Batdude's Tourney Final!!!

DarkCrawler’s Post #3.

Debating for the characters All-Star Superman and The Keeper

The misconception continues.

1. Again, our teams stealth. AND the hammer thingy

They still keep saying that they are going to notice our characters. This is simply insane. Not only they don’t know AT ALL in which direction, which place we are, or where in middle of the limitless number of the atoms we are. They have no way of picking up our location with their senses. They say that they will pick up us from the sight…WE ARE ATOM-SIZED. Is it really believable that they pick up one small place in middle of infinite number of atoms through the ENTIRE PLANET?! With nothing but their sight?! They don’t even know where to start, much less the exact location where to look.

Besides, no, it's not the same as just a black place. We bend and repel energy in the same way that Invisible Woman does to light. Only we do it to ALL energy, so AL types of sight will just result to you seeing nothing. If you would look at us, you would not see "a black point", you would see what is behind us.

And they say they can do this all before we teleport the hammer. Wisdom of Solomon isn’t dependant on the knowledge Solomon had during it life, it tells us EVERYTHING we need to know. How else could Wisdom of Solomon help Billy Batson in a modern school test? Talk about things he has never encountered before? Help him with stuff about cosmic entities? Like said, it is a full blown cosmic awareness, and we also have Keeper’s natural cosmic awareness and the cosmic awareness the Quantum Bands give him. And Keeper knows Thor very well.

We WILL find Thor the INSTANT as we enter the battlefield. They can’t say the same. We WILL teleport his hammer away the 000000000000000001.th second we spot him, and they have NO MEANS of stopping it. They really DON'T get our reaction speeds, we have All-Star Superman AND Silver Surfer AND Captain Marvel COMBINED.

Our magic buffs aren’t gone anywhere.

Besides, even if the hammer would by some crazy coincidence even finish one spin before our characters port it away (it wont), all they are doing is to block our access to the powers. They aren’t removing anything permanently, as soon as the hammer stopped spinning, Juggernaut was fine. We can either teleport it away mid-spin, or just fly away from the hammer-circle.

And yeah, Juggernaut did follow it with his eyes. Look at the picture.

You finding us and throwing a hammer takes a hell more time then it takes for us to find Thor and just teleport it away.

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2. All-Star Superman potion and yes, we will have that.

First of all, the whole robot was MADE and PROGRAMMED by All-Star Superman so he knows all the things the robot does, just wasn’t doing it because he was entertaining Lois Lane. The Superman robots are VERY simple, not freaking supercomputers. The idea was his. The DNA was scanned by him. The chemicals made by him. He knows EVERYTHING needed to make the potion, no matter how you try to twist it.

It’s just that because of Keeper’s ability to DO that everything in the span of few seconds it takes WAAY less time. You ARE aware that he can absorb and process information that would take A MILLENIUM to understand in the span of MILLISECONDS, right? That is more powerful then any supercomputer ever created.
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We are having the serum. There is really no way that you can change it.

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3. Teleporting.

Sandu-esque powers were shown to teleport from Earth to Moon easily. That’s close to 300,000 miles. He did that EASILY, with a single thought. There is no reason to expect that our characters could not do far more, with far more ease, and because of or reaction speeds (which are literally billions of times faster), with far, far more speed.

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3. Uni-Power. No, they still don’t have enough knowledge to use it correctly.

First of all, it is true that Warlock soul-linked with Strange. I forgot that.

However, the time Strange encountered Uni-Power was extremely short phase in his life (seconds), and even during that time they Uni-Power transferred no information to him, he melded with Commander Arcturus Rann and used RANN'S knowledge of the Enigma Force to do the stuff they did in one page. Strange has never referred into Uni-Power or Captain Universe after that, and he doesn’t have super memory or anything.

It is ridicolous to assume that they have any more then knowledge of Uni-Power’s existence and again, definitely ZERO information what it is like to be Uni-Power itself. All they would have is to what it is to like to be Captain Universe. Which doesn’t help them in turning and using the Uni-Power ITSELF. Space Phantom will be lost without the knowledge about what it is like to be Uni-Power.

And the scan they posted was from Guardians of the Galaxy, far after Warlock Soul Linked with Strange.

And they are trying to claim that through this encounter they get COMPLETE understanding of Uni-Power, and achieve the optimal conditions with entirely different mind in it that doesn’t know jack shit about how to move as an energy globule, much less succeed perfectly in giving powers to someone.

As soon as Space Phantom turns into Uni-Power (which there again, is no proof that he can, see below), he will probably fall down the ground or dissipate in the air or something. Again, it’s like replacing a mind of NASA supercomputer with 2-year old and expecting it to do massive and complicated calculations.

Simply insane.

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Now, let me quote one of their posts to prove my point again.

It's nothing like that, GL rings and co are not living beings.

Neither is Uni-Power…the comparison was PERFECT, actually.

All are not true sentient beings, simply something programmed by their respective creators, like computers. Green Lantern Rings have surprisingly informative discussion with Hal and co., but they are simply creations of the Guardians, PROGRAMMED to do different things. Power Cosmic has manifested with sentience multiple times, but it’s still just energy, nothing else. Phoenix Force is again, capable of very in-depth discussions actually capable of mimicking a human, but deep down, it is something doing a set, programmed mission that was given to it by it’s creator,

Uni-Power is nothing different. It’s simply part of the Enigma Force, programmed to do set mission (help people in need and give powers to them) and it is also programmed to give information to it’s wearers, and again, is capable of in-depth discussion. But it’s not a true sentient being. It’s no different of when Power Cosmic gives its holders power, Phoenix Force endows Jean Grey with powers, Green Lantern rings give amazing powers to its wearer and so on.

HELL, in its couple of first appearances, Uni-Power did not even HAVE sentience.

Uni-Power is not true sentient being. EVERY transformation of Space Phantom thus far has been a humanoid, flesh and blood with mind of its own. Uni-Power is, again, 100% different then anything Space Phantom has turned into before. His bio even says that he turns into mortal beings (which he thus far has).

You have to bring more proof to the table then what you have thus far. As a help, I have compiled a summary of what you exactly need to prove:

A) Show proof that Space Phantom can turn into a being with no true sentience (as in “it”, not “him” or “her”) and which has never shown any shred of true sentience, and is actually just part of energy force, and a floating energy globule to boot, so no humanoid form.

B) Show that he is capable of being able to settle into NON-human form and being able to control that forms movement, as it is something completely and utterly different then ANYTHING, ANYTHING he has turned into before.

C) Show enough proof that your characters have complete and perfect understanding of the Uni-Power’s every single delicate and unstable ability, and you can achieve THE perfect empowering to a character it has never encountered before, with different mind controlling it.

That’s all.

4. Them transmuting our Uru Skin – hey, are you seeing something wrong here?

Only character that direct matter manipulation was allowed into was Absorbing Man, a fact that you yourselves flaunted quite lot in your match. Our Uru isn’t going anywhere.

Try again, sorry guys.

Blair Wind Post #4

Well well, seems that we have some confusion as to what is taking place and what is not taking place. Lets try and clear some of that up now shall we?

Our Stealth

As DC has just said, we are totally covered. Only Warlock on the opposing team can say the same. We were hidden in atoms, how would you find us? Do you realize how much space you would have to look through before we just do our initial attack to your obvious and oblivious Thunder God?

Moving on to the fact that Thor is just standing around doing nothing, we can all agree that our boards made their way to his head. The TP/TK attack hurt. AND we teleported the hammer that they need as a crutch in this match. Which leads us to the hammer topic

Hammer and Black Alice

That same hammer that will what, spin around the whole entire planet of Apokalips? When Thor only had it spin around a few buildings in the fight with Juggs? Besides, why would your three members take the Uncalculating risk of throwing their most powerful weapon away just IN CASE some of our member's are magical? Most blatant abuse of pre-battle knowledge ever.

