Originally posted by RemulousI would think beings who are powerful enough to destroy planets can handle those two.
-It all depends. Can any of them beat Black Heart and the Hulk at the same time?Who the f**k is "The Presence"? (That sound s dumb as hell)😆
The Presence is the supreme ruler of the DC universe who holds unlimited power, knows everything, and is invincible.
Originally posted by Cloud_VIIAnd he's not a game character, unfortunately for you. 😉 He's a DC character linked to Spectre.
The Presence would take the entire Darkstalkers universe out of existence 😉
No need to continue having a hard time with the fact that Hayabusa can lose. It's not really that big a deal to say your character loses. Perhaps you'll get better with it when you're here longer though.
In case you didn't know, I brought that up since remulous mentioned Marvel characters who have nothing to do with videogames, either.
I've said on many occasions that Hayabusa would lose. It's only sad that a few insignificant DOA/NG haters persist on downplaying the super ninja and disregard facts about NG. It's also sad that some would go as far as to say Akuma can overcome characters who can wipe out planets in seconds.
Originally posted by Cloud_VIII feel sorry for those people that hate that media... I think it's a good media.
In case you didn't know, I brought that up since remulous mentioned Marvel characters who have nothing to do with videogames, either.I've said on many occasions that Hayabusa would lose. It's only sad that a few insignificant DOA/NG haters persist on downplaying the super ninja and disregard facts about NG. It's also sad that some would go as far as to say Akuma can overcome characters who can wipe out planets in seconds.
Honestly I don't see anyone who doesn't think the guy isn't awesome, I just don't think anyone think he's a god. I think you defend him because you feel he doesn't get enough respect, which is fine, but some arguments are just lost from the start doing that. 😬
Originally posted by Cloud_VIIThe Marvel characters I mentioned are in Video games and Cyber Gouki originated in a video game and he just so happens to be able to beat a few Marvel characters.
In case you didn't know, I brought that up since remulous mentioned Marvel characters who have nothing to do with videogames, either.
The point is, Hayabusa can not beat Gouki! Until this guy can survive getting hit by something stronger then a comet I think he will lose. Gouki was on ground level and jumped into space. how can you even deny the fact that Hayabusa is not capable of such feats, he can't even bust a small mountain.
How is he gonna beat Gouki, how?
Originally posted by RemulousIf it's a non-canon crossover, why are you using it in the first place? That doesn't even matter for saying that Akuma can overcome characters who can destroy planets in seconds is taking it too far. That's fanboyism in the best example.
The Marvel characters I mentioned are in Video games and Cyber Gouki originated in a video game and he just so happens to be able to beat a few Marvel characters.The point is, Hayabusa can not beat Gouki! Until this guy can survive getting hit by something stronger then a comet I think he will lose. Gouki was on ground level and jumped into space. how can you even deny the fact that Hayabusa is not capable of such feats, he can't even bust a small mountain.
How is he gonna beat Gouki, how?
Show me where I've argued Hayabusa holds more power than Akuma does. Secondly, Ryu was able to overcome an opponent who can perform feats ten times better than those that Akuma has accomplished, with a really, really powerful weapon. Akuma holds more strength than Hayabusa. Does that mean Akuma is invulnerable to the True Dragon Sword? I don't think so. As far as I'm concerned, it took the power of a weapon of that sort to take down the Holy Vigoor Emperor, who could easily destroy Akuma.
And since you like to use non-canon feats, I'll just mention with the Dark Dragon Blade, Ryu becomes the Devil. Oh yeah, the Devil who owns the Dark Dragon, who holds the power of an evil deity. Secondly, with the Dark Dragon Blade, he can take people out of existence in one blow. That is capable of killing Akuma, no doubt.
i don't recall cyber gouki having much feats in endings but i'll just use regular version.
gouki destroyed a comet in space with a hadouken in fighting jam.
sf3 gouki survived the bottom of an ocean for extended periods of time and sent a submarine and sunken ship to the surface easily.
developed a technique that splits a mountain in half perfectly
sfa3-sunked an island with 1 punch in an alternate time line, which is the same version as his canon self
pre-sf series- developped a technique which sends people to hell easily.
sfa anime-split all the statues with his ki alone without projecting any or seemingly being in the area
sfa generations- just stood there and took all of ryu's attacks just to show that all his attacks are worthless.
