Savage Hulk and Hercules vs. Superman

Originally posted by spetznaz
The only way the team wins is if Superman is written as some dumb brick who decides to go and slug it out with them.

However, with KMC rules there is no way that Superman can lose.

I (and others) have gone into why this is the case, and there is no reason repeating it here when a look at the Hulk vs Superman thread would clearly illustrate why (the one started by a poster called 'AsianHulk' or something along those lines many many months ago).

The only difference in this thread is that instead of one ONE-DIMENSIONAL character we have two - the Hulk and Hercules.

It really doesn't matter much against an omni-dimensional character.

With KMC rules Supes would be going all out and using ALL of his various powers and attributes.
Thing is, the team wouldn't be able to even see him let alone touch him.

In a nutshell, if you want to put a one-dimensional character (like the Hulk) against an omni-dimensional character (like Superman, Mr.Majestic, Sentry), and you want them to fight per KMC rules ....you face a major problem in that most omni-dimensional characters (actually all 'omnis' at the level of Superman or Majestic) can wipe the floor with most one-dimensionals pretty easy.

There are already enough scans on KMc that show Superman fighting at speed (whereby he is either nomoving so fast he is invisible, either moving so fast that he is basically hitting the person all over, or moving so fast that he is basically intangible). Or how Superman was roughing up Mongol at speed. How would the Hulk/Hercules be able to handle that?

Anyways, to cut a long story short, putting up a one-dimensional against an Omni, and then having the fight take place per KMC rules, is almost spite. Why? Not only does the Omni have a very high chance of winning (almost assured, unless the omni jobs or there is PIS/CIS .....and the omni will not be jobbing and there will be no PIS like happens in comics sometimes, e.g. Colossus giving Gladiator a hard time), BUT the one-dimensionals also have no chance of winning (e.g. they would never be able to hit the omni for one).

Superman 10/10, for reasons shown in the Hulk vs Superman thread.

Now, have Superman vs Majestic and Gladiator (or for that matter Superman vs Majestic), and Kal-El will lose. The only thing that can take down an omni (a high-level omni like Majestic or Superman) has to be another omni, OR A one-dimensional with a power that is simply unbelievable (eg Mad Jim is a one-dimensional, but his reality warping powers put him at a level above almost all omnis).

Now, strength as a power (as a one-dimensional power) is NOT sufficient to take down an omni.
Why?
Because strength (physical strength) requires tactile contact. Against an omni that is not going to happen (particularly per KMC rules).

You need to post more often.

Anyway, Spetz has it covered.

Originally posted by xmeat
why art thou his speed not dost match hulks rage and fury. Banner and herc shall smite thee and proven why art thou strongest there is.

Methinks the lady doth protest too much.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Methinks the lady doth protest too much.

I don't read enough Supes, but... Yeah, he can go fast, but does he fight at that speed?

If not, the team rape him. It wouldn't even funny.

If yes, Supes wedge them before the fight even begin.

Originally posted by Bouboumaster
I don't read enough Supes, but... Yeah, he can go fast, but does he fight at that speed?

Yes consistently.

Originally posted by Bouboumaster
I don't read enough Supes, but... Yeah, he can go fast, but does he fight at that speed?

If not, the team rape him. It wouldn't even funny.

If yes, Supes wedge them before the fight even begin.

He's fought at that speed on numerous occasions.

And even if he didn't, the team would hardly rape him. Flight keeps him well out of their range, and his BFR options are numerous, to say the least.

Originally posted by Bouboumaster
I don't read enough Supes, but... Yeah, he can go fast, but does he fight at that speed?

If not, the team rape him. It wouldn't even funny.

If yes, Supes wedge them before the fight even begin.

Originally posted by xmeat
team nuff said

weep Not again....

Superman for the speedblitz win w00t

Originally posted by The Pict
weep Not again....

Superman for the speedblitz win w00t

But Hulk can punch at superluminal speeds . . . 😎

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
But Hulk can punch at superluminal speeds . . . 😎

Only when he's being written by Xmeat.

