Hulk Vs Kurse Vs Mangog

Originally posted by Accel
Whatever. Agree to disagree, even though emotion has never been a major factor in Hulk's abilty to get stronger...

Because it's pretty much grasping at straws. The handbooks used to stated that Hulk, Doc Samson, and She-Hulk obtained mass from an extra-dimensional source with no explanation beyond that. Their strength ratings have been wrong for multiple people. If they truly believed Cain's strength was limitless, they'd say just HOW exactly it was limitless. So far, they got nothing.

If Marvel truly believed it, they'd show it in a comic.

Emotion has never been a major factor in Hulk getting stronger? Emotion is the sole reason for Hulk's ability to increase his strength. If it wasn't for his ability to transform emotion onto strength, he would barely be a class 100 character.

So it's grasping for straws to go by Marvels official handbooks? ok.

If Marvel didn't believe it, they wouldn't allow it to be written at all. Also his limitless strength has been displayed before, that and he's never had a problem with any lifting/pushing feat in his career.

Originally posted by DevilGoblin
No, Peter David says Hulk is stronger than Mangog. Deal with it.

Originally posted by MightyEInherjar
I don't believe so, not with out exploiting his iron weakness. Hulk will fight him good and hard, but it won't bring him down IMO.

I'd LIKE to think Hulk could win against these guys, but in truth, it'll probably not happen unless.

Can he hang with these guys? Sure.

Can he beat the hell out of them? I'd say so.

But I don't think he's going to be the one declared victor at the end of the fight, regardless of how much ass he kicks.

Please:

1) start reading hulk comics
2) change your signature you don't deserve it

Originally posted by DevilGoblin
Please:

1) start reading hulk comics
2) change your signature you don't deserve it

Originally posted by Soujaboy
Emotion has never been a major factor in Hulk getting stronger? Emotion is the sole reason for Hulk's ability to increase his strength. If it wasn't for his ability to transform emotion onto strength, he would barely be a class 100 character.

So it's grasping for straws to go by Marvels official handbooks? ok.

If Marvel didn't believe it, they wouldn't allow it to be written at all. Also his limitless strength has been displayed before, that and he's never had a problem with any lifting/pushing feat in his career.

...official handbooks that often contradict comics and soemtimes don't even make sense themselves, yes. They apparently believed Namor to be Class 85 at one point, yet the comics tell a different story. The handbooks also stated that Hulk, She-Hulk, and Doc Samson all gained their extra mass form another dimension (because they couldn't think of another explanation for that), yet Hulk's only shown that trait after Onslaught. They used to say Wolverine would die if he lost too much body mass, yet he's lost an arm before and healed form it fine. And they've stated that Nightcrawler had the highest rating in speed do to his teleporting, which implies he's as fast or faster than the Silver Surfer. The handbooks clearly aren't reliable.

Juggernaut's never once shown any thing that indicates limitless strength. I don't know where you get that. His strength feats of knocking out the Thing in three punches or pounding on Thor certainly don't show it.

Originally posted by Accel
I find it funny you keep quoting the same guy who also said he wasn't sure if Hulk could take Hercules and that Superman would beat the Hulk in a fight.

Mangog > Superman > Hercules

hulk can beat or can't beat any of them. It depends to the anger level.

Originally posted by DevilGoblin
2) change your signature you don't deserve it

Are you saying you can't even tell the diff between Hulk and General?

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Are you saying you can't even tell the diff between Hulk and General?

Originally posted by Accel
Right, but getting angrier has never been a major factor for Savage Hulk. In other words, it's never been a problem for him. And even without being really pissed, he's shown to be easily capabale fo performing Class 100 feats.

...official handbooks that often contradict comics and soemtimes don't even make sense themselves, yes. They apparently believed Namor to be Class 85 at one point, yet the comics tell a different story. The handbooks also stated that Hulk, She-Hulk, and Doc Samson all gained their extra mass form another dimension (because they couldn't think of another explanation for that), yet Hulk's only shown that trait after Onslaught. They used to say Wolverine would die if he lost too much body mass, yet he's lost an arm before and healed form it fine. And they've stated that Nightcrawler had the highest rating in speed do to his teleporting, which implies he's as fast or faster than the Silver Surfer. The handbooks clearly aren't reliable.

Juggernaut's never once shown any thing that indicates limitless strength. I don't know where you get that. His strength feats of knocking out the Thing in three punches or pounding on Thor certainly don't show it.

Your misinterpreting what I'm saying. I'm not arguing whether or not getting angry was the problem, I was just saying that characters who have the ability to amp their strength have a better case of going about obtaining higher lv's of strength.

You've named many characters except Cain. Like I've said, Marvel's handbooks do have many mistakes however nothing thats been stated in Juggernauts bio has contradicted his history as a character. He's been stated to have limitless strength, and on occasion it's been shown and stated. Your the one that went about saying Cain only has limitless strength when Cyttorak feels like giving it to him, without it being stated on panel or in a handbook.

