Originally posted by Devil LanceNone of those are OYL, which is the case in Robin 150 and 151, in which Robin, even already beat up after getting jumped from behind fights off a few dozen League of Assassin Ninjas, then confronts Cass - who was avoiding him, goes to toe to toe with her.
no he didn't 🙄Cass Is so mcuh better than
Example A
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http://img239.imageshack.us/my.php?image=batgirl58090zv.jpgExample B
Cass owning tim again while training him
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Batgirl takes down a group of thugs with high powered guns before Batgirl can even react.
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After fighting off all the ninjas.
Robin jacks her in the mouth, she spits blood.
She tackles into him and flips off.
He gets up pulling out explosives, she kicks the pellets away.
She grabs ahold of him, looking like she's trying to snap his neck.
He elbows her in the stomach.
Then jacks her in the face again, hard.
And then again, with a follow-up.
She blocks the next punch.
She lands ONE KICK.
An explosion goes off.
Cass leaves the fight.
Sounds like a beating to me.
And this was while he was already all beat up.
And her in fresh condition.
Originally posted by Juntai
After fighting off all the ninjas.Robin jacks her in the mouth, she spits blood.
She tackles into him and flips off.
He gets up pulling out explosives, she kicks the pellets away.
She grabs ahold of him, looking like she's trying to snap his neck.
He elbows her in the stomach.
Then jacks her in the face again, hard.
And then again, with a follow-up.
She blocks the next punch.
She lands ONE KICK.
An explosion goes off.
Cass leaves the fight.Sounds like a beating to me.
And this was while he was already all beat up.
And her in fresh condition.
😄.
Let the Cass hype be ended?
Originally posted by Juntai
After fighting off all the ninjas.Robin jacks her in the mouth, she spits blood.
She tackles into him and flips off.
He gets up pulling out explosives, she kicks the pellets away.
She grabs ahold of him, looking like she's trying to snap his neck.
He elbows her in the stomach.
Then jacks her in the face again, hard.
And then again, with a follow-up.
She blocks the next punch.
She lands ONE KICK.
An explosion goes off.
Cass leaves the fight.Sounds like a beating to me.
And this was while he was already all beat up.
And her in fresh condition.
A) It was written by Breechen who knows NOTHING about Batgirl and completely butchered her character. Batgirl was jobbing horrifically against Robin and she would have dropped his ass in a picosecond.
B) In the very same issue, Robin SOMEHOW managed to get the better of friggin' Lady Shiva
C) Batgirl's under the influence of Deathstroke
D) It was crappy writing nearly on par with Jeph Loeb and you know it.
It's PIS and therefore discounted here on KMC.
One lousy year of training (or vacationing by the looks of it in 52 )does not suddenly make Robin a Shiva/Richard Dragon/Batgirl level character.
Bullsh*t...
Originally posted by Draco69
A) It was written by Breechen who knows NOTHING about Batgirl and completely butchered her character. Batgirl was jobbing horrifically against Robin and she would have dropped his ass in a picosecond.B) In the very same issue, Robin SOMEHOW managed to get the better of friggin' Lady Shiva
C) Batgirl's under the influence of Deathstroke
D) It was crappy writing nearly on par with Jeph Loeb and you know it.
It's PIS and therefore discounted here on KMC.
One lousy year of training (or vacationing by the looks of it in 52 )does not suddenly make Robin a Shiva/Richard Dragon/Batgirl level character.
Bullsh*t...
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Originally posted by Devil Lance
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A)He's the writer. Not you. I'm sure you didn't have any complaints about the way she is portrayed when the same writer had her blindside Robin and KO him earlier in the series.
B)I don't see Lady Shiva in the issue, unless you're speaking of a following one? In this one, he breaks out David Cain, and fights the ninjas and Cass.
C)Doesn't mean she lost her ability to fight.
D) I dissagree, the way he managed to do it was explained away. One human hitting another isn't quite PIS. A good/bad showing [depending on which side of course].... maybe.... PIS? No. That would be if Robin was tossing around Cyborg or something.
Originally posted by Juntai
A)He's the writer. Not you. I'm sure you didn't have any complaints about the way she is portrayed when the same writer had her blindside Robin and KO him earlier in the series.
Bullsh**. Hudlin's also a writer. Loeb is also a writer. Chuck Austen is also a writer.
And all of us think they're jackasses.
Writer does not equal comic knowledge.
Beechen specifically apologized in an interview to Batgirl fans that he didn't know ANYTHING about Batgirl and he thought she would be a good villain for Robin like Shiva is to Batman. That's it. He admitted he didn't read up on her history.
Which is why Cassandra could suddenly speak fluently, read Navajo and suddenly hate her father when her history specifically states she doesn't.
NONE of it made sense. She was angry at Cain because he had other proteges? She ALREADY knew that. And she didn't have a problem with it. There were just so many errors and mistakes in the story. Its the equivalent of writing a story about Superman suddenly being revealed as a Martian rather than a Kryptonian and that the reason he was a superhero was because he wanted to impress Lois Lane.
THAT's how bad he got Batgirl wrong.
If he doesn't even know the basic background knowledge of Batgirl, OF COURSE she's gonna job to Robin in the fight. The mere fact that he didn't know Batgirl makes his entire story PIS....
