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The HOTU's only feat thus far, has been to make its user a full universe.
Saying it is TOAA's power and is greater then anything else is pure speculation, as it has never been shown on panel to do anything greater then make Thanos a full universe. Yes it was said to be the supreme one's power, but does this have any meaning in a debate without feats backing it? No it does not, it is the same as when Thanos with the Cosmic Cube was described as having the power of god and being god, its the same as with the IG when he was described as being a god; but was he ever a god? No.
I go by on panel showings, not speculation.
Originally posted by Board Walker
I go by on panel showings, not speculation.
Wonderful. Here's some simple logic for you.
IG >> A great number of universe level Abstracts (also in at least one case effected 2 univeses)
HOTI was stated by Thanos (who has used both) to give him far more power than the IG
HOTI >> IG >> at least the power of a universe
HOTI = at a minimum multiverse in power
HOTI feats are limited so there is no telling exactly what its limitations might be.
The options are either a stalemate (HOTI is TOAA's power) or not enough information (that power has not been demonstrated in order to prove it).
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Wonderful. Here's some simple logic for you.IG >> A great number of universe level Abstracts (also in at least one case effected 2 univeses)
HOTI was stated by Thanos (who has used both) to give him far more power than the IG
HOTI >> IG >> at least the power of a universe
HOTI = at a minimum multiverse in power
HOTI feats are limited so there is no telling exactly what its limitations might be.
The options are either a stalemate (HOTI is TOAA's power) or not enough information (that power has not been demonstrated in order to prove it).
And your entire point is?
What matters is what happens on panel, not your opinion, not mine, or anyone else, that is speculation and meaningless.
What happened on panel is that the IG was able to dispatch universal abstracts, and in the end Warlock disbanded the IG before testing it against LT. Just because Lt says he could of defeated it, does not mean he would of, LT thought he could judge and defeat thanos with the HOTU, but he was very wrong.
The IG has been showed on panel numerous times, and confirmed in the recent Illuminanti, that the IG is UNIVERSAL (scans posted in the LT VS. Michael thread)
The IG can affect realities outside of its own, but is the IG more powerful then the raw power of the summation of power from 1 entire universe? This has never been shown.
The HOTU gave Thanos the power of 1 fully complete Universe, it made him into a full universe. This was shown on panel when he became like a purple sphere, just as the limitless other purple spheres he was surrounded by.
The purple spheres are universes, this was confirmed when Doc Strange went outside of the 616 universe and saw it as a purple sphere floating among the limitless others in the balance of multi infinite and multi oblivion.
Thanos with the power of 1 full universe defeated LT.
On panel HOTU (with no speculation) = 1 full universe
HOTU>LT
HOTU>IG
This means the IG is weaker then universal in summation power.
The Living Tribunal holding the embodiments of TWO Megaverses in one Hand.
Each Megaverse, is a COLLECTION of MULTIVERSES!!!
"he sits at the CENTER of ALL things, feeling the flow of countless Realities, their FATE irrevocably determined through the judgment rendered by HIS Three Faces"
"Two SIBLINGS whom the Tribunal has a place for in HIS great scheme of things"
"the Pulse of Creation reverberates through him, for he is its Heart, ALPHA & OMEGA revolve on the Wheel of Destiny, a Destiny SPUN by HIS mighty Hand"
"A Hand soon opening to allow TWO Brothers to assume their pre-destined Roles as Architects of New Realities ... and ONLY this Judge knows why"
Nuff said.
Originally posted by Mr Master
The Living Tribunal holding the embodiments of TWO Megaverses in one Hand.Each Megaverse, is a COLLECTION of MULTIVERSES!!!
"he sits at the CENTER of ALL things, feeling the flow of countless Realities, their FATE irrevocably determined through the judgment rendered by HIS Three Faces"
"Two SIBLINGS whom the Tribunal has a place for in HIS great scheme of things""the Pulse of Creation reverberates through him, for he is its Heart, ALPHA & OMEGA revolve on the Wheel of Destiny, a Destiny SPUN by HIS mighty Hand"
"A Hand soon opening to allow TWO Brothers to assume their pre-destined Roles as Architects of New Realities ... and ONLY this Judge knows why"Nuff said.
You remind me more and more of Galactic storm every day...
The two brothers being claimed as multiversal guardians is meaningless as to their actual power level of post retcon.
Roma is the omniversal guardian, yet she was killed by Abrax, a less then universal power.
LT was defeated on panel by the HOTU which made Thanos 1 universe.
The sum power of 1 entire universe > LT
What does this say about the brothers? It says how utterly weak they are compared to LT, who was defeated on panel by the power of 1 full universe.
Originally posted by Board Walker
You remind me more and more of Galactic storm every day...
Well in that case I might aswell just admit how much of a SOCK you're coming across as.
You know shit about Comics, and you been repeating the same clueless gibberish over and over again.
Any cat that says LT is below a Universe is lost, plain and simple.
