Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
The problem is that every time debates with cosimcs come up those two just start this argument all over again.
It's fun. That is why we are all here. It's gets ur chops going and makes u mad and all that and stuff. I enjoy thier debates and even mr master's "interpretations" of on panel evidence.
THOTU's biggest Feats=Absorbing The LT and Eternity(universal) and Infinity(also Universal)
Micheal's Biggest Feat= Beating the Spectre down 2x and out right saying he could destroy the spectre. Micaheal's power in vertigo which is inferior to the Main DCU's power, was able to recreate the entire multiverse, heaven and hell via elaine.
They seem about even to me.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirlI agree.
They seem about even to me.
Neither of these beings have ever done something which might lead me to believe that one of them is more powerful then the other.
The power of God in one company, is not greater then the power of God in another company, (that's why the pre-retcon Brothers were equal in power).
Once again,
Stalemate.
Originally posted by Galan007
I agree.Neither of these beings have ever done something which might lead me to believe that one of them is more powerful then the other.
The power of God in one company, is not greater then the power of God in another company, (that's why the pre-retcon Brothers were equal in power).
Once again,
Stalemate.
The greatest feat the HOTU showed was 1 universe, nothing more.
I only go by on panel feats.
Anything else is pure speculation, that goes for both Marvel, DC, and all indie companies as well.
Originally posted by King Kandy
Board Walker, on panel is fine, but Logic and Statements have their place, as well.I mean, to get fans to believe Spider-Man can lift such and such boat, Marvel shouldn't have to show him doing so, saying he can should be enough. You miss all the subtleties.
For example, do you accept all subtleies in comics?
"Sentry stalemating Galactus"
"The phoenix force creating Galactus, all life, and all existence"
"Cosmic spiderman the most powerful super hero of marvel"
My point exactly
Originally posted by Galan007
🙄There's just no point.
I go by on panel, the HOTU can be claimed as "god's" power, but does that make it so?
The cosmic cube was claimed as making one god
The IG was claimed as making one god
The HOTU is said as gods power, what does it have in common with th others? All claim to make you god.
The HOTU with no speculation and only on panel feats, made thanos exactly 1 full sentient universe, Thanos was unable to go any further then this (on panel shown/stated).
As of right now, the HOTU's greatest feat was 1 universe.
You can speculate all you want about what its potential is, but its none the less speculation .
Originally posted by Board Walker
Those "subtleties" don't hold weight on these forums, because it becomes a war of bias, of selecting which "subtleties" are taken as truth and which are questioned and dispatchedFor example, do you accept all subtleies in comics?
"Sentry stalemating Galactus"
"The phoenix force creating Galactus, all life, and all existence"
"Cosmic spiderman the most powerful super hero of marvel"
My point exactly
If in a comic Sentry says he could destroy the empire state building, will you question it? No? Even though it didn't happen on panel?
Originally posted by King Kandy
If in a comic Sentry says he could destroy the empire state building, will you question it? No? Even though it didn't happen on panel?
I wont question that, because he has shown on panel feats which warrant him the ability and power range to do so.
The HOTU is a completely different story, its one and only feat, is making Thanos 1 fully sentient Universe, and nothing more a he was unable to go any further.
Originally posted by Board Walker
I wont question that, because he has shown on panel feats which warrant him the ability and power range to do so.The HOTU is a completely different story, its one and only feat, is making Thanos 1 fully sentient Universe, and nothing more a he was unable to go any further.
And he killed LT, who swats universes around like flies, and carries Mega-Eternities in his hand.
Originally posted by Board WalkerThe Goddess possessed 30 CCU's. Magus made a duplicate 616 Universe with just 5 CCU's.
I wont question that, because he has shown on panel feats which warrant him the ability and power range to do so.The HOTU is a completely different story, its one and only feat, is making Thanos 1 fully sentient Universe, and nothing more a he was unable to go any further.
The IG was even more powerful then this.
And even Thanos said that THOTI was more powerful then even the IG.
Sorry, but your "THOTI = 1 Universe" theory dosen't hold up.
Originally posted by King Kandy
Except he killed all the universes abstracts, which equals 1 Universe.And he killed LT, who swats universes around like flies, and carries Mega-Eternities in his hand.
Yes he defeated LT
LT swats universes around like flys? Provide scan please.
I have debated with Mr. M, and I have seen all the story arcs, the scans, and read the comics.
LT has never done this.
It has been shown on panel that Eternity is not the sum of a universe, rather it is the representation of it, the consciousness of it.
Thanos fully became a universe, he was a conscious universe, shown on panel.
IT also explains why Eternity when battling for the IG, stated "IF I was in my entirety I would destroy you" (not exact wording) its all in the Michael Vs LT thread.
The point is LT was defeated by the power of 1 full universe.
LT can be claimed as the multiversal judge, but does that mean his power is sum of the multiverse and beyond? No.
It is the same as Roma being the claimed omniversal guardian, yet she was defeated by Abraxas, who showed universal power, no more.
Originally posted by Galan007
The Goddess possessed 30 CCU's. Magus made a duplicate 616 Universe with just 5 CCU's.The IG was even more powerful then this.
And even Thanos said that THOTI was more powerful then even the IG.
Sorry, but your "THOTI = 1 Universe" theory dosen't hold up.
On panel > your theory.
Its shown on panel, stated on panel 9+ times, the HOTU made thanos 1 singular complete univese.
All scans of course are present on the Michael Vs. LT thread.
Originally posted by Galan007
The Goddess possessed 30 CCU's. Magus made a duplicate 616 Universe with just 5 CCU's.The IG was even more powerful then this.
And even Thanos said that THOTI was more powerful then even the IG.
Sorry, but your "THOTI = 1 Universe" theory dosen't hold up.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
THOTU's biggest Feats=Absorbing The LT and Eternity(universal) and Infinity(also Universal)Micheal's Biggest Feat= Beating the Spectre down 2x and out right saying he could destroy the spectre. Micaheal's power in vertigo which is inferior to the Main DCU's power, was able to recreate the entire multiverse, heaven and hell via elaine.
They seem about even to me.
Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
It took Michael 3 pages to beat a hostless Spectre (Which even Shazam stood up to, for a while)
It took Thanos 1 to crush LT and 2 other flies (Eternity and Infinity)
I don't recall that spectre being hostless. Are you sure? You dont' seem like an avid dc reader. also, the spectre is by rights a warrior. And Michael even said he could have destroyed the spectre. he was just giving the spectre a good fight. besides, the heart of the Universe seems non cannon now that mr. master has posted that it wasn't even a what if or anything.