New Tactics?
Now, you guys are not the only one's with other ideas for the way things can go. Teleporting the hammer is a much easier thing to do, but if push comes to shove? Black Alice can take control of the hammer. Wow. A bold statement, I know what you are thinking. However let us put this in perspective:
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Black Alice took control of the Helmet of Fate, stemming from the power of Nabu, the most powerful Lord of Order in the 9th magical age, (akin to Thor's Hammer, coming from the power of Odin). What was the most impressive part? The Helmet resisted, and she still took control over it. AND IT WAS WITH HER OWN MAGICAL POWERS. Not someone's stolen power. Her own! The only reason she gave it up is because it started doing all the things she wanted, and she then realized she did not really want that to happen.

She really does have more magical powers then just stealing powers. She can make extremely high powered magical artifacts do her bidding and give her dominion.

And if you REALLY want to push us towards it, we can simply have Black Alice turn into Dargo again. Why? Because Dargo actually uses 616 Mjolnir. What does that mean? Your weapon is suddenly ours. Don't like it when your own tactics bite you in the ass do you? In all honesty I should have done this from the beginning, but I thought that lassoing Space Phantom was more important. Which means that right after we teleport it far away, lasso up Thor (under the very ill assumption that SP is IN him), and depower them both, killing SP (all in all should take 20 seconds tops with our combined speed and teleporting ability) Black Alice can take the form of Dargo again taking away your mighty hammer. I have not broken any rules, as I cannot turn into your Thor, but it just so happens I can steal your hammer.

We simply have more options than you do in how we take you out. You want variety, there it is. I doubt you can say the same on the type of things you can do.

Established Battle Plan
As it is, we have already established the fact that Superman is teleporting your hammer away from you, before you get a good swing in to send it on its way. Wonder Woman has you lassoed up, and reverted you to your original power levels. No one can argue that this will not happen. Sorry bucko's but we can teleport the hammer. Even if you tried magical lighting to take out our Superman, (which I do not understand...because well: ) We have Uru armour. And that is there because of Keeper's manipulation of the metal itself. It is not dependent on Black Alice. Neither is the Hell metal.

We have the surprise attack advantage. We have you out thought from the very beginning. Which leads us to detection of your prized Warlock (surprise of the day: )

The Soul Link

Now heres comes the most interesting part of the battle. You profess that your Warlock is entirely undetectable, and that no one will know he is there. HOWEVER, seeing as Surfer and Warlock have soul linked, and if AW claims to have all the knowledge of SS from the soul link (enough to try and control SS's boards), doesn't that work BOTH ways?!? Could not Keeper locate even an undetectable AW because Keeper knows "all that is Adam Warlock" because of what SS learned during the link?

Really guys, your just GIVING us the ammo to use against you guys. 😂

Thoughts

Our battle plan has taken precedence due to several contributing factors:

1) We are in the microverse and completely cloaked from detection

2) Their Thor was not cloaked

3) They have yet to defend the fact that the surboards made their way to their brains, ear drums, and other vital organs. Or defend against the onslaught of a massive telepathic and telekinetic attack

4) We have more than one way of taking out the mighty Hammer. Push comes to shove? We have the more powerful Magic User, and she will do whatever it takes to win. With three options available to us to use, we can do more in terms of variety to freshen things up.

5) A gate swings both ways. Just as the knowledge of the almighty Soul Link goes both ways.

6) With all this in play:
the doubtful fact that they have even turned into Uni-Power,
the fact that they are trying to pull a preemptive while we have already found them and teleport the hammer away,
the first strike is ours,
the Magical Lasso depowers your team,
Keeper detects Warlock,
the hammer is taken by our team,
Things have taken a definitive turn for the worse for your team

Final Notes

We simply have more options in play than you do. We have taken control of the fight since the very beginning, and ignoring certain facts will not make that fact go away. Your Thor was not cloaked, and it will cost you. Our whole team was in hiding, and we used that fact to its full potential. You cannot beat the combined power of our team, and the tactical advantages our weapons give us.

In short? We win, you lose, I think its time you give up 🙂
Or as someone once said: Hell, I could make a case for us winning at purely base levels. Our power meshes *and superior tactics* just make this a non-fight....they're done, plain and simple. 😖hifty:

Post #3 - Uni-Thor

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
They have no way of picking up our location with their senses.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
We bend and repel energy in the same way that Invisible Woman does to light.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
And they say they can do this all before we teleport the hammer.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Wisdom of Solomon isn’t dependant on the knowledge Solomon had during it life, it tells us EVERYTHING we need to know.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
They really DON'T get our reaction speeds

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
if the hammer would by some crazy coincidence even finish one spin before our characters port it away (it wont), all they are doing is to block our access to the powers. They aren’t removing anything permanently.

Once the powers are removed they would have to be re-given as none of the add-ons you have are natural to your characters. BA can only be 2 people per fight, there's no way they can return during the fight.

That doesn't really matter though as the hammer will be spinning constantly while we annihilate your magic-less team.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
He knows EVERYTHING needed to make the potion

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
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Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Sandu-esque powers were shown to teleport from Earth to Moon easily. That’s close to 300,000 miles.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Neither is Uni-Power…the comparison was PERFECT, actually.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
I have compiled a summary of what you exactly need to prove:
A) Show proof that Space Phantom can turn into a being with no true sentience

As the Uni-Power is alive and sentient, I'm not sure why this is relevant. ... meh.

Iron Man's armour - http://img505.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spzl9.jpg

Power supplies, wiring, magnetic repulsors ... all definitely not alive or sentient. Next.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
B) Show that he is capable of being able to settle into NON-human form and being able to control that forms movement.

3. http://img453.imageshack.us/my.php?image=67134116ef0.jpg

Sandman is SP there.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
C) Show enough proof that your characters have complete and perfect understanding of the Uni-Power’s every single delicate and unstable ability, and you can achieve THE perfect empowering to a character it has never encountered before, with different mind controlling it.

We have all of the Uni-Power's powers, all it has to do to bond with a person is float into them.

1. http://img400.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captainuniversedaredevizk0.jpg
2. http://img502.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captainuniversedaredeviea2.jpg

3. http://img502.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captainuniversehulk117oo3.jpg

4. http://img504.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captainuniversess123zw1.jpg

As for knowledge ... The Uni-Power doesn't even have to go willingly to turn a regular type guy into a herald level character:

1. http://img502.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captainuniversess106uh4.jpg
2. http://img502.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captainuniversess107yo5.jpg

Simply entering the body is enough to massively magnify a person's abilities.

Why don't you show AS Superman giving his serum to lots of different people? or Black Alice sharing Shazam's power? or a Black Alice taking the powers of a Marvel character?

Space Phantom has a decent level of understanding of every being he abducts ... the above scans show proof of a few occasions of that.

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Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Only character that direct matter manipulation was allowed into was Absorbing Man, a fact that you yourselves flaunted quite lot in your match. Our Uru isn’t going anywhere.

But if that's not allowed we can just transform their clothes into adamantium ... the results will be the same.

And even if we don't do that, unenchanted Uru has been shown to be considerably weaker than Mjolnir, Thor has carved it with nothing but his fingers, breaking it wont be a problem.
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Originally posted by Blair Wind
why would your three members take the Uncalculating risk of throwing their most powerful weapon away just IN CASE some of our member's are magical?

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Black Alice can take control of the hammer.
Black Alice took control of the Helmet of Fate, stemming from the power of Nabu, the most powerful Lord of Order in the 9th magical age

If you're now claiming This level of power for BA then you're blatantly going over the below Thanos limit for individual characters.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
And if you REALLY want to push us towards it, we can simply have Black Alice turn into Dargo again.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Why? Because Dargo actually uses 616 Mjolnir. What does that mean? Your weapon is suddenly ours.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Superman is teleporting your hammer away

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Wonder Woman has you lassoed up

Originally posted by Blair Wind
We have the surprise attack advantage.

