo the JLA by themselves yet everytime a member goes bad it happens. 😬
This is why I like manga (fewer returning enemies [and the one that do come back are shown to have gained power if they pose a threat])
Their are advantages to having a single author control the continuity.