Is this a pure slugfest? No heatvison, superspeed, flight, frostbreath?

If so, i think the team can pull it off 6/10. Maybe. A quick knockout still counts right?😆

Originally posted by jrodslam
Is this a pure slugfest? No heatvison, superspeed, flight, frostbreath?

If so, i think the team can pull it off 6/10. Maybe. A quick knockout still counts right?😆

Forgot T-Vo. Superman still wins 10/10, 😛.

But seriously, in a sheer slugfest? No super speed, or flight? The Hulk would demolish Superman. Eventually.

In a real fight? It's Superman 10/10.

Originally posted by xmeat
he's fought at high dost of speed but thou has never fought at lightspeed meaning thy big blue gets smite.

see above

Originally posted by xmeat
he's fought at high dost of speed but thou has never fought at lightspeed meaning thy big blue gets smite.
see above

Actually your point is moot.
We could get into semantics on whether Superman can fly at lightspeed, near lightspeed, or some sub-multiple of light speed, and end up going around in circles.

What is true though (and beyond debate) is that:

a) Superman has been able to vibrate so fast he becomes invisible.

b) Superman has been able to move so fast that he trascends enormous distances with very little time shunt (actually looking at the distance travelled vs time spent clearly shows faster than light travel ....but I am sure you will then say that 'he cannot fight at the speed'😉

c) Well, whatever speed he can fight at, it is EVIDENT (from scans taken from ACTUAL comics) that he can fight an opponent so fast that he seems to be everywhere around the opponent (e.g. the Mongul scenario, and one other that keeps popping up on KMC every now and then ....the name of the character slips me at the present moment). Thus Superman can fight at superspeed ....what speed is that? Well, it is a speed that is so fast that he is basically landing Flash-esque punches all over the opponent (and at the same time blasting them with heat vision, freeze breath, etc).

d) Superman has also been shown to be able to move so fast in combat that attacks simply go through him (a good example being Doomsday trying the flame attack on Superman, with Supes moving so fast that the attack just goes through him. Again, a scan of this is widely available).

Thus, you might decide to argue what is Superman's maximum speed (various accounts vary, ranging from a certain poster who claimed Supes was only supersonic, to some that state hypersonic. Those ones are wrong, and not just wrong but plain silly.
In comics Superman has been shown as being able to trascend vast distances of space in very short time, and in several instances has been clocked at beyond lightspeed ....I had a scan of him doing exactly that, and they write what speed he is going at ....and this was POST-crisis Supes not Pre-crisis. With time i can dredge it up again.

However that is not important here.

The key fact is that a character who can move so fast that he can become intangible or invisible is fighting against a character whose top speed is 300mph (Hulk) and another whose top speed is that of a heavily muscular keg-imbuing brute (Hercules).

Superman's speed DOES factor here, and it factors so heavily that he would win by ONLY using it.

Whether he can fight at light speed or not is moot (he cannot in earth's atmosphere anyways).
What is IMPORTANT is that he can fight at such great speed that he does NOT have to fight at lightspeed.

And that is the truth/.

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Superman? are you guys serious?
Hulk demolishes even if hercules was on blue boy's side.

Originally posted by HULKSTER04
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Superman? are you guys serious?
Hulk demolishes even if hercules was on blue boy's side.

Originally posted by HULKSTER04
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Superman? are you guys serious?
Hulk demolishes even if hercules was on blue boy's side.

Originally posted by Juntai
😆

thou art know that thou can show scans of thy spiderman hitting spidey multiple dost of times but thou doesn't mean superspeed.

Originally posted by xmeat
thou art know that thou can show scans of thy spiderman hitting firelord multiple dost of times but thou doesn't mean superspeed.

Originally posted by xmeat
thou art know that thou can show scans of thy spiderman hitting spidey multiple dost of times but thou doesn't mean superspeed.