elektra vs mystique

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph

Agility? Meh. If theres is a difference, at all, then its damn close.

No. It isn't. Not nearly. When has Elektra displayed half the agility Mystique has?

Climbing up a tree? Doing a few backflips?

Mystique was speedblitzing the army and flipping around like a jackrabbit.

She could also slide around the floor like she was made of liquid.

Mystique is by far more agile.

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
At the end of the movie, fighting the hand leader, she knew exactly where he'd be when he attmepted to speedblitz her again.

Yeah. We clearly see her concentrate to use her pre-cog. Not to mention the idiot was right in front of her.

Mystique will simply slap away her attempts of an attack (she's far stronger; if Elektra had her sais I would give her the advantage but Elektra never displayed much HTH combat like Mystique did) climb on to her like a mantis and snap her neck.

She can take much more damage than Elektra can. She's much stronger. And her reaction time is likely as faster since she dodged bullet-fire by dancing around it. Literally. And she had time to flip the bird.

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
And she didn't have to concentrate to pinpoint her enemies movements and chuck her sai through all those hedges...

Yes, she did.

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Did we watch the same movie. Elektra paused. Elektra concentrated. Elektra had her pre-cog moment. Elektra threw the sai.

Now how exactly is Elektra even going to damage Mystique again? Seeing as she's far more durable?

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
in addition, she seemed to have reached another level of skill with her ninja abilities at the end of the movie. Hence predicting the Hand leader's movements and ressurecting Abby.

Which is speculation. What skills? What can she do besides giving life to the dead? Unless Elektra II came out without my knowing...?

Originally posted by Draco69
Same thing was seen in countless movies....

Like Batman.

He can't teleport....

It's just a typical "woooo! I'm behind you now! Haha!" scene seen in so many action movies.

Either way Mystique didnt display any heightened senses to show that shed know where Elektra would be. Advantage goes to Elektra there.

Originally posted by Draco69
Pretty much. So is Elektra's sneaky tactics here as well. It's a brawl. Anywhere Elektra tries to run to, Mystique is gonna get there first. She can walk on walls like Spider-Man.

She's not gonna be hard to see wearing that bright, red costume of hers.

Mystique on the other hand can blend into shadows.

How is it that Elektras sneaky tactics dont exists here? Her weapons arent allowed here. Mystique on the other hand "sneaky tactics" was due to her morphing. Another advantage to Elektra here.

It doesnt matter if shes moving fater than Mystiques eye can see.

When did Mystique blend into the shadows?

Originally posted by Draco69
In X2. During the campfire scene. Or rather the extended scene.

What part. Who did she see in the dark? And what heightened senses did she display? At the campfire deleted scene with Nightcrawler?

Mystique went from being the Statue of Liberty behind the X-Men to being Wolverine in front of them. Guess she can teleport too. 😊

Mystique morphs Wolverine's claws and stabs Elektra. doped

Originally posted by jrodslam
Either way Mystique didnt display any heightened senses to show that shed know where Elektra would be. Advantage goes to Elektra there.

Yes. She did. During the campfire scene.

Advantage to Elektra how? What? Mystique is gonna let a woman wearing a BRIGHT RED costume run off and play hide and seek in the arena?

Mystique would be more difficult to find since her skin is dark anyway.

Which isn't the point since this is a brawl. HTH.

Mystique won't LET Elektra hide with her ninja crap.

Originally posted by jrodslam
How is it that Elektras sneaky tactics dont exists here? Her weapons arent allowed here. Mystique on the other hand "sneaky tactics" was due to her morphing. Another advantage to Elektra here.

It's a BRAWL. A FIGHT. Kung fu action. Tekken style. Etc.

WHAT advantage? I merely stated that Mystique was far more adept at stealth at Elektra.

Which doesn't MATTER. It's a fight to the death. Mystique won't let Elektra run away nor will Elektra be able to.

Especially in that naughty riding hood outfit....

Both "advantages" are completely useless in this fight.

Originally posted by jrodslam
It doesnt matter if shes moving fater than Mystiques eye can see.

Mystique clearly demostrated more speed and agility than Elektra. Who had trouble with tablecloth....

Forget stealth. Elektra simply can't beat Mystique in hand to hand combat.

Elektra didn't display ANY HTH combat worthy of mention in comparision to Mystique.

😬

She's stronger.

Faster.

More agile.

More durable.

And she's incredibly limber.

Elektra is screwed unless she has her sais....

^^

The statue of Liberty scene was a few scences before to double Wolvie scene.

Secondly, shes not allowed to morph in this fight.🙁

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Mystique went from being the Statue of Liberty behind the X-Men to being Wolverine in front of them. Guess she can teleport too. 😊

Batman can too. He was teleporting all over the place in Batman Begins.

😱

Originally posted by jrodslam
^^

The statue of Liberty scene was a few scences before to double Wolvie scene.

And she didn't have to concentrate to pinpoint her enemies movements and chuck her sai through all those hedges... in addition, she seemed to have reached another level of skill with her ninja abilities at the end of the movie. Hence predicting the Hand leader's movements and ressurecting Abby.

Wrong my friend, she stood there for a good 5-10 seconds, with her eyes closed, before she threw that sai.

Agreed with Draco, any impressionable "h2h" was done with some sort of weapon.

elektra has to close her eyes to see in the future of whats gonna happen next. mystique takes her out easy while her eyes are shut.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Mystique went from being the Statue of Liberty behind the X-Men to being Wolverine in front of them. Guess she can teleport too. 😊

Mystique morphs Wolverine's claws and stabs Elektra. doped

Originally posted by Draco69
No. It isn't. Not nearly. When has Elektra displayed half the agility Mystique has?