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Originally posted by Blair Wind
They have yet to defend the fact that the surboards made their way to their brains

Also, Thor's durability x 50 + Surfer's durability x 25 + Captain Universe durability = your boards couldn't leave a scratch even if they could get near us.

Digi Post #4

First! On the "Warlock is Pissed!" Tour. We take back our board trick, by exposing BW/DC's faulty debating tactics.

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BW/DC only used the FIRST scan, where Surfer is indeed unconscious. But I refer you to the second scan.

Surfer: "We're traveling on my surfboard. And you're controlling it!!!"

Traveling. As in, present tense. As in, Surfer's awake, conscious of what's going on, and possessed of his faculties and powers. And Warlock is STILL controlling it.

What does these mean?

It means we still have the boards. And at the very least, even if Surfer were to "fight" Warlock for control of them, Warlock is hindering the hell out of their entire team as they attempt to take control back. Imagine the boards suddenly getting a violent stomach ache, and are jostling all over the place. They can't fly, and anything they do will be hindered.

Advantage (big advantage) us!

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Originally posted by DarkCrawler
They still keep saying that they are going to notice our characters. This is simply insane. Not only they don’t know AT ALL in which direction, which place we are, or where in middle of the limitless number of the atoms we are. They have no way of picking up our location with their senses.

I'll use Scoob's analogy again, because it's a good one and bears repeating. They are making themselves "invisible" to everything, which would be like hiding something from Superman using lead. It would be the only place he can't see.

1. We have microscopic vision, and senses on par with theirs (Surfer).
2. Warlock is more undetectable than they are, because he can simply cease to be present to any known means when he chooses. You've seen the scans. So great, woopee! You're trying to be undetectable. But Warlock really is, and we'll obviously have the initiative.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Besides, no, it's not the same as just a black place. We bend and repel energy in the same way that Invisible Woman does to light. Only we do it to ALL energy, so AL types of sight will just result to you seeing nothing.

So you're saying Surfer couldn't detect IW? And that you're doing the same thing?

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Originally posted by DarkCrawler
We WILL find Thor the INSTANT as we enter the battlefield. They can’t say the same. We WILL teleport his hammer away the 000000000000000001.th second we spot him, and they have NO MEANS of stopping it.

Still missing the point. All our strategy is, is "throw". Yours is "detect Thor, realize that he's trying to block our magic, then pinpoint the hammer with our powers and teleport it before it cuts off our only chance at remaining competitive in this fight"

So, how is it again that all that will happen before Cpt. Universe Thor does his ultra-complex "throw" maneuver??

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Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Besides, even if the hammer would by some crazy coincidence even finish one spin before our characters port it away (it wont), all they are doing is to block our access to the powers. They aren’t removing anything permanently, as soon as the hammer stopped spinning, Juggernaut was fine. We can either teleport it away mid-spin, or just fly away from the hammer-circle.

The hammer is encircling the battlefield. Either you'd have to go too far away to matter in the fight, or you have to face us without your magic pwoers....those are the options. Both end in you guys losing.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
[b]2. All-Star Superman potion and yes, we will have that.

First of all, the whole robot was MADE and PROGRAMMED by All-Star Superman so he knows all the things the robot does, just wasn’t doing it because he was entertaining Lois Lane. The Superman robots are VERY simple, not freaking supercomputers. The idea was his. The DNA was scanned by him. The chemicals made by him. He knows EVERYTHING needed to make the potion, no matter how you try to twist it. [/B]

Sweet! So you're going to have Keeper make the robot to Supes' exact specifications, have Superman program it to make the potion, map out your entire teams DNA structure, make changes to the formula (and robot) for each team member, and make the potions!

In 20 minutes.

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Our power mesh whups the hell out of yours anyway, but I have to attack this sheerly on principle, because there's no way it's happening. At all.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
[b]3. Uni-Power.

First of all, it is true that Warlock soul-linked with Strange. I forgot that.[/B]

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Originally posted by DarkCrawler
However, the time Strange encountered Uni-Power was extremely short phase in his life (seconds), and even during that time they Uni-Power transferred no information to him, he melded with Commander Arcturus Rann and used RANN'S knowledge of the Enigma Force to do the stuff they did in one page. Strange has never referred into Uni-Power or Captain Universe after that, and he doesn’t have super memory or anything.

Back the train up. Strange has been Cpt. Universe for a brief time. Also, you don't need super-memory...all memories are transferred in the soul-link, so mererly the fact that it happened is more than enough for a strategic genius like Warlock. So even if it was a brief encounter, it means nothing. The Uni-Power has come into contact with Thor as well IIRC, but the Strange instance was more convenient to post.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
It is ridicolous to assume that they have any more then knowledge of Uni-Power’s existence and again, definitely ZERO information what it is like to be Uni-Power itself. All they would have is to what it is to like to be Captain Universe. Which doesn’t help them in turning and using the Uni-Power ITSELF. Space Phantom will be lost without the knowledge about what it is like to be Uni-Power.

All he's doing is floating into Thor. It's kinda hard to be "lost" doing that.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
All are not true sentient beings, simply something programmed by their respective creators, like computers.

And Scoob's scans shoot that to hell, since he's become non-sentient beings, as well as "non-humanoids".

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
A) Show proof that Space Phantom can turn into a being with no true sentience (as in “it”, not “him” or “her”) and which has never shown any shred of true sentience, and is actually just part of energy force, and a floating energy globule to boot, so no humanoid form.

Check.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
B) Show that he is capable of being able to settle into NON-human form and being able to control that forms movement.

Check again.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
C) Show enough proof that your characters have complete and perfect understanding of the Uni-Power’s every single delicate and unstable ability, and you can achieve THE perfect empowering to a character it has never encountered before, with different mind controlling it.

Floating? Check.

Hey! 3 for 3. Do we get an A?

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Over to Blair for a moment:

Originally posted by Blair Wind
We were hidden in atoms, how would you find us?

Warlock's hidden beyond reality. How you finding THAT? I think Warlockmania is runnin' wild over you and you just don't know what to do.

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Originally posted by Blair Wind
[b]Hammer

That same hammer that will what, spin around the whole entire planet of Apokalips? When Thor only had it spin around a few buildings in the fight with Juggs? [/B]

No, just the area of the fight. If you decide to fly away, we don't really care. But if you want to face us, you'll have no magic.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
[b]The Soul Link

Now heres comes the most interesting part of the battle. You profess that your Warlock is entirely undetectable, and that no one will know he is there. HOWEVER, seeing as Surfer and Warlock have soul linked, and if AW claims to have all the knowledge of SS from the soul link (enough to try and control SS's boards), doesn't that work BOTH ways?!? [/B]

In a word, no. Find me any evidence of this. Any. There isn't, because I've seen just about every Warlock appearence.

It's a one-way street. But nice try.

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And back to DC to drive the nail in the coffin:

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
[b]4. Them transmuting our Uru Skin – hey, are you seeing something wrong here?

Only character that direct matter manipulation was allowed into was Absorbing Man, a fact that you yourselves flaunted quite lot in your match. Our Uru isn’t going anywhere. [/B]

...can't...wait...to show....this...

Thor. At base level. Crushing Uru to dust with his bare hands.

I think a picture of a dog with a "pwned" sign or something would be appropriate here, but I can't be bothered.

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DigiMark Post #5

This post will be short, but has 2 important parts.

Both are explicitly to make it easier on the judges.