I been putting up with you to see if you'll lessen the obtuseness but I see now you're in it for the long haul. (then you have the nerve to insult me 😂)
Originally posted by Board Walker
The two brothers being claimed as multiversal guardians is meaningless as to their actual power level of post retcon.
The Two Brothers are Megaverses according to Marvel, the Company that makes all this shit up.
So get your facts straight.
A Megaverse is a Collection of Multiverses:
"the REALMS with a Multiverse"
"Within the Omniverse, collections of associated REALMS from different Multiverses are referred to as Megaverses"
You don't like it?
Write Marvel and letter and complain, otherwise stfu2
Originally posted by Board Walker
Roma is the omniversal guardian, yet she was killed by Abrax, a less then universal power.
Again,
READ COMICS!
Abraxas is the embodiment of Multiversal destruction.
"creatures of the MULTIVERSE Mixing --- Reality folding onto itself"
AND according to Marvel, Roma FAKED her death.
If you'd know Merlyn and Roma's History, you would know that isn't just talk.
Originally posted by Board Walker
LT was defeated on panel by the HOTU which made Thanos 1 universe.The sum power of 1 entire universe > LT
What does this say about the brothers? It says how utterly weak they are compared to LT, who was defeated on panel by the power of 1 full universe.
7900f44c82a964c25f448263bcfaa7a6
Ok enough of you.
I can't take you seriously anymore.
Originally posted by Mr Master
Well in that case I might aswell just admit how much of a SOCK you're coming across as.You know shit about Comics, and you been repeating the same clueless gibberish over and over again.
[B]Any cat that says LT is below a Universe is lost, plain and simple.
I been putting up with you to see if you'll lessen the obtuseness but I see now you're in it for the long haul. (then you have the nerve to insult me 😂)
The Two Brothers are Megaverses according to Marvel, the Company that makes all this shit up.
So get your facts straight.
A Megaverse is a Collection of Multiverses:
"the REALMS with a Multiverse"
"Within the Omniverse, collections of associated REALMS from different Multiverses are referred to as Megaverses"You don't like it?
Write Marvel and letter and complain, otherwise stfu2
Again,
READ COMICS!
Abraxas is the embodiment of Multiversal destruction.
"creatures of the MULTIVERSE Mixing --- Reality folding onto itself"AND according to Marvel, Roma FAKED her death.
If you'd know Merlyn and Roma's History, you would know that isn't just talk.
7900f44c82a964c25f448263bcfaa7a6
Ok enough of you.
I can't take you seriously anymore. [/B]
I see we are taking Marvel hand books and bios as the highest source of cannon now?
Wow how you contradict yourself when you would argue against Galactic Storm.
You tout LT as this supreme being, second in charge, yet on panel he was defeated by the power of a single universe, what does that say about him?
It says he isnt multiversal in power, sure hes multiversal in authority, but does he have the raw power of a multivers+ as well? No, not at all.
The brothers can be called Megaversal guardians, but does that mean they have the power of a megaverse? No.
Does roma the omniversal guardian have the power of the omniverse? No.
You repeat yourself like a broken record, and more and more are begining to see and realize how wrong you are, such as Bigbran, Mordum, and many others.
I once admired your knowledge of comics, until I realized your of the same likeness as GS, you repeat yourself like a broken record with the same scans which we have all seen.
You use speculation on a level more so then most, speculating that the LT is the second most powerful being, when ON PANEL it has been shown he was defeated by the power of exactly 1 full universe.
Originally posted by Board Walker
I see we are taking Marvel hand books and bios as the highest source of cannon now?Wow how you contradict yourself when you would argue against Galactic Storm.
You tout LT as this supreme being, second in charge, yet on panel he was defeated by the power of a single universe, what does that say about him?
It says he isnt multiversal in power, sure hes multiversal in authority, but does he have the raw power of a multivers+ as well? No, not at all.
The brothers can be called Megaversal guardians, but does that mean they have the power of a megaverse? No.
Does roma the omniversal guardian have the power of the omniverse? No.
You repeat yourself like a broken record, and more and more are begining to see and realize how wrong you are, such as Bigbran, Mordum, and many others.
I once admired your knowledge of comics, until I realized your of the same likeness as GS, you repeat yourself like a broken record with the same scans which we have all seen.
You use speculation on a level more so then most, speculating that the LT is the second most powerful being, when ON PANEL it has been shown he was defeated by the power of exactly 1 full universe.
Wow,
I must really inspire you,
I haven't had a person jump on my D*ick in a while.
Good to see it still happens.
Originally posted by bigbran
But, Hotu has owned LT in one panel, along with Eternity and Infinity.I know what Micheal has done.
Yeah The Spectre is a warrior and THe LT is a punk by all rights. And michael outright said that he could have destroyed the spectre if he wanted he spared the spectre. So again what has the heart done that make's it superior to mike? aren't they not both the power of God?
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
God you people (mr master and boardwalker) are getting annoying.After the first hour of these debates about the IG, HOTI and the LT you both gave every piece of evidence that you have given in the last . . . what is it now . . . 5 days of arguing.
If you don't like the threads and discussion, there are many others.