Now where has ryu split a mountain efforlessly even with his best sword
Originally posted by Cloud_VII-Rather you like it or not, he is STILL A VIDEO GAME CHARACTER who is playable. What planets have any of the people you named destroyed, when have they ever even unleashed attacks capable of doing so?
If it's a non-canon crossover, why are you using it in the first place? That doesn't even matter for saying that Akuma can overcome characters who can destroy planets in seconds is taking it too far. That's fanboyism in the best example.Show me where I've argued Hayabusa holds more power than Akuma does. Secondly, Ryu was able to overcome an opponent who can perform feats ten times better than those that Akuma has accomplished, with a really, really powerful weapon. Akuma holds more strength than Hayabusa. Does that mean Akuma is invulnerable to the True Dragon Sword? I don't think so. As far as I'm concerned, it took the power of a weapon of that sort to take down the Holy Vigoor Emperor, who could easily destroy Akuma.
And since you like to use non-canon feats, I'll just mention with the Dark Dragon Blade, Ryu becomes the Devil. Oh yeah, the Devil who owns the Dark Dragon, who holds the power of an evil deity. Secondly, with the Dark Dragon Blade, he can take people out of existence in one blow. That is capable of killing Akuma, no doubt.
-Hayabusa used a plot device. The TDS is like the only thing that can hurt Vigor emperor. That's no feat, It's like Lex using Kryptonite against Superman. What comets, mountains or islands has the holy Vigor destroyed?
-You are showing your fanboyism by stating that Hayabusa can beat a guy who can crush ships with one kick. Lets get real! With out that sword Hayabusa VS Gouki wouldn't even be a light work out for Gouki.
Originally posted by lightnessFeats that seem not to matter against beings who hold more than enough power to wipe out entire worlds.
i don't recall cyber gouki having much feats in endings but i'll just use regular version.gouki destroyed a comet in space with a hadouken in fighting jam.
sf3 gouki survived the bottom of an ocean for extended periods of time and sent a submarine and sunken ship to the surface easily.
developed a technique that splits a mountain in half perfectly
sfa3-sunked an island with 1 punch in an alternate time line, which is the same version as his canon self
pre-sf series- developped a technique which sends people to hell easily.
sfa anime-split all the statues with his ki alone without projecting any or seemingly being in the area
sfa generations- just stood there and took all of ryu's attacks just to show that all his attacks are worthless.
Now where has ryu split a mountain efforlessly even with his best sword
Oh, and nowhere has Akuma demonstrated durability against a demonic weapon that takes people out of existence in one blow.
Originally posted by RemulousWhether you like it or not, the Marvel characters in Marvel vs. Capcom are not connected to their original incarnations, so you can't bring up any of the Marvel characters since they're completely different versions from the characters in the crossover.
-Rather you like it or not, he is STILL A VIDEO GAME CHARACTER who is playable. What planets have any of the people you named destroyed, when have they ever even unleashed attacks capable of doing so?-Hayabusa used a plot device. The TDS is like the only thing that can hurt Vigor emperor. That's no feat, It's like Lex using Kryptonite against Superman. What comets, mountains or islands has the holy Vigor destroyed?
-You are showing your fanboyism by stating that Hayabusa can beat a guy who can crush ships with one kick. Lets get real! With out that sword Hayabusa VS Gouki wouldn't even be a light work out for Gouki.
The TDS holds the power to take down the Vigoor Emperor. You clearly know nothing about the TDS to start arguing against it. Just the presence of The Vigoor Emperor turned a seemingly endless garden into a hellish battleground. He holds the power of an evil deity who can destory the world and recreate it. All of these are canon facts. That's far more impressive than anything Akuma's capable of.
Speaking of fanboyism, you're the one saying Akuma can beat people who hold enough power to wipe out planets in one attack. Secondly, I agree Akuma would kill Hayabusa in an H2H match. However with the TDS, Ryu is capable of killing Akuma, since this type of weapon holds enough power to take down opponents who are much, much more powerful than Akuma.