Part I. I will list, briefly and accurately, everything we have shown. Nothing will be speculation. It will be entirely strategies and scans that we have laid forth. The actual scans/strategies are laced throughout our posts....this is just a summary of it.

Part II. Scoob and I have been working on a short "equation" that summarizes the battle. It's worth posting.

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I.

- Warlock has hidden himself from an IG-wearer. He is undetectable until he strikes.
- We have shown Warlock controlling Surfer's (and thus Keeper's) board while he is conscious. Even if there's a struggle, this hinders them greatly.
- Warlock is easily the most skilled combatant in the fight
- We posess microscopic vision, our own cosmic awareness due to Surfer's power, and will detect them easily.
- Thor's magic-block is a proven technique. Their counter for it, dubious.
- We have shown that the Uni-Power enhances various attributes of a person, not just strength
- We have shown that we are aware of the Uni-Power via Warlock's soul-links with both Strange and now Thor.
- We have adamantium/vibranium armor
- We have shown Thor crushing Uru with his bare hands, the same stuff their armor is made of.
- We have shown that the Uni-Power is < Surfer at its base level
- We have shown SP becoming non-sentient beings (Iron Man's armor, Deathlok, etc.)
- We have shown SP becoming non-humanoid beings (Sandman. He also became a bird once)
- We have shown that it took a large amount of time and work to formulate an AS Superman potion for 1 person's specific DNA structure. They can't do it for Keeper at all, and doubtful for BA in 20 minutes.
- We have also shown that AS Supes' robot did much of the work, and thus they would need to replicate it as well for their plan to work.
- We have shown proof that we can share Surfer's power cosmic, and that the power will stay with our characters until we die or willingly give it up.
- We have shown ample evidence that the Uni-Power amps a person's power x50.
- We have Thor's massive lightning attack, which will drain AS Supes of his solar charge

That should about cover it. Please refer to any of our posts (and particularly Scoob and I's most recent ones) for extrapolation on these.

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II. The Equation

Keeper at peak = 70% Power Cosmic + AS Superman + 2/3 Captain Marvel + Magical TP/TK

Which is, at max, about 5 times regular Superman strength/durability level (at the most) + some decent energy powers, and mediocre TP + TK

Keeper is the only character they can boost to that level.

Warlock (our weakest) has himself + Firelord + Morg + (Surfer x 25)

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1 Herald boost is around 1 Superman in strength/durability

Any 2 heralds powers combined =/> Keeper

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Keeper = 5 x Superman + less than 2 full heralds worth of energy powers + TP/TK

Warlock = 25 x Superman and 27 heralds worth of energy + his own formidable powers

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That puts our weakest link so far over their strongest link that they aren't even close to the same weight class.

Now let's assume for a moment that our calculations are biased (they aren't, we're actually giving them the benefit of the doubt). Double Keeper's power in that equation. And Halve Warlock's. He's still more powerful.

....at this point, we've backed up everything. It took us a little time with a few things, but nothing should be in doubt. And our power mesh >>>>> theirs. Nuf' said.

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DarkCrawler’s Post #4.

Debating for the characters All-Star Superman and The Keeper

1. Our stealth and the hammer.

Again, they are claiming that they will find us. And they completely ignored what we said.

First of all, they say that they will be able to spot an “erratic pattern of energy”. This WOULD be true, it’s just that we are ATOM SIZED. They claim that in the 00000000000000.1th of second it takes us to teleport the hammer away, they are going to scan every single atom on the PLANET (as they don’t know WHERE in the planet we are) and are able to find us before we teleport it away with their microscopic vision only. Ridicolous. I don’t even need to elaborate on why it would not work; it’s such a crazy interpretation.

Oh, and they won’t have 25 times Surfer’ energy detection abilities. In fact they will not have any of their buffs, really. Something I will explain soon…

And no, Wisdom of Solomon isn’t tied into DC Universe or any particular universe as it works in alternate realities and dimensions. It simply tells Captain Marvel what he needs to know.

And even if the hammer had time to complete a spin, nothing is removed permanently, again. That scan shows only magic powers NOT WORKING in vicinity of the portal, not them being removed. It doesn’t take away anything. Just blocks them. The energy will still reside inside our characters, we just would not have access to it. However, consider when thor threw his hammer to negate Jugg's field and "cut him off from his magic" didn't juggs still retain his 'magical' strength??? Only the forcefield was gone. Hell he was still moving around even when Thor punched him. His durability was still high up their.

And no, it won’t “spin before we can do anything”, in the time it takes Thor to pull his hand back to throwing position it is already teleported away. Wisdom of Solomon, Cosmic awareness, psychic abilities. We spot them before they spot us. Or why not simply transmute the air around Thor's hand into an adhesive or solid metal so he can't throw the hammer in the first place? Our options are limitless, yours....not so much.

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2. Superman Potion.

Again, Superman made the computer. Superman made everything needed to do the potion. Because we have matter manipulator who can process infinite amount of knowledge in milliseconds and is also extremely intelligent, has the Quantum Bands to help us, and shares mind with All-Star Superman, and as they have superhuman reactions, AND are able to scan the genetic material in second, it will be done in matter of seconds. The reason why Superman, again, took so long, is because the time he needed to scan the DNA. The time it took to make the chemicals.

We can skip all that because we have a freaking matter manipulator of the highest order. Simple.

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3. Uru Armor.

Think again. All Thor did was to carve a hammer out of un-processed Uru ore that was mixed with other minerals. Unprocessed uru-ore is known to be pretty weak, as Uroc’s hand is made of it and got shattered.

Our Uru armor’s molecular structure is copied straight from Mjolnir. It’s not going anywhere.

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4. Herald sharing.

I don’t think they ever proved that other heralds powers can even be shared, much less that they stay when Space Phantom stops using them? They sure have lot of explaining to do in this area too. Not that it matters at all, because the next thing I put will simply make this matter meaningless.

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4. Uni-Power.

I’m just going to post one scan that makes everything discussed about Uni-Power here pointless. EVERYTHING. Here it is.

You saw it correctly. Space Phantom CAN’T. TURN. INTO. IMMORTALS. I'll show it again, this time the full scans (not the only time it is referred to in the comic) and two scans from different comic too showing the same.
http://i16.tinypic.com/4hx4d4o.jpg
http://i15.tinypic.com/33ze3k8.jpg
http://i18.tinypic.com/44ampn6.jpg
http://i13.tinypic.com/4bqd9hk.jpg

What does this mean? It means that…well, their whole prep plan went into drain. EVERYTHING they have made for their prep, EVERYTHING relies on the assumption that Space Phantom can absorb ageless beings, in other words, immortals.

He can’t.

Lets think about who Space Phantom has used before. The full list, after researching every Space Phantom’s appearance is…

Giant Man
Hulk
Iron Man
A random Hydra Soldier
Some kind of egg (yes, I guess he can turn into un-sentient beings. This, however doesn’t matter at the slightest)
Xemnu the Titan
Northstar
Spider-Man
She-Hulk
Sandman
Hawkeye
Black Panther
Deathlok
Mantis

And how many of them are immortals? None. Zero. None of them are even APPROACHING true immortality (Even Sandman. He has way too many low showings to be immortal, and obviously, since Space Phantom was able to use him, he isn’t immortal.) NONE of them are even remotely close to herald level!

And they are having him turn into Silver Surfer, Morg, Stardust, and the freaking Uni-Power. All which are immortals of HIGHEST order. ALL of the heralds are sustained and kept alive by Power Cosmic forever unless they are killed in battle. Surfer is still alive after 1000 years in Guardians of the Galaxy timeline. So is Firelord. Stardust doesn’t even have a freaking human body, he is made out of energy. And Morg, like others, is a Herald of Galactus, sustained by the PC. I really don’t think that anyone will go and argue that Heralds are not immortal.

