elektra vs mystique

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Again other than doing her "Peekaboo" things, when did she "on-panel" show any superspeed, at all?

Mystique has that too, except she got past Wolverine, while Elektra got past a Hand ninja.

That was "on-panel". Abby saw her turned to run, and Elektra was right at the exit behind her. It was a "Flash" moment. She did that about 4 times during the movie. ON-Panel.

Mystique didnt do that. She was still and Wolvie and everyone else walked past her. She then went around and we saw her a few scenes later. Huge difference.

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
Managing to give somebody the finger or slide on a floor is not agility there, Draco. Mystique had style, but she was also fighting kill-with-a-pillow soldiers who didn't manage to do jack at any one point.

It's an agility feat. That's what counts. And a skill feat.

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
And managing to not get shot, is, unfortunatley, NOT a 'speedblitz', lest our standards here on KMC have really fallen that far.

True. But she was moving a hell of alot faster than Elektra did in the movie.

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
The idiot who could move faster then the eye could register? Who had, earlier in the movie, been slapping her around like a little b*tch?

And he would've won too if he went for the kill and didn't boast....

He had her completely at his mercy. Elektra won via luck.

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
And we don't see any concentration. We see him attempt to taunt her, him close in for the kill, and her completley and easily anticipate his move.

Wrong. That wasn't pre-cog. Pre-cog means she actually saw the future.

She ANTICPATED his movement. She managed to grab her sai in time and make the dumbass run right into her sai.

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
When did Mystique demonstrate this supposed great strength?

You mean besides tossing around Wolverine like a ragdoll and using a steel gate as battering ram? Besides punching through pipes and overpowering Wolverine numerous times? Besides tossing grown men around as if they were toys?

😐

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
Elektra was plowwing through sandbags.

Pfft. Please. She was CUTTING through the sandbags. With her sais. They were boxing bags for heaven's sake.

QUOTE=8378413]Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
While running, she lifted Abby up a flight of stairs with one arm. Elektra showed she was an athlete. [/QUOTE]

Woo. She lifted a fourteen-year old girl up to the balcony. Big whoop.

Mystique was lifting and throwing grown men around easily.

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
Hell, all Mystique did was flip off somebody who couldn't shoot the wide side of a barn even if somebody competent aimed the gun for him.

She took out a entire sentry of highly trained soldiers that managed to take down the entire X-Mansion.

Elektra was clearly baffled with floating tableclothes....

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
There was a pause, that lasted about half a second. It took a while because the camera had to do its effects to show the obvious, but it was clearly a much faster motion then any move Mystique can make, so she'll still know whats happening.

Um. No. She twirled her sais around. Closed her eyes. Concentrated then located Abbey. Then she threw the sai.

Mystique won't allow that to happen.

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
Precog came naturally to her. She easily predicted the Hand leader's moves, when before all she could do was get smacked around and call it a day. At the end, she had mastered her precog and didnt break a sweat. Or concenctrate. 😉

Easily? Pfffft. She was getting her ass kicked. She won by LUCK. Not pre-cog. She anticipated his attack.

She never displayed ANY pre-cog during the fight.

And you STILL haven't shown ANY HTH skills that Elektra could use against Mystique.

ALL the feats above were with her sais....

😐

Originally posted by jrodslam
That was "on-panel". Abby saw her turned to run, and Elektra was right at the exit behind her. It was a "Flash" moment. She did that about 4 times during the movie. ON-Panel.

It was a theatrical effect. She wasn't teleporting. For heaven's sake...

😬

Originally posted by jrodslam
That was "on-panel". Abby saw her turned to run, and Elektra was right at the exit behind her. It was a "Flash" moment. She did that about 4 times during the movie. ON-Panel.

Mystique didnt do that. She was still and Wolvie and everyone else walked past her. She then went around and we saw her a few scenes later. Huge difference.

It doesn't mean either had superspeed or could teleport. 😬

Originally posted by jrodslam
There was also the other sense besides the one i mentioned where she girls next door was in her house and she tried to escape Elektra was already at the entrance. Abby then said something like..."How'd you?..."

Batman did the same damn thing in his movies. He doesn't have superspeed or teleportation in his movies.

😐

Originally posted by Draco69
Elektra was clearly baffled with floating tableclothes....

Originally posted by Draco69
Batman did the same damn thing in his movies. He doesn't have superspeed or teleportation in his movies.

😐

Bah! Batman never did that in any of his movies. Someone would be looking at him then turn their backs. When they turned back around Bats would be gone.