Originally posted by Tha C-MasterI never said Cyber Gouki isn't a game character. I'm saying that he's not canonical to the Marvel universe, nor is any of the Marvel characters in Marvel vs. Capcom. Talk about him as you like, but you cannot say since he can defeat Hulk in the crossover, he can beat the Hulk from Marvel. Oh, and he still couldn't beat any of the characters I mentioned on the other page.
This isn't making sense, Cyber Gouki is a game character and can be used here, just like characters like Onslaught have, and have before pretty much anyone on this page even joined. So if they don't like it, that's tough.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
I feel sorry for those people that hate that media... I think it's a good media.Honestly I don't see anyone who doesn't think the guy isn't awesome, I just don't think anyone think he's a god. I think you defend him because you feel he doesn't get enough respect, which is fine, but some arguments are just lost from the start doing that. 😬
I would say some arguments are lost from the start because some poster's genuine hate for the series/char makes it hard to think he's respected. Heck we've got one guy claiming DOA characters won't beat SFers/KOFers simply because 2d games are better in his opinion. Do you have any idea how that can get a little annoying?
Originally posted by Remulous
-Rather you like it or not, he is STILL A VIDEO GAME CHARACTER who is playable. What planets have any of the people you named destroyed, when have they ever even unleashed attacks capable of doing so?-Hayabusa used a plot device. The TDS is like the only thing that can hurt Vigor emperor. That's no feat, It's like Lex using Kryptonite against Superman. What comets, mountains or islands has the holy Vigor destroyed?
-You are showing your fanboyism by stating that Hayabusa can beat a guy who can crush ships with one kick. Lets get real! With out that sword Hayabusa VS Gouki wouldn't even be a light work out for Gouki.
Wrong. The TDS is not the only thing that can hurt Vigoor. It is the only weapon that can rival the Dark Dragon Blade.
By the way Vigoor doesn't need to destroy comets, mountains or islands for he has already done this:
The book of evil deitiess: The ancestor of all Evil Deities, Vigoor, began to devour the territory of Gurdu, beginning at its center. During endless solar and lunar eclipses, the earth shook and split, the seas dried up only to flood into existence again, and intense winds swept over everything, and fires burned down all of existence ignoring even the concept of time itself. Eventually Gurdu lost his strength, and the world once again plunged into the chaos from which it had come.
Stop using the term fanboy, please. We can all be accused of being an x/y fanboy and it doesn't really help arguments.
Agreed. We've all agreed Ryu will lose to Akuma hand to hand.
Why is it that any thread with a DOA character vs anyone turns into a Hayabusa thread?
For the record Remulous, noone here thinks Hayabusa can beat Akuma in hand to hand.
Originally posted by Superboy Prime
Heck we've got one guy claiming DOA characters won't beat SFers/KOFers simply because 2d games are better in his opinion. Do you have any idea how that can get a little annoying?
Originally posted by Cloud_VIIWhat's your point? You're bringing up other people to draw fire away from the fact that YOUR character can be beaten?
I never said Cyber Gouki isn't a game character. I'm saying that he's not canonical to the Marvel universe, nor is any of the Marvel characters in Marvel vs. Capcom. Talk about him as you like, but you cannot say since he can defeat Hulk in the crossover, he can beat the Hulk from Marvel. Oh, and he still couldn't beat any of the characters I mentioned on the other page.
It's like someone saying someone else can win in a fistfight and you saying "well then he could just shoot him and win", it's pretty childish don't you think?
FTR, crossovers are HORRIBLE evidence, Batman beat Hulk in a crossover.
Originally posted by Superboy PrimeI agree, but there are still more people who hate on SF as we've seen anyways. The only reason this turns into a Hayabusa thing all of the time is because someone is sore and uses it to draw fire away from the main point.
I would say some arguments are lost from the start because some poster's genuine hate for the series/char makes it hard to think he's respected. Heck we've got one guy claiming DOA characters won't beat SFers/KOFers simply because 2d games are better in his opinion. Do you have any idea how that can get a little annoying?
It reminds me of those Wolverine fanboys who always bring up Spiderman in an unrelated thread.