And then there is the Uni-Power. I don’t even need to go further into it, a freaking mysterious energy force, and a representation of Enigma Force that has been on the universe since its beginning? If that isn’t immortal, I don’t know what is. Energy doesn’t eat or breathe. Energy doesn’t die. Energy doesn’t disappear over time. Uni-Power is immortal.

Space Phantom can’t turn into immortals, as documented on MULTIPLE different scans shown above. As Digi put it, "Bio's are notoriously incomplete." So while the bio states that he can not posses magical people, it is immortals he cannot posses. Which is EVERYONE you have tried to posses so far

They can’t turn into heralds, and they sure as hell aren’t turning into Uni-Power. They literally have no enchantments at all. Which means our team will crush them.

Tough, yeah, but all I am putting in the table are facts as shown by comics (and even SP’s bios state that he can only turn into MORTAL beings). No immortal beings. Research should have been done before using him so wildly. 😬

Post #4 - Uni-Thor

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
They claim that in the 00000000000000.1th of second it takes us to teleport the hammer away, they are going to scan every single atom on the PLANET

First off ... no matter how many zeros you put in front of a decimal point, it all adds up to 0.1 ... 😛

Second, as we've said at least 3 or 4 times, WE ARE NOT SCANNING FOR YOU BEFORE THROWING THE HAMMER!

😬

Your location is completely irrelevant, we're cutting off magic from the entire battlefield, you are within the battlefield, therefore we are cutting off your magic.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
when thor threw his hammer to negate Jugg's field and "cut him off from his magic" didn't juggs still retain his 'magical' strength??? Only the forcefield was gone. Hell he was still moving around even when Thor punched him. His durability was still high up their.

Juggernaut's body was still altered, but all additional magics that are not part of himself were cut off.

Energy coming from outside sources such as Shazam will be gone.
Energy going from one character (Black Alice) to another will disappear.
Energy coming from characters other than themselves (Loki) will be gone.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
All Thor did was to carve a hammer out of un-processed Uru ore that was mixed with other minerals. Unprocessed uru-ore is known to be pretty weak, as Uroc’s hand is made of it and got shattered.

All Thor did was crush refined Uru to dust with a simple squeeze from his hand.

I like the way you ignored the most important and relevant points ... hope nobody else noticed or they may think that you can't defend against this (not that you can ... un-enchanted Uru is nothing special)

Here's a close up of the important parts:

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
I don’t think they ever proved that other heralds powers can even be shared

We have proved that the Power Cosmic can be transferred, we are transferring Power Cosmic ... seems straight forward to me (though I do understand your need to deny basic facts)

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
I’m just going to post one scan that makes everything discussed about Uni-Power here pointless. EVERYTHING. Here it is.

Well done, you found a scan of one person speculating (with no proof whatsoever) about what he thinks that Space Phantom can't do .... and then you went on to base the rest of your post on this third party speculation ... politicians must love you.

How many of you believed that Sentry stalemated Galactus?

Or that "resistance is futile"?

🙂

The fact remains that Space Phantom has only ever failed to steal two bodies:

One was Captain Mar-Vell - due to the fact that he was linked with Rick Jones and the Space Phantom can't copy two bodies at the same time.

The other was Thor (with Mjolnir) and it's well known that there are various enchantments on Thor and his hammer that stop his power from being stolen by anyone below Skyfather level.

Everything else DC has put forward here is merely him grasping at straws to save his overmatched and outclassed team.

😉

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It's obviously desperation time for our opponents, they have finally realised that we massively outclass them in power and strategy and are now relying on you to put all your faith in one single, unproven, line spoken by a third party.

They also want to use the old "They haven't done it before so they can't do it in a tourney" argument against us, when they themselves are using nothing but irrational concepts that have no on-panel evidence to support them.

😬

We posted the scans they requested as proof about SP.

We're still waiting for their scans showing Black Alice using the powers of a Marvel character.

Of AS Superman sharing his powers with multiple persons at once.

Of Black Alice sharing the powers of Shazam.

So post them whenever you're ready (though we are working under a deadline here)

Or are you just demanding proof without expecting to have to give any yourselves? ... but that can't be right, it's too hypocritical.

😐

DarkCrawler’s Post #5.

Debating for the characters All-Star Superman and The Keeper

Oh boy, we are going to lay the smack down here so hard. Don’t know even where to start.

1. Hammer, hammer, hammer.

So, now they are saying that they throw the hammer to empty air, without even bothering to see where their enemies are. Hell, they don’t know that they ARE facing enemies.

And the battlefield is the entire freaking planet. We could be ANYWHERE in it. What are you going to do, have it circle the entire huge ass planet? 😂 Well, by the time it completes a circle around a freaking PLANET, It’s teleported away.

Seriously, there nothing they can do about it. The hammer will NOT complete a circle or hundred freaking circles (which would be required to make a VORTEX, which you need to cancel our magic), before we teleport it far awaaaaaaay.

2. Uru.

Now they are saying that our Uru is unenchanted…it’s not…it has the magical energies of half a dozen users inside it, powering it. And we again, duplicated the metal’s molecular substance from Mjolnir itself, not some shackles. Obviously the same effort isn’t made in making shackles from the metal then a weapon of a god. Mjolnir was forged in the heart of star by the best dwarf blacksmith that has ever lived; the shackles were made by Thor…go figure the difference. And not only this, but we can use our matter manipulation powers to make it even more durable.

3. Uni-Power.

So. Here is the biggest f*ck-up they made. In the next following sentences I will show that they will not be turning into heralds and Uni-Power, and also show that they did not read my post. And no, we aren’t “grasping at straws”, as much as they would like to lead you to believe. I posted this picture there.
http://i18.tinypic.com/44ampn6.jpg

DING DING! You saw it correctly. 💃

SPACE PHANTOM

STATES

HIMSELF

THAT

HE

CAN’T

TURN

INTO

IMMORTALS!

😱

The other team is obviously confusing “grasping at straws” with hard, cold, merciless evidence. It’s right there, black on white, on page of official comic, stating that Space Phantom isn’t turning into immortals, never has, never will. They have zero buffs.

It took me literally fifteen minutes to write this post while the previous ones have taken more then hour or two. They are slipping. Seriously, no effort required, no discussion with partner, no frenzied search for scans...the evidence is right there. No heralds. No Uni-Power. Nothing.

…oh, and Digi? The dog pic? I think it is verrrry appropriate for this situation.

Ouch...

Digi Post #6

Originally posted by illadelph12
Ouch...

Hopefully that refers to the pic (which was funny, I'll admit), because the post was anything but...

...

This will once again be short. I'll say everything I have to say, and nothing more.

Part I. General Thoughts.

Part II. Why we win in insanely plain terms.

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I.

A. DC admitted SP can become non-sentient beings. So that debate is over. We also already posted non-humanoid scans, so we can do exactly what we say.

B. Wtf is an "immortal" anyway. I know Scoob already shot that scan down, but are they really looking for that much speculation to try to bring us down???

C. Our many scans of SP proof >>> their failed attempts to discredit us with unfounded logic and 1 speculative scan.

D. If you're microscopic, how exactly are you teleporting something that's billions of times larger than you (Mjolnir) in the opening miliseconds of the fight??

Magic-block STILL = 👆

E. Loki can only amp people to roughly his level in telepathy, it's not 1000x no matter what. We already proved that. So how are you telepathically shielding yourself when we have Warlock's TP combined with Surfer's, which is much >> Loki's?? Again, you're just boned.

F. Just in case Thor crushing Uru with his bare hands wasn't enough:

...wow, is it weak unless you have specific Odin-enchantments (Mjolnir). With our Surfer powers, can can just freeze them and shatter them.

