New facts about the Empress and Elizabeth

and another great quote/line that was left out of the movie...uttered by Gibbs when they are at the tavern in Tortuga...recruiting the 99 souls...

Gibbs says to Jack:

You'd best be coming up with a new plan, Jack, and it better not be relying on that compass. The whole crew knows it ain't worked since you was saved from the gallows.

then it says....gibbs moves off. Jack grimaces, glances at the compass, focuses back on the doorway...

And who comes through the doorway, unknown to him...Elizabeth Swann.

Bravo! It's about someone in the movies realized that compass is nothing but trouble and I'm glad it was Gibbs. So then they don't do that "I'm here to find the man I love" exchange at the dock if this scene had been left in? They said in the commentary they played with a lot of ways to get her to Tortuga, but here's my concern.

They said Jack knows she's coming because of where the compass is pointing!

1. If he wants her but doesn't want to want her, he should be used to the compass going around in all sorts of directions. It should be impossible for him to decipher anything from it.

2. When he's doing his "I know what I want," it doesn't show him really reacting to anything the compass is doing. I think if it showed you something you'd look up to see what it was.

3. If he knew she was coming, wouldn't he have been less surprised to see her at the dock? He's shocked that she's there, so much that he turns back around to say, "hide the rum" on like an impulse.

I have to disagree with T&T's analysis here.

you are so right..they contradict themselves so much...and each other constantly...like the longboat scene...one says the compass is pointing to what's it's been pointing to the whole time for Jack (i.e, Elizabeth) and the other one says it may have pointed to land...go figure....

That compass is nothing but trouble...i tell you..trouble...who would have ever thought that a compass that doesn't point North could cause so much trouble....and confusion.....

And that is why I think DMC is a poorly done movie. I'm sorry, I'm grateful for the J/E, but it's so sloppy and all over the place. No wonder most people think J/E is nothing but lust.

Hell even I did before coming on the internet.

The only flaw of DMC was the compass. Ted and Terry argue alot on weather is what you want most in this world or your hearts true desire.
Plus, I don't remember who, but one of them said that the compass was actually pointing to Will at the beach scene. Which is incorrect--they are brilliant writers. But they are not perfect.

I took pics of the beach scene and meassured the distance between Jack and Will. So the compass was not pointing to Will.

I never heard that the compass was pointing to Will. When did they say that?

I don't recall. I remember that it didn't point to Jack on the island, always the chest, but she thought it was and got pissed off. But Jack figured out the triangulation, (He's smart!) LOL

^^ It was mentioned over at kttc.com

Shit, I forget to go there. I'm a member there also. But a long time ago the compass thing was an issue. And, I think it was Terry, mentioned that the compass was pointed to Will bla bla.

I respect Terry he is brilliant, but hes not perfect nor I'm a suck up lol. Ted and Terry argue alot about the compass.

Originally posted by Chiki Mina
^^ It was mentioned over at kttc.com

Shit, I forget to go there. I'm a member there also. But a long time ago the compass thing was an issue. And, I think it was Terry, mentioned that the compass was pointed to Will bla bla.

I respect Terry he is brilliant, but hes not perfect nor I'm a suck up lol. Ted and Terry argue alot about the compass.

I'm not questioning you LOL, but are you 100% sure. Because I have never heard that, nor have I heard anyone else ever mention that. sure I've heard people speculate that before the DVD commentary came out, but I never head it proven true.

Is it possible that you can find where he said that and post it?

That makes me sick to my stomach actually... 😘

In fact...there was a thread about it here. A while ago. I had to take pics in order to show where the compass was really pointing.

Originally posted by lovethemtigers
yeah...watch that scene...it is very suggestive...so funny....and i love how he smiles and says "how much more"....and watches her fondling the top of that rum bottle..classic, really..and she is so niave...

Yeah...here is a screencap from that deleted scene where she is caressing the bottle of rum..and he's like "how much more"... 😆

and another screencap of it...

I've never heard the compass was pointing to Will the whole time. I thought the writers say in the commentary it's been pointing to the chest the whole time and it's just because of where Liz is in proximity to it that she goes in a little triangle and assumes it doesn't work. Remember, at first she got manipulated that she wanted the chest most of all, not Will.

The compass needs to go. It would have been so much simpler if the compass showed you what you ASKED it to show you, like "where is the heart of Davy Jones," etc. It would have made the audience actually think about the J/E relationship rather than being slapped in the face with the fact that it goes screwy every time they both touch it.

I have nothing else to say about the compass other than it's bloddy annoying.