Elektra would be looking at someone then when they turned around, shed already be on the other side looking at them again.

Those are 2 different things.

Originally posted by Draco69
It's an agility feat. That's what counts. And a skill feat.

True. But she was moving a hell of alot faster than Elektra did in the movie.

And he would've won too if he went for the kill and didn't boast....

He had her completely at his mercy. Elektra won via luck.

Wrong. That wasn't pre-cog. Pre-cog means she actually saw the future.

She ANTICPATED his movement. She managed to grab her sai in time and make the dumbass run right into her sai.

You mean besides tossing around Wolverine like a ragdoll and using a steel gate as battering ram? Besides punching through pipes and overpowering Wolverine numerous times? Besides tossing grown men around as if they were toys?

😐

Pfft. Please. She was CUTTING through the sandbags. With her sais. They were boxing bags for heaven's sake.

QUOTE=8378413]Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
[B]While running, she lifted Abby up a flight of stairs with one arm. Elektra showed she was an athlete.

Woo. She lifted a fourteen-year old girl up to the balcony. Big whoop.

Mystique was lifting and throwing grown men around easily.

She took out a entire sentry of highly trained soldiers that managed to take down the entire X-Mansion.

Elektra was clearly baffled with floating tableclothes....

Um. No. She twirled her sais around. Closed her eyes. Concentrated then located Abbey. Then she threw the sai.

Mystique won't allow that to happen.

Easily? Pfffft. She was getting her ass kicked. She won by LUCK. Not pre-cog. She anticipated his attack.

She never displayed ANY pre-cog during the fight.

And you STILL haven't shown ANY HTH skills that Elektra could use against Mystique.

ALL the feats above were with her sais....

😐 [/B][/QUOTE] she couldnt see a damn thing with the clothes in her face.

mystique was hot in X3 right after the guy shot her with the needle to take away her powers 😄

Originally posted by jrodslam

Advantage due to Elektras ninja skills. Mystique gonna let? How is she gonna stop it?

Again...

How is STEALTH going to help Elektra in this fight?

You're not making any sense....

Originally posted by jrodslam
Unless Mystique showed to see things faster than the human eye.

Elektra never displayed superspeed nor teleporation. You're making baseless claims based on theatrical effects seen in countless action movies.

Like BATMAN....

Originally posted by jrodslam
Elektra doesnt have to actually see Mystique. Shed sense her. Just like she sensed the hand group in the forest and the hand ninjas by her neighbors house.

Sense her? How the f*ck is this gonna help her?

Elektra: I sense she is right in front of me...

Mystique: No sh*t....

😆

Originally posted by jrodslam
You mention Mysatique was far more adept at stealth than Elektra. That ONLY due to her morphing. Thats it. Other than that, shes no better than you or me.

And her espionage skills. And her mimcry. Which is again useless in this fight. Elektra won't be using stealth nor will Mystique.

You're making these ridiculous claims that Elektra in her bright red outfit will somehow hide in a corner while Mystique just watches her run off.

You're assuming it's dark. You're assuming that Elektra will have any place to hide.

It's just baseless...

Originally posted by jrodslam
Why does it not matter if Elektra is moving faster than Mystiques eye can see? She wouldnt even see the hits coming. How does that not matter?

She never displayed superspeed. You're making this up....

I can pull up Youtube videos if you want. Elektra is clearly moving at human speed that's no faster than Batman or Aragon...

Originally posted by jrodslam
How is Mystique gonna beat Elektra in h2h if shes moving faster than Mystiques eye can see? Each attempted swing would be a miss.

See above...

Originally posted by jrodslam
Mystique did display more h2h combat feats than Elektra. I mentioned that already, but you cant hit cant you cant follow.

See above...

Jesus Christ....

Originally posted by jrodslam
If you cant hit your opponent, or see where they are at, none of those physical traits matter. If Elektra did have the sais or her other throwing weapons, it would be too lopsided.

Elektra. does. not. have. superspeed.

Mystique on the other hand was clearly faster....

Originally posted by Draco69
Again...

How is STEALTH going to help Elektra in this fight?

You're not making any sense....

Elektra never displayed superspeed nor teleporation. You're making baseless claims based on theatrical effects seen in countless action movies.

Like BATMAN....

Sense her? How the f*ck is this gonna help her?

Elektra: I sense she is right in front of me...

Mystique: No sh*t....