G. Actually their "complete" listing of SP's showings isn't complete. Hell, we posted him becoming different people in our last match (and I think this one too). More worthless speculation based upon incomplete information.

🙄

H. DC says that AS Superman created everything needed for the potion. He's right. But that was never our point. The point is, it would take way too long to replicate the lab, robot, and map out DNA for it to even be close to feasible.

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....

II.

Judges.

I understand.

You're saying to yourself, "Wow, this is some crazy sh*t from both sides. I don't know if it would all work." Believe me, I've been in your position. So let's ignore the craziness for a second.

Here I'm only looking at what our team can do at normal levels. And we still win. Our equation (Digi Post #5) already proved beyond ANY doubt that our power mesh is >>>> theirs. But even if you took that out, here's what you have:

- Thor's magic block, a proven techinque.
- Warlock's complete undetectibility from any known means (until he strikes)
- Thor crushing Uru with his bare hands (the stuff their team is using to protect themselves)
- Thor absorbing vast amounts of energy into Mjolnir, even if it isn't directed right at him.
- Warlock having much more cunning and skill than anyone in the fight.
- Warlock being able to control their boards, via his soul-link with Surfer (Keeper is 616 Surfer, years into the future). Or at the very least hinder them. Notice how they ditched the "We make our boads big inside your head" tactic? Right, because their boards are now a liability.
- Thor's lightning attack, which drains the charge from AS Supes.
- Thor being able to pin any of them with Mjolnir if he so desires, since they can't lift it due to its enchantments.

Again, this is all without our power meshing. We've proved beyond doubt that SP can do what we say he will. But even if you took that out, we still have them.

Those are the facts. BW/DC's strategy is, more and more, based on vague speculation and powers that will be getting blocked as soon as the fight starts.

We can beat them at base levels. And the power mesh, just crazily cool overkill.

😎

Blair Wind Post #5

Originally posted by illadelph12
Ouch...

Ouch is right 😈

So lets recap:

Your SP is a worthless piece of nothing this fight. He cannot turn into Silver Surfer, or any other herald. He cannot transform into the Uni Power, and everything you did with his was non consequential.

Sorry, but the words coming from HIS mouth are more than just one speculative scan Digi. Dude no offense, but you got WTFPWND right there. I mean.....did you even read the scan? Seriously you guys, you are not going much for yourselves when you cannot even read the scans we present to you. Here it is again since you missed it: http://i18.tinypic.com/44ampn6.jpg

Read it this time

Moving on to select points that stuck out at me:

Superman Potion
Does ANYONE believe the BS that we cannot use the Superman potion?? I wonder if one simple superman potion is as hard as resurrecting dinosaurs, and then killing them through bio-molecular control.
http://img138.imageshack.us/my.php?image=doompy7.jpg
http://img172.imageshack.us/my.php?image=doom1hy2.jpg
You know how much chemical process must be taking place?

Or how about this "little" feat:
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/CosPowUnlim_1996_004_27.jpg
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/CosPowUnlim_1996_004_28.jpg

You cannot HONESTLY believe that Keeper cannot do this. Saving your team from pure horror is noble, but please, your failing at trying to disprove us.

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Soul Link
So your saying even though we have ample evidence that Keeper should be able to detect Warlock, given that he knows "ALL that is Warlock", we should disregard it because a writer never extrapolated that point? as Scoobless said, "I've never heard you say the word tomato ... so that means you can't say it" Common guys, you have more sense than that.

We know you, and Surfer will exploit that fact more than you ever could. Hence the saying: If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. Hell why not just dump Warlock into the Quantum Zone???:
http://img177.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar20206iz.jpg
http://img177.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar20215tc.jpg

Face it, our options>>>Yours

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The teeny tiny expanding boards

Digi says: It means we still have the boards....and have you noticed they dropped that attack??

Uh?? Who dropped that attack? Surfer was knocked out when Warlock took control, and had not taken back control by then. Besides how are you going to control something that basically killed Thor before you even realized it was there?? Please tell me, I am really curious to know the answer, because it will be some mighty fine BS to be able to convince anyone about it.

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The hammer
Have we not beaten this subject down yet? We teleported it. Thor was out in the open standing around like the thunder idiot he is. We have so many options its not even funny:

Teleport it

Take control of the hammer through Black Alice (Doesn't put her above Odin level, it just happens to be a tactical advantage for her that she can "take over" things. Just like she "takes over" powers)

Take over as Dargo (which btw would be different for this match, as Dargo went back in time. Black Alice would not create a time loop, and as Dargo is from Keeper's time, he will be from his "present" )

Transmute the area around Thor's hand into a solid metal or adhesive so he cannot throw the hammer.

Please get this ridiculous notion that you will even get one swing out of your heads. It is not happening. And even if it did? We still have a million other ways to take it out. We can fly with Superman's powers and hit it off course with the Quantum Bands:
http://img480.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar38120vn.jpg
http://img480.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar38137pe.jpg

a blow from a mighty hammer does nothing to one of QB's shields:
http://img370.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar48135of.jpg

or maybe you need something more like this:
http://img53.imageshack.us/my.php?image=masters2.jpg
http://img57.imageshack.us/my.php?image=masters3.jpg

Again, our options are limitless.

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The Quantum Bands and Uru

We have been neglecting the glorious energy absorbing/manipulating trinkets that Keeper keeps on his wrists. Now we have already shown Warlock susceptible to energy draining
http://img522.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar38194cy.jpg

but you want to send magical lightning down on us? When we have Uru amour, hammers, and any other energy you throw at us will be absorbed by the Quantum Bands.

Or, since we wanted to do something bold with our bands, we can easily absorb the energy of a star
http://img386.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar160332nx.jpg
http://img386.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar160343ry.jpg

And then give everyone of our little Parademon friends an energy shield....uh? wait for it. 😈

The Planet?

Now, both have sides have failed to mention something that could very much show that we are going to win even greater than we were before! There are millions of Parademons on Apokolips as well as a lot of futuristic weaponry which we can co-opt for our attack. It doesn't have to be a 3 on 2 (since SP is worth nothing), it can be a 700,000+ on 2! All we have to do is use a telepathic suggestion on the Parademons as we can telepathically feel their presense and have them swarm Thor and Warlock with all their future weaponry. Something like this:
http://spider-bob.com/aliens_races/dc/images/Parademons01.jpg
Against Warlock and Thor. There's no rule against utilizing aspects of the battlefield that I'm aware of, so we made due.

This is not a desperate attack as I KNOW the other team will have you think it is, however this is just ANOTHER tactical advantage to our already winning team.

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Tactical Advantages

Sun Tzu says in Art of War,
"Now the general who wins a battle makes many
calculations in his temple ere the battle is fought.
The general who loses a battle makes but few
calculations beforehand. Thus do many calculations
lead to victory, and few calculations to defeat:
how much more no calculation at all! It is by attention
to this point that I can foresee who is likely to win or lose."

We simply out thought your team from the beginning and it led to your annihilation. We had the opening strike, which hindered all your assumptions out the window. Thor standing around, (and you did say you would detect our "magical" presences from the beginning, then changed tactics when you thought it might screw you over...), got you killed. Our Surfer's TP/TK with Loki's enhancements hit pretty damn hard, and you never found us. You never even tried looking from the beginning. You were just waiting for us to come to you, and when we did you were unable to properly defend yourselves. So what did you do? You went back and started a different opening, where Thor illogically threw his hammer IN CASE we had magical beings. Blatent Pre battle knowledge abuse.

Clever thinking, a more powerful team, and better strategic use of the battlefield will have us winning this battle.

Base Level?
You want to start comparing base levels and say who is more powerful?

