And as for the things I didn't answer (Because the ****ing mouse broke, kmc's stupid 15 minute editing rule, and my Goddamn surroundings!!!)
-Ryu does not need a technique to run on water, nowhere has that ever been stated.
-Naruto has no relevance to this debate and he's not hayabusa
-If Asura Senku has never been shown outside of gameplay, how do you know it's quick?
-And shungoukusatsu is not the end all of all fights, he has to hit hayabusa with it.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
I'm sure he's not looking for an easy way out, he doesn't want to waste his time arguing it anymore, because it's not even on topic for Christ's sake.
I don't think he did it to stop wasting time arguing it because it isn't on topic...if anything it seems he is trying to discredit Cloud's argument. And I agree it is out of topic. Someone should just cut the crap and make a Gouki vs Hayabusa thread. As a matter of fact I'm doing it.
Originally posted by Superboy Prime
I don't think he did it to stop wasting time arguing it because it isn't on topic...if anything it seems he is trying to discredit Cloud's argument. And I agree it is out of topic. Someone should just cut the crap and make a Gouki vs Hayabusa thread. As a matter of fact I'm doing it.
I Wasn'ttrying to discredit anything, if anything discredits Clouds arguments now, it's Asthar saying that the swords don't provide Haya with ther power-boost it takes to take on world killers.
Mostly I'm walking because one guy has been saying for ages that the swords posess "unfathomable" powers, and nowAstharissaying it'sall Haya's skill, I'M notgoing to waist my time arguing statements that have been refuted countlesstimes even by a pro Hayabusa debator (Cloud).
And yes, this thread (Along with about half a dozen others) has been railroaded by these circular debates
Originally posted by Cloud_VII
Let me enlighten you guys up a bit. The Dark Dragon Blade has been growing in power since the dawn of history. The Dark Dragon is on par with an evil deity and it's power grows indefinitely. That's the kind of power that's contained within the Dark Dragon Blade. This is why it's stated the Dark Dragon Blade holds unfathomable power. This weapon is so powerful it not only kills people but takes them out of existence.The TDS is ALSO stated to hold unfathomable power as it proved to be more of a match for the Dark Dragon Blade. That kind of weapon could kill the Holy Vigoor Emperor, nuff said. That opponent would obliterate Akuma no matter how much Gouki fans wanted to believe he could win. The Emperor in NG was infused with all the power of the evil deities who could destroy the Earth. Not only that, he was drawing off the power contained within the Dark Dragon Blade so he also possessed the power of the Dark Dragon. Technically, he could just crush Akuma in his hands, or destroy the land underneath him and then send him to the core of the earth where he would obviously melt.
Here is Clouds argument Asthar,this directly refutes your claim that Haya's powers with the swords are his own.
I believe he was saying Ryu's power and skill is his without the sword, which is correct. Unarmed, he can't take down the Vigoor Emperor even if she/he wasn't using the Dark Dragon Blade, since he/she possessed the power of the evil deities which can destroy the Earth. Secondly, the Dark Dragon's power rivals that of Vigoor's, so it should be obvious why Ryu should use the True Dragon Sword against the Vigoor Emperor and the Devil Incarnate. Oh, and I don't see where Ashtar stated that Ryu can take these beings down without his primary weapon.
All of Ryu's energy attacks, spells, fighting skills, etc. are his. Also, Ryu's much more powerful than just a human, and his strength comes from training.
Originally posted by Emperor AshtarThat was his argument. Nowhere did he state that Ryu can take down world-killers with his bare hands. In fact, he said that Ryu must use the sword against the Dark Dragon Blade, and the reason for that is the power of the Dark Dragon isn't rivaled by anything other than the power of the Dragon Lineage, which in ancient times, consisted of Thirteen Dragons who waged an endless battle against Vigoor.
No, they are not. His weapons have no magical properties whatsoever. All his essence attacks are Hayabusa's skill. The only weapon that is a plot device is the True Dragon Blade because it allows him to fight against the Dark Dragon Blade. It's only for the Dark Dragon Blade.
The point here is that the sword doesn't give Ryu any new powers or techniques. All of Ryu's powers and abilities are his with or without the weapon.
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Your whole argument against Akuma was that Ryu took down world killers... With the swords, now Emp thinks Ryu's power comesentirely from himself, even the power to take on the world killers...Which is it? 😠
I guess I must repeat myself.
True Dragon Blade allows ryu to fight the Dark Dragon Blade & Strengthens the blade That's it.
And, as for ryu fighting world killers in H2H, his weapons have no special properties, it's all him so it wouldn't be far fetched to say he would stand a chance. Especially considering he has ninpo's and projectiles.