😆

And her espionage skills. And her mimcry. Which is again useless in this fight. Elektra won't be using stealth nor will Mystique.

You're making these ridiculous claims that Elektra in her bright red outfit will somehow hide in a corner while Mystique just watches her run off.

You're assuming it's dark. You're assuming that Elektra will have any place to hide.

It's just baseless...

She never displayed superspeed. You're making this up....

I can pull up Youtube videos if you want. Elektra is clearly moving at human speed that's no faster than Batman or Aragon...

See above...

See above...

Jesus Christ....

Elektra. does. not. have. superspeed.

Mystique on the other hand was clearly faster....

Originally posted by jrodslam
Bah! Batman never did that in any of his movies. Someone would be looking at him then turn their backs. When they turned back around Bats would be gone.

Elektra would be looking at someone then when they turned around, shed already be on the other side looking at them again.

Those are 2 different things.

No. They're not.

Both whatshernameIdon'tcare and Gordan never turned away. They merely took their eyes of Batman for a second than Batman was COMPLETELY out of sight.

Elektra on the other hand had Abbey turn and run away. Or be distracted by something else.

It's exactly the same thing.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
😂

Elektra's amazing superspeed and fighting skills:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1wJpPMIqZc

Why people are defending this crappy ass depiction of a great character is beyond me...

Originally posted by Draco69
Elektra's amazing superspeed and fighting skills:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1wJpPMIqZc

Why people are defending this crappy ass depiction of a great character is beyond me...

Here is the fight between Elektra and whatshisnameIdon'tcare:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUZl5sy5jlc&mode=related&search=

It also shows she never used pre-cog but rather anticipation.

Here we see Elektra's "superior" strength against the almighty sandbags:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IA8pfGOb550

Likewise, here is the scene with Mystique versus the sentry:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRN4wh6pFOA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUteDZ8U8EE

And her fight with Wolverine:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIMFYsMLbPQ&mode=related&search=

Y'all can judge for yourselves.

Me going to bed.

*YAWN*

Originally posted by Draco69
Here is the fight between Elektra and whatshisnameIdon'tcare:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUZl5sy5jlc&mode=related&search=

It also shows she never used pre-cog but rather anticipation.

Here we see Elektra's "superior" strength against the almighty sandbags:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IA8pfGOb550

Likewise, here is the scene with Mystique versus the sentry:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRN4wh6pFOA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUteDZ8U8EE

And her fight with Wolverine:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIMFYsMLbPQ&mode=related&search=

Y'all can judge for yourselves.

Me going to bed.

*YAWN*

Originally posted by Draco69
It's an agility feat. That's what counts. And a skill feat.

Originally posted by Draco69
True. But she was moving a hell of alot faster than Elektra did in the movie.

Originally posted by Draco69
And he would've won too if he went for the kill and didn't boast....

He had her completely at his mercy. Elektra won via luck.

Originally posted by Draco69
Wrong. That wasn't pre-cog. Pre-cog means she actually saw the future.

She ANTICPATED his movement. She managed to grab her sai in time and make the dumbass run right into her sai.

Originally posted by Draco69
You mean besides tossing around Wolverine like a ragdoll and using a steel gate as battering ram? Besides punching through pipes and overpowering Wolverine numerous times? Besides tossing grown men around as if they were toys?

😐

Originally posted by Draco69
Pfft. Please. She was CUTTING through the sandbags. With her sais. They were boxing bags for heaven's sake.

Take a really sharp knife, and go try cutting through numerous boxing bags with ease WHILE keeping your momentum.

Originally posted by Draco69
Woo. She lifted a fourteen-year old girl up to the balcony. Big whoop.

Mystique was lifting and throwing grown men around easily.

In addition, Elektra through her sai with enough force to plow through 10+ hedges and then kill the person on the other side.

Originally posted by Draco69
she took out a entire sentry of highly trained soldiers that managed to take down the entire X-Mansion.

Elektra was clearly baffled with floating tableclothes....

Pfft. "highly trained soldiers that managed to take down the entire X-Mansion" ? They were a bunch of poke-to-kill soldiers that managed to capture a few kids with green tongues. Hardly what its shaped up to be.

Originally posted by Draco69
Um. No. She twirled her sais around. Closed her eyes. Concentrated then located Abbey. Then she threw the sai.

Mystique won't allow that to happen.

Originally posted by Draco69
Easily? Pfffft. She was getting her ass kicked. She won by LUCK. Not pre-cog. She anticipated his attack.

She never displayed ANY pre-cog during the fight.