When has Cain ever shown a limit to his strength? never. Has Cain been stated to have limitless strength? yes. I don't see why your having such a problem with Cain's limitless strength.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
Your misinterpreting what I'm saying. I'm not arguing whether or not getting angry was the problem, I was just saying that characters who have the ability to amp their strength have a better case of going about obtaining higher lv's of strength.

You've named many characters except Cain. Like I've said, Marvel's handbooks do have many mistakes however nothing thats been stated in Juggernauts bio has contradicted his history as a character. He's been stated to have limitless strength, and on occasion it's been shown and stated. Your the one that went about saying Cain only has limitless strength when Cyttorak feels like giving it to him, without it being stated on panel or in a handbook.

When has Cain ever shown a limit to his strength? never. Has Cain been stated to have limitless strength? yes. I don't see why your having such a problem with Cain's limitless strength.

The fact that they make several mistakes should tell you something in the first place. He's never shown limitless strength on his own, just some Class 100 feats here and there. And my logic that Cyttorak can give as much as he wants to Juggernaut is based on the fact that he has. Twice. And those two times were the only times when Juggernaut was specifically amped. Other than that, he's never shown the ability to get stronger under his own power.

Again, that's faulty logic. Classic Thor hasn't shown just where he's limited strength wise. Neither has Captain Marvel, or Wonder Woman, or Hercules, or Beta Ray Bill, or just about every other top-tier character. It doesn't mean they have limitless strength either. And Cain's only been stated to have immeasurable strength from the same source that says Thor's skin is only 3X as durable as a normal person's skin. When he focused on pushing War Hulk, he was eventually stopped. When he was buried under that mountain for God knows how long, he didn't simply get out right away. When Thor took away his invulnerability and batted him around, he didn't get any stronger. This is all evidence that while Cain's strength is high, it's fairly limited.

Originally posted by Accel
I get what you're saying. Getting incredibly angry is difficult for a normal person. I'm just saying that it's not hard at all for Hulk, since he's not normal. He can amp just fine, even with emotions.

The fact that they make several mistakes should tell you something in the first place. He's never shown limitless strength on his own, just some Class 100 feats here and there. And my logic that Cyttorak can give as much as he wants to Juggernaut is based on the fact that he has. Twice. And those two times were the only times when Juggernaut was specifically amped. Other than that, he's never shown the ability to get stronger under his own power.

Again, that's faulty logic. Classic Thor hasn't shown just where he's limited strength wise. Neither has Captain Marvel, or Wonder Woman, or Hercules, or Beta Ray Bill, or just about every other top-tier character. It doesn't mean they have limitless strength either. And Cain's only been stated to have immeasurable strength from the same source that says Thor's skin is only 3X as durable as a normal person's skin. When he focused on pushing War Hulk, he was eventually stopped. When he was buried under that mountain for God knows how long, he didn't simply get out right away. When Thor took away his invulnerability and batted him around, he didn't get any stronger. This is all evidence that while Cain's strength is high, it's fairly limited.

Fair enough, although I slightly disagree, but yeah fair enough.

Juggernauts history has still never contradicted whats been shown in comics. He's never shown a limit, he's never had a problem with strength feats.

Classic Thor has. He's shown on a number of occasions that Thanos is his physical superior.

Captain Marvel, more than once has stalemated Superman in a test of strength.

Wonder Woman cant even manage to pull the earth on her own.

Hercules is Thor's equal, look above at Thor.

BRB is Thor's equal, look above at Thor.

No, the handbook states his skin is 3x as dense as a normal humans skin, not that he's as durable. Thus is the reason Thor weighs so much more than normal humans do.

Celestials > Cain's limitless strength

Juggernaut still had the chance to put Thor down, this was even stated on panel.

Cain still imo has limitless strength.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Are you saying you can't even tell the diff between Hulk and General?

bump

Originally posted by DevilGoblin
No, it's a lie made by anti-hulk fanboys to underrate the green scar. Don't fall in the trap.

Hulk has no rivals in strenght/slugfest/HTH combat departement. It's canon.

Originally posted by DevilGoblin
Hulk has no rivals in strenght/slugfest/HTH combat departement. It's canon.

Hulk 5,5/10
Mangog 3,5/10
Kurse 1/10

Thanos 100/10

Originally posted by DevilGoblin
Hulk has no rivals in strenght/slugfest/HTH combat departement. It's canon.

Hulk calls his chief APOC and asks to be turned into WAR HULK.....WAR HULK

Originally posted by DevilGoblin
Hulk has no rivals in strenght/slugfest/HTH combat departement. It's canon.

Thanos may have wielded the Infinity Gems but DevilGoblin wields the Gem of Truth and what he says is canon. Hulk rules all. Case closed.