Purely base level on both sides we still>>>>>>>>>>>>>in power

-SP has been proven to be of no use to you
- Keeper's complete knowledge of all that is Warlock.
- Black Alice's ability to take on Dargo thus leaving you without Mjolnir
- Keeper absorbing all kinds of energy thanks to the Quantum Bands.
- Keeper having the most experience of anyone in this tournament
- Superman having the best reaction speeds on both sides.
- Our whole team being faster than yours.
-Power Cosmic>>>>you guys.

Face it. Purely on base levels we pwn you. Power meshing included?? We still pwn you.

Judges

Those are the facts. Digi/Scoob's strategy is, more and more, based on vague speculation and powers that they will never be able to actually channel. Their reaction speeds pale in comparison to ours, and our tactical advantages place us in the lead of this battle. They have no chance for victory. At. ALL.

DarkCrawler’s Post #6.

Debating for the characters All-Star Superman and The Keeper

Judges,

As you have by now probably noticed, this match is ours. Easily. This post is pretty short because…I don’t even have to arg

They have not only ignored 50% of the stuff we have posted, but hopelessly try to take out our unmatched scans of Space Phantom’s Immortality-weakness by posting…nothing. This post (And Blair Wind’s) will show clearly that SP can’t do it, and that thy will get taken down.

Sure, they started strong. This was before we researched them though. We have every appearance of Uni-Power and Space Phantom now. Adam Warlock. Even the properties of Uru. Knowledge is power.

My next post will, without a doubt crush their feeble attempts of defending anything, with ease, with lot of proof provided.

Anyway, Blair Wind will take out the whole hammer argument and superman potion, so I focus on other things.

1. Da Uru is in the house.

As you can see, they keep coming with evidence of Uru’s properties which have nothing to do with Mjolnir.

Evidence A) Uru shackles being broke by Thor.

Please. Do they REALLY think that some shackles made by Thor are given 0.0000001% of the time and effort that Mjolnir is? Thor isn’t a master blacksmith. Neither did he make the shackles in the heart of the Sun.

Evidence B) Uroc’s body.

Hah! This is even more ridicolous! Uroc was made by a troll weapon smith (who although, is respected, is nothing compared to THREE best blacksmiths that have ever lived), in HURRY, from freaking Uru ore found in some mines.

Now, NOTHING that compares to the time and effort that was given to freaking Mjolnir. It was made by the three best blacksmiths alive in the HEART OF THE SUN!
http://i16.tinypic.com/3500abn.jpg
http://i19.tinypic.com/43yned4.jpg

True, it WAS blessed by Odin Power, but like you can see from the time Thor had his hammer without Odin’s enchantments, it was still as durable as it is, toppling the freaking leader of the freaking CELESTIALS.
http://i12.tinypic.com/2wpumvb.jpg

Odin did not make the hammer as durable as it is. The blacksmiths made. And our skin is as durable as Mjolnir is.

2. Telepathic protection.

Did they somehow miss that our psychic detection resistance is so good that even Eon and Galactus can’t find us…? Looks like they did. Anyway, here:
http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/7604/keeper5shieldingyz7.jpg

3. Space Phantom.

Oh, but are they wrong. I HAVE researched every appearance of Space Phantom, and I DID post every character he has turned into. Here is his appearance list, taken straight out of the site they posted.

Avengers #2, 105-108, 135, 267-268
Avengers Forever #8
Avengers Giant Size #4
Captain America #113
Journey Into Mystery #108
Rom #19
Spectacular Spider-Man #168-170
Thor #281-282
…the site didn’t mention Beyond #1-6, where he also appeared, but me, as a wise man, included them to the list. Now.

Lets count the number of times when Space Phantom turns into immortals. The count, naturally stars at 0.

On Avengers #2, the people he turns into are: A weird spaceship thingy, meteorite, a random bystander, Hulk, Iron Man, Giant Man.

Avengers #105-#108, he turns into: Hawkeye, Black Panther, and Iron Man (again).

Avengers #267 and #268 are flashback type sequences from the first fight.

Avengers Giant Size #4, nothing else but Mantis.

Cap. America #113 includes Madame Hydra, random Hydra soldier.

Journey into Mystery 108? He turns into nothing at all (this is an issue he is set free from the Limbo).

Rom the Space Knight #19 is hardly in continuity, and even there, the only person he turns into is a buddy of Rom, Karas.

Spectacular Spider-Man #168-#170? Spider-Man, She-Hulk, Sandman.

Avengers Forever #8? Nobody, he was outside time. Maybe this is why he can’t turn into immortals, because of their funny relation to time and such.

Thor #281-282 – he was trapped into Limbo the whole time, so he turned into nobody.

Beyond #1-6? Spider-Man, Xemnu, Northstar, Deathlok. I guess you know what comes next…

Total count of immortals?

Well, look at that. Not only we have undeniable (as much as Digi and Scoobs TRY to deny it) proof that Space Phantom, can’t indeed turn into immortals, even Space Phantom himself admitting it in CRYSTAL CLEAR words:
http://i16.tinypic.com/4hx4d4o.jpg
http://i15.tinypic.com/33ze3k8.jpg
http://i18.tinypic.com/44ampn6.jpg
http://i13.tinypic.com/4bqd9hk.jpg

We also have proof that he never HAS turned into immortals. I don’t know, but I think the reason he can’t turn into immortals is because it has been established that he can’t turn into immortals? Oh yeah, and what happened the ONLY time he actually TRIED to turn into immortal? He got taken out. And the bio they themselves posted CLEARLY mentions that he can turn only into mortal beings. They without a doubt try to disprove this in some way, but, as I have seen every appearance of Space Phantom, I know they can’t.

Hopefully the judges now know it also. We have posted proof that Space Phantom can’t turn into immortals, they have posted nothing that would prove otherwise. Nada, zero, zilch.

So, as conclusion, they don’t get any powers of Heralds, and they don’t get any Uni-Power either. They aren’t finding us, they aren’t taking away our magic buffs, and we, because we are many times more powerful then they are, will take them down with ease.

Post #5 - Uni-Thor

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
So, now they are saying that they throw the hammer to empty air, without even bothering to see where their enemies are.

That was always the case

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
And the battlefield is the entire freaking planet. We could be ANYWHERE in it. What are you going to do, have it circle the entire huge ass planet? 😂 Well, by the time it completes a circle around a freaking PLANET, It’s teleported away.

A hammer travelling at 3 x lightspeed or more (as there's no restrictions on the speed limits of energy blasts or attacks, only physical movement of our characters) would be effectively invisible.

Add to that the fact that your team is microscopic and the relative distance between you and the hammer is always going to be millions of miles .... which is far beyond the range of your teleporting abilities in the first place.

Mjolnir will be circling and re-circling the entire battlefield in instants and there's nothing you can do to stop it.

You have no magic.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Now they are saying that our Uru is unenchanted

It is unenchanted .... absorbing a few energy signatures isn't even remotely the same as a Skyfather's enchantments.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
http://i18.tinypic.com/44ampn6.jpg

So he thinks he can't abduct immortals ... once again you have used speculation and treated it as proof (you're not a criminal prosecution lawyer, are you?)

How many times have you seen character say/think they can't do something only to do it anyway a few panels/issues later?

SP didn't and still doesn't know the full extent of the enchantments on Mjolnir, which led him to believe his power was hindered by Thor's lifespan .... this, in turn, has led him to not attempt to copy other immortals.

The fact remains that there is nothing anywhere in any comic that proves he can't copy a being just because they happen to have a long lifespan.

There is also nothing that proves that Heralds or the Uni-Power are immortal.

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Originally posted by Blair Wind
Does ANYONE believe the BS that we cannot use the Superman potion?? I wonder if one simple superman potion is as hard as resurrecting dinosaurs, and then killing them through bio-molecular control.
http://img138.imageshack.us/my.php?image=doompy7.jpg
http://img172.imageshack.us/my.php?image=doom1hy2.jpg
You know how much chemical process must be taking place?