And you STILL haven't shown ANY HTH skills that Elektra could use against Mystique.

ALL the feats above were with her sais....

😐

Mystique would get her ass kicked too. In fact, she never would have won ever. Unlike Elektra. There was an opponent MUCH faster, MUCH stronger and MUCH more skilled.

And yet pre-cog wins?

Fancy that.

She shows H2H skills against Daredevil, at the beginning of the movie, with Stick and his group, in the bar-area, etc.

Mystique managed to take out a couple soldiers that couldn't handle a Care Bear, and repeatedly lost to Wolverine.

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
Sliding under a door is not an agility feat. Fingering someone is not an agility feat. When did she show such remarkable agility?

False. Elektra was moving faster then people could see, and keeping up with people who could do that. Mystique proved she could kick herself in the nose if she so desired, and then became a mutant floor duster.

Speculation

Please. She knew exactly where he was going to be and when he was going to do it. You even see her eyes light up when she knows.

I don't ever recall her overpowering or tossing around Wolverine like a ragdoll. I DO recall her getting caught quite easily by surprise by Wolverine. And throwing grown men like toys is quite exxagerated. She lifted one or two soldiers and tossed them a couple feat. Meh.

Take a really sharp knife, and go try cutting through numerous boxing bags with ease WHILE keeping your momentum.

While running, with one arm, Elektra grabbed her, without pausing, and easily hoisted her high above.
And I covered the Mystique thing.

In addition, Elektra through her sai with enough force to plow through 10+ hedges and then kill the person on the other side.

Pfft. "highly trained soldiers that managed to take down the entire X-Mansion" ? They were a bunch of poke-to-kill soldiers that managed to capture a few kids with green tongues. Hardly what its shaped up to be.

She was running. She paused for half a second, twirled the sai for drama (wont happen here), then threw it through a dozen hedges with enough force to kill the person on the other side.

Mystique would get her ass kicked too. In fact, she never would have won ever. Unlike Elektra. There was an opponent MUCH faster, MUCH stronger and MUCH more skilled.

And yet pre-cog wins?

Fancy that.

She shows H2H skills against Daredevil, at the beginning of the movie, with Stick and his group, in the bar-area, etc.

Mystique managed to take out a couple soldiers that couldn't handle a Care Bear, and repeatedly lost to Wolverine.

Originally posted by Draco69
Again...

How is STEALTH going to help Elektra in this fight?

You're not making any sense....

Im not talking stealth in the sense of blending in with shadows or being cloaked, but more of being unnoticed in her attacks. THAT is going to help her a great deal. I dont get how that doesnt make sense to you.😬

Originally posted by Draco69
Elektra never displayed superspeed nor teleporation. You're making baseless claims based on theatrical effects seen in countless action movies.

Like BATMAN....

Ohh no? Batman has never done some of the things she displays in ANy of his movies.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ru4PR5t0o68

Originally posted by Draco69
Sense her? How the f*ck is this gonna help her?

Elektra: I sense she is right in front of me...

Mystique: No sh*t....

😆

Im glad you find it funny. She was able to sense someones movements who moves faster than the eye can see. She was able to sense hand ninjas. In actuall combat,shed be able to sense every move of Mystiques.

Originally posted by Draco69
And her espionage skills. And her mimcry. Which is again useless in this fight. Elektra won't be using stealth nor will Mystique.

You're making these ridiculous claims that Elektra in her bright red outfit will somehow hide in a corner while Mystique just watches her run off.

You're assuming it's dark. You're assuming that Elektra will have any place to hide.

It's just baseless...

I never said anything aboutespionage skills. I never mentioned anything about Elektra hiding in corners. I mentioned her ninja skills being more that Mystique can handle.

Youre the one whos making rediculous statements. Not once did i imply that Elektra hides or run off.

Im assuming its dark? You mentioned Mystiques blending into shadows.😕

Originally posted by Draco69
She never displayed superspeed. You're making this up....

I can pull up Youtube videos if you want. Elektra is clearly moving at human speed that's no faster than Batman or Aragon...

Really? Im making this up? As per Youtube video i posted above, she displays speed that neither Batman, Aragon or Mystique has displayed in any of their movies.

Originally posted by Draco69
See above...

See above...

Jesus Christ....

Elektra. does. not. have. superspeed.

Mystique on the other hand was clearly faster....

Riiight. See above.

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
When did she show such remarkable agility?

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
Mystique repeatedly lost to Wolverine.