Climbing up a tree? Doing a few backflips?

Mystique was speedblitzing the army and flipping around like a jackrabbit.

She could also slide around the floor like she was made of liquid.

Mystique is by far more agile.

Managing to give somebody the finger or slide on a floor is not agility there, Draco. Mystique had style, but she was also fighting kill-with-a-pillow soldiers who didn't manage to do jack at any one point.

And managing to not get shot, is, unfortunatley, NOT a 'speedblitz', lest our standards here on KMC have really fallen that far.

Originally posted by Draco69
Yeah. We clearly see her concentrate to use her pre-cog. Not to mention the idiot was right in front of her.

And we don't see any concentration. We see him attempt to taunt her, him close in for the kill, and her completley and easily anticipate his move.

Originally posted by Draco69
Mystique will simply slap away her attempts of an attack (she's far stronger; if Elektra had her sais I would give her the advantage but Elektra never displayed much HTH combat like Mystique did) climb on to her like a mantis and snap her neck.

Originally posted by Draco69
She can take much more damage than Elektra can. She's much stronger. And her reaction time is likely as faster since she dodged bullet-fire by dancing around it. Literally. And she had time to flip the bird.

Originally posted by Draco69
Yes, she did.

😬

Did we watch the same movie. Elektra paused. Elektra concentrated. Elektra had her pre-cog moment. Elektra threw the sai.

There was a pause, that lasted about half a second. It took a while because the camera had to do its effects to show the obvious, but it was clearly a much faster motion then any move Mystique can make, so she'll still know whats happening.

Originally posted by Draco69
Now how exactly is Elektra even going to damage Mystique again? Seeing as she's far more durable?

Originally posted by Draco69
Which is speculation. What skills? What can she do besides giving life to the dead? Unless Elektra II came out without my knowing...?

I agree with Soljer. ermm

Originally posted by spidey-dude
read at the begining of the tread. no shape shifting or weapons.

Mystique still wins.

Originally posted by Draco69
Yes. She did. During the campfire scene.

Advantage to Elektra how? What? Mystique is gonna let a woman wearing a BRIGHT RED costume run off and play hide and seek in the arena?

Mystique would be more difficult to find since her skin is dark anyway.

Which isn't the point since this is a brawl. HTH.

Mystique won't LET Elektra hide with her ninja crap.

Like ive already asked. What part in the campfire scene? Deleted scene when shes with Nightcrawler? What did she do?

Advantage due to Elektras ninja skills. Mystique gonna let? How is she gonna stop it? Unless Mystique showed to see things faster than the human eye. Which was never displayed. Elektra was the onhe who displayed heightened senses. Not Mystique.

Elektra doesnt have to actually see Mystique. Shed sense her. Just like she sensed the hand group in the forest and the hand ninjas by her neighbors house.

Originally posted by Draco69
It's a BRAWL. A FIGHT. Kung fu action. Tekken style. Etc.

WHAT advantage? I merely stated that Mystique was far more adept at stealth at Elektra.

Which doesn't MATTER. It's a fight to the death. Mystique won't let Elektra run away nor will Elektra be able to.

Especially in that naughty riding hood outfit....

Both "advantages" are completely useless in this fight.

It doesnt matter if shes moving fater than Mystiques eye can see.

Forget stealth. Elektra simply can't beat Mystique in hand to hand combat.

Elektra didn't display ANY HTH combat worthy of mention in comparision to Mystique.

You mention Mysatique was far more adept at stealth than Elektra. That ONLY due to her morphing. Thats it. Other than that, shes no better than you or me.

Why does it not matter if Elektra is moving faster than Mystiques eye can see? She wouldnt even see the hits coming. How does that not matter?

How is Mystique gonna beat Elektra in h2h if shes moving faster than Mystiques eye can see? Each attempted swing would be a miss.

Mystique did display more h2h combat feats than Elektra. I mentioned that already, but you cant hit cant you cant follow.

Originally posted by Draco69
She's stronger.

Faster.

More agile.

More durable.

And she's incredibly limber.

Elektra is screwed unless she has her sais....

If you cant hit your opponent, or see where they are at, none of those physical traits matter. If Elektra did have the sais or her other throwing weapons, it would be too lopsided.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
I agree with Soljer. ermm

Hmm. Xmarks agrees with Soljer. How original. 😊

I'd agree with you if you were right. But you're not. 😊

When did Elektra show any sort of superspeed? At all.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
I'd agree with you if you were right. But you're not. 😊

When did Elektra show any sort of superspeed? At all.

There was also the other sense besides the one i mentioned where she girls next door was in her house and she tried to escape Elektra was already at the entrance. Abby then said something like..."How'd you?..."

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
I'd agree with you if you were right. But you're not. 😊

When did Elektra show any sort of superspeed? At all.

Originally posted by jrodslam
There was also the other sense besides the one i mentioned where she girls next door was in her house and she tried to escape Elektra was already at the entrance. Abby then said something like..."How'd you?..."

Mystique has that too, except she got past Wolverine, while Elektra got past a Hand ninja.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
I'd agree with you if you were right. But you're not. 😊

When did Elektra show any sort of superspeed? At all.

<Insert sexual insinuation about Soljer and xmarks here> 😊 (I'm too lazy ermmnone )

She showed it when she was able to move before the Hand could see her, when she was able to keep up with the Leader's movements, (who could move faster then the eyes could see), when she pulled her "teleporting" acts, etc.

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
<Insert sexual insinuation about Soljer and xmarks here> 😊 (I'm too lazy ermmnone )

She showed it when she was able to move before the Hand could see her, when she was able to keep up with the Leader's movements, (who could move faster then the eyes could see), when she pulled her "teleporting" acts, etc.