Superboy Prime vs. WM Thor w/PG

Originally posted by masterbruce
to be fair, the laws of physics of reality don't apply in comics

TO be fair, they operate on some basic principles, and if someone is going to just say the serpent weighed as much as the earth, when no where on panel did it ever say that, then I am going to say why the serpent could not have weighed as much as the earth. hell the serpent wasn't any where near the mass of the earth. at best it was only as large as the equator in it's length and it's mass wasn't that great. From the effects it was having on the earth, I would say it weighed less than the moon since the moon getting just a little bit close to the earth would cause more dmg.

Originally posted by Newjak
How come everytime he hit someone he doesn't simly retco ntheir entire past.

perhaps, the same reason that everytime Hulk punches a streetleveler they don't die or everytime Thor fights an avengers villain he struggles...

😛

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
TO be fair, they operate on some basic principles, and if someone is going to just say the serpent weighed as much as the earth, when no where on panel did it ever say that, then I am going to say why the serpent could not have weighed as much as the earth. hell the serpent wasn't any where near the mass of the earth. at best it was only as large as the equator in it's length and it's mass wasn't that great.

How do you know it wasn't incredibly dense?

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
How do you know it wasn't incredibly dense?

his point isn't that it isnt dense. Hes saying if it were the mass of earth, then its gravitional field would've destroyed the very planet Thor was standing on to lift it.

Originally posted by Newjak
Correction he was the only being there to try it. No one knows if Superman could do the same with his fists or any strong character. Without the wall what would he hit to cause the Retcons. How come everytime he hit someone he doesn't simly retco ntheir entire past. Ho come he didn't use his Reality punches to change the red sun into a yellow sun.

I would also like to point out SBP escaping the Speedforce didn't cause any retcons.

The FACT is that without that wall there SBP has never shown ANY REALITY WARPING PWOERS at all. So if anyone does one thing now its a perfect match they can do it all the time. Seems very iffy to me and for someone who normally needs much more evidence for something then this you sure are taking it as cold hard fact 😛

I seem to remember in one of the side books, sbp punched one of the titans with no retcon wall and caused a retcon of that person.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I seem to remember in one of the side books, sbp punched one of the titans with no retcon wall and caused a retcon of that person.

Originally posted by masterbruce
his point isn't that it isnt dense. Hes saying if it were the mass of earth, then its gravitional field would've destroyed the very planet Thor was standing on to lift it.

I'm aware of what would happen in a world controled by physical laws and not comicbook writers.

Where do we get the idea that the Serpent was the weight of a planet?

Originally posted by masterbruce
perhaps, the same reason that everytime Hulk punches a streetleveler they don't die or everytime Thor fights an avengers villain he struggles...

😛

Now if Thor only has only lifting feat where he had to use a machine to help him would you say Thor really has Planet moving strength no you wouldn't.

Same principle here without the Wall SBP hasn't shown any reality warping powers so no one can really say that it wasn't simply the wall being effected that caused all that instead of SBP.

Originally posted by Newjak
Really can you point how who and wha was retconed

I don't remember exactly. It was one of the titans. I think it was garth, the changling guy. Im almost sure of it. He got punched and was instantly retconned into another version of himself.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I don't remember exactly. It was one of the titans. I think it was garth, the changling guy. Im almost sure of it. He got punched and was instantly retconned into another version of himself.

Originally posted by Newjak
So he hits a guy and his costmed changed?

NO, he changed into an alternate version of himself. Superboy prime has used the retcon punch more than once, im almost postive of it and without the crystal wall thing.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
NO, he changed into an alternate version of himself. Superboy prime has used the retcon punch more than once, im almost postive of it and without the crystal wall thing.

And by the way I would like to point out that simply changing someone's appearance way different then what happened at the crstal wall.

If anything this only shows that the wall either was the sole source or was the only focale point SBP could have done that big a feat. Basically eitehr way SBP needed the cyrstal.

That is once again going back to my Thor remark. Thor is naturally strong say he lifts a mountain well he has the power right then he needs a machine to help him move a planet it doesn't mean Thor can move planets all the time he has to have that machine to help him.

SBP's machine was the Crystal wall.

Originally posted by Newjak
That is once again going back to my Thor remark. Thor is naturally strong say he lifts a mountain well he has the power right then he needs a machine to help him move a planet it doesn't mean Thor can move planets all the time he has to have that machine to help him.

I would like to know your argument for Thor here.

How do you think he can win?

Thor never lifted the Midgard Serpent (he pulled it with help from a the boat he standing on in space) and Hercules never held the planet on his back.

Originally posted by Galan007
SBP doesn't need tech to move planets.

I would like to know your argument for Thor here.

How do you think he can win?

Either way the point is is A can lift a car but needs a machine to help amplify his power to move a planet therefore A doesn't possess planet moving power.

The point I was trying to make is that for SBP his planet moving machine would be like the crystal. There is no way he could have done it without the Crystal Wall as there is no proof to say he defenlty could without anmd no matter how much you try there is no proof SBP could have done anything close to what he did at that wall. 😛

Originally posted by dvampire
Thor never lifted the Midgard Serpent (he pulled it with help from a the boat he standing on in space) and Hercules never held the planet on his back.

Edit and Thor only used the Boat to gain Leverage in space he even comments to the giant on board that he is only using his strength

Originally posted by Newjak
You obviously didn't get eh whole concept. And I'm not saying Thor wins maybe I should have used hypotheical A nstead of Thor's name. I'm mostly trying cut the overhypng of some of SBP's feats.

Either way the point is is A can lift a car but needs a machine to help amplify his power to move a planet therefore A doesn't possess planet moving power.

The point I was trying to make is that for SBP his planet moving machine would be like the crystal. There is no way he could have done it without the Crystal Wall as there is no proof to say he defenlty could without anmd no matter how much you try there is no proof SBP could have done anything close to what he did at that wall. 😛

Originally posted by Galan007
So your Thor post was basically an analogy for SBP's retcon punch?

Originally posted by Newjak
Yes I only used Thor's name because it was the first to come to mind 😛

Originally posted by Newjak
Yes Hercules did shown on panel when he was redescribing his Labors 😉

Edit and Thor only used the Boat to gain Leverage in space he even comments to the giant on board that he is only using his strength

He didn't show it, he bragged about. Thor was pulling it though, not lifting it. I have to find the scan though, to make sure.