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Originally posted by Juntai
B)I don't see Lady Shiva in the issue, unless you're speaking of a following one? In this one, he breaks out David Cain, and fights the ninjas and Cass.
Robin actually managed to DEFLECT Shiva's attack, kick her in the stomach THEN manage to get Shiva down on the ground in a stranglehold.
The scene was vile.
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Originally posted by Juntai
C)Doesn't mean she lost her ability to fight.
Clearly she lost not only her friggin' character but also her fighting ability by the hack Beechen.
Cassandra is TOP-TIER. Robin is NOT.
It's like comparing Richard Dragon to friggin' Spoiler.
Or Iron Fist to Aunt May.
The difference in skill is THAT much. Robin isn't anywhere near Cain or Batman or Shiva or Dragon's skill level.
Originally posted by Juntai
D) I dissagree, the way he managed to do it was explained away.
How?
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Cain was having her period at the time and her tampon fell out?
Originally posted by Juntai
One human hitting another isn't quite PIS. A good/bad showing [depending on which side of course].... maybe.... PIS? No. That would be if Robin was tossing around Cyborg or something.
Robin shouldn't have landed a SINGLE blow to Cain. It's enormous PIS. It's like Jarvis the Butler managing to bloody Shang Chi's nose.
And Batgirl clearly isn't human. She can dodge friggin' bullets at point-blank range. But she can't dodge Robin? Especially with her ability to know what he's going to do before he even THINKS about doing it let alone doing it in the first place?
The entire issue was bull. Beechen admitted it. Geoff Johns admitted. Hell DC admitted it and they scrambled to repair Batgirl in TT by using Deathstroke.
Beechen plainly stated that Batgirl was going to be bad for absolutely no reason.
Originally posted by Draco69
Bullsh**. Hudlin's also a writer. Loeb is also a writer. Chuck Austen is also a writer.And all of us think they're jackasses.
Writer does not equal comic knowledge.
Beechen specifically apologized in an interview to Batgirl fans that he didn't know ANYTHING about Batgirl and he thought she would be a good villain for Robin like Shiva is to Batman. That's it. He admitted he didn't read up on her history.
Which is why Cassandra could suddenly speak fluently, read Navajo and suddenly hate her father when her history specifically states she doesn't.
NONE of it made sense. She was angry at Cain because he had other proteges? She ALREADY knew that. And she didn't have a problem with it. There were just so many errors and mistakes in the story. Its the equivalent of writing a story about Superman suddenly being revealed as a Martian rather than a Kryptonian and that the reason he was a superhero was because he wanted to impress Lois Lane.
THAT's how bad he got Batgirl wrong.
If he doesn't even know the basic background knowledge of Batgirl, OF COURSE she's gonna job to Robin in the fight. The mere fact that he didn't know Batgirl makes his entire story PIS....
😬
Robin actually managed to DEFLECT Shiva's attack, kick her in the stomach THEN manage to get Shiva down on the ground in a stranglehold.
The scene was vile.
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Clearly she lost not only her friggin' character but also her fighting ability by the hack Beechen.
Cassandra is TOP-TIER. Robin is NOT.
It's like comparing Richard Dragon to friggin' Spoiler.
Or Iron Fist to Aunt May.
The difference in skill is THAT much. Robin isn't anywhere near Cain or Batman or Shiva or Dragon's skill level.
How?
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Cain was having her period at the time and her tampon fell out?
Robin shouldn't have landed a SINGLE blow to Cain. It's enormous PIS. It's like Jarvis the Butler managing to bloody Shang Chi's nose.
And Batgirl clearly isn't human. She can dodge friggin' bullets at point-blank range. But she can't dodge Robin? Especially with her ability to know what he's going to do before he even THINKS about doing it let alone doing it in the first place?
The entire issue was bull. Beechen admitted it. Geoff Johns admitted. Hell DC admitted it and they scrambled to repair Batgirl in TT by using Deathstroke.
Beechen plainly stated that Batgirl was going to be bad for absolutely no reason.
I think your response is to much, thanks🙂
Originally posted by Draco69
SAVE CASS DAMMIT!!!!tank
I agree. I was appalled at DC editoral letting Beechen get away with character assasination like that. Obviously he didn't know anything about Cass except for her name and was making up stuff as he went along. At least Johns is trying to cobble together an explanation as to why she's acting the way she's been acting.
Originally posted by marvelprince
I agree. I was appalled at DC editoral letting Beechen get away with character assasination like that. Obviously he didn't know anything about Cass except for her name and was making up stuff as he went along. At least Johns is trying to cobble together an explanation as to why she's acting the way she's been acting.
... DC told Beechen that Cassandra was to be turned into a Nemesis for Robin, the reasoning was up to him but it wasn't his idea.
I'm not particularly found of her recent characterisation, but is it that far of a stretch for a teenager with Cassandra's back ground to suffer a psychotic break? I don't think so. DC should have had the balls to stick with their decision, the whole "she is on drugs" thing, cheapens everything.
Originally posted by srankmissingninAgreed.
... DC told Beechen that Cassandra was to be turned into a Nemesis for Robin, the reasoning was up to him but it wasn't his idea.I'm not particularly found of her recent characterisation, but is it that far of a stretch for a teenager with Cassandra's back ground to suffer a psychotic break? I don't think so. DC should have had the balls to stick with their decision, the whole "she is on drugs" thing, cheapens everything.