Using Doom's feats?

Pointless!

Next.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Or how about this "little" feat:
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/CosPowUnlim_1996_004_27.jpg
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/CosPowUnlim_1996_004_28.jpg

Super antibiotic powers ... wow ... that will come in handy if you pick up a cold or something ... otherwise it's pointless.

Next.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
So your saying even though we have ample evidence that Keeper should be able to detect Warlock

What evidence?

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Hell why not just dump Warlock into the Quantum Zone???:
http://img177.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar20206iz.jpg
http://img177.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar20215tc.jpg

Because that type of BFR was banned. Pay attention.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Take control of the hammer through Black Alice (Doesn't put her above Odin level, it just happens to be a tactical advantage for her that she can "take over" things. Just like she "takes over" powers)

Just like she took over Spectre.

A lot of her powers are over the caps, you wanted her in so she was cut down and now you want her pulling out Skyfather level feats?

Cheating should be beneath you by this point.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
a blow from a mighty hammer does nothing to one of QB's shields:
http://img370.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar48135of.jpg

Thor w/Mjolnir >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thunderstrike.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
or maybe you need something more like this:
http://img53.imageshack.us/my.php?image=masters2.jpg
http://img57.imageshack.us/my.php?image=masters3.jpg

Thor >>>>>>>>> Masterson (and Masterson still won that fight)

Originally posted by Blair Wind
use a telepathic suggestion on the Parademons as we can telepathically feel their presense and have them swarm Thor and Warlock with all their future weaponry. Something like this:
http://spider-bob.com/aliens_races/dc/images/Parademons01.jpg

Our TP (Warlock + 27 herald powerups) >>>>>>>>>>>> your TP

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Originally posted by DarkCrawler
We also have proof that he never HAS turned into immortals.

And we have proof that Black Alice has never, ever, become a Marvel character or shared Shazam's powers (along with many other things you and every other team are attempting that haven't happened in comics)

You seem to want to try and get away with anything you can while complaining when other teams try things that haven't been done before.

Why is that?

😬

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BW/DC have used absolutely nothing other than speculation to try to sway your opinions on Space Phantom.

Even the character in question commenting on what he thinks might limit himself is not proof in any sense of the word ... comics are notorious for people claiming things to be impossible then doing those same things anyway.

If they had a scan of Space Phantom actually failing to take over an immortal (who didn't possess magical abilities) then they still wouldn't have proof that our plan couldn't work as they can't definitively prove that anyone we're using him for is immortal.

The only limits that Space Phantom has EVER been shown to have are against magical beings or against copying more than one person at a time.

Anything else is either complete guesswork or total BS.

They realise that our power levels >>>>>>>>>>>>>> theirs and are desperate to say anything that could alter that.

A herald enhanced, uni-power multiplied, Thor could demolish their entire team solo .... so you can understand their need to resort to attempted cap-breaking, BS and false claims of "proof"

Yes, there are a lot of things in this match (on both sides) that have never taken place in a comic and probably never will. That's not the point of these tourneys though ... everyone involved is taking characters and using them to their full potential and even using them to massively enhance the potential of others.

BW/DC are doing this just like almost everyone else in the tourney has, yet they still feel the need to argue against our ability to do the same for the simple reason that we have done it better than them.

Speculation does not equal proof.

Hyperbole does not equal proof.

In regards to their arguments against Space Phantom, they have no proof!

🙂

DarkCrawler’s Post #7.

Debating for the characters All-Star Superman and The Keeper

See, I told you so. They still try to claim that Space Phantom can turn into immortals, despite everything, and I mean everything, showing the contrary. It’s obviously clear that they can’t actually prove that Space Phantom can turn into immortals, so they try to say that we are speculating, which we are. Let me put the evidence here in the table.

A) Space Phantom has never, ever, in any comic he has been, taken the form of immortal being. Now, this ALONE would not be enough proof. However, when it is combined with the following ones, it is.

B) Grim Reaper, Space Phantoms partner, states that the reason that Space Phantom could not take upon the forms of immortals. As his only source for this would be Space Phantom, this already proves it…however…

C) Space Phantom HIMSELF states, on clear words, that he CAN’T abduct immortals. He DOESN’T speculate it. He doesn’t say “When I tried to mimic Thor’s form I could not absorb it, I believe that this is because he is immortal”, or “When I tried to mimic Thor I couldn’t, I don’t know why, but it’s probably because of his immortality or something”. No. He says, clearly, confidently, “When I tried to mimic Thor’s form – and found to my displeasure that immortals resisted my power.” No speculation there.

D) The only time he actually tried to steal the body of an immortal, he went straight into Limbo. Go figure.

What made me laugh the most is this, however:

SP didn't and still doesn't know the full extent of the enchantments on Mjolnir, which led him to believe his power was hindered by Thor's lifespan .... this, in turn, has led him to not attempt to copy other immortals

They are actually inventing their own plotlines now! hysterical I am sorry, but this gives basically a whole new meaning for the word desperate. They have realized that they have no way of disproving the scans that we have posted, so they post ridicolous stuff like this. NOWHERE was it said that the reason why Space Phantom could not change to Thor was because of the enchantments in the Mjolnir.

Hell, they are even making up the exact psychological reasons why SP never turned into immortals…when the reason is right there, in front of your eyes. He can’t, because immortals simply resist his power. Plain as that.

They LITERALLY are pulling explanations out of their head and expect people to believe it.

And they have the balls to accuse us of speculation? 😆

Then they try to strawman the argument. In very clumsy way.

And we have proof that Black Alice has never, ever, become a Marvel character or shared Shazam's powers (along with many other things you and every other team are attempting that haven't happened in comics)

You seem to want to try and get away with anything you can while complaining when other teams try things that haven't been done before.

And that is retardedly different from our argument. We have proof that Space Phantom has never, ever, ever, turned into immortal character, has himself said that he can’t turn into immortal character, and the only time he turned into immortal character he got one-way ticked back to Limbo. They can’t say the same about any of our prep things.

I would not call scans where character himself says that he can’t do something and when he does that something it doesn’t work “absolutely nothing else then speculation”. However, the way that they try to explain away our scans, is nothing else then speculation.

The only limits that Space Phantom has EVER been shown to have are against magical beings or against copying more than one person at a time.

No, the only limits he has shown are against immortals and two minds, as stated by himself.

We have a lot of proof in regards of our arguments of Space Phantom.

They, however, got nothing. Not a single scan where Space Phantom would refute his argument of not being able to absorb immortals, not a single scan where he would absorb an immortal, and nothing else then their pathetic making up of stuff that they falsely call “proof”.

It’s clearly put there. Space Phantom is not able to turn into immortals.

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Not only this pathetic display of “debating”, but also the fact that they don’t even seem to read the scans we put.

Super antibiotic powers ... wow ... that will come in handy if you pick up a cold or something ... otherwise it's pointless.

See what I am meaning? They completely ignored the fact that Surfer was shown to go to molecular level on THOUSANDS of bodies at once, searching for only specific things out of limitless number of cells, and doing it all in seconds. We didn’t put that here as an display of healing powers…but as an display of how it would not be any trouble at all for Surfer to do everything AS-Superman’s computers do. ❌

Using Doom's feats?

Pointless!

Next.

Well, isn’t this hypocritical. They can use Surfer’s feats in regards of all Heralds when displaying the capabilities of Power Cosmic, but we can’t use Doom’s feats? Okkk…

They also ignored the fact that teleporting isn’t the only way we can take out the hammer before it has time to complete one circle, much less hundreds that are needed to make a vortex around the freaking PLANET. Why? Because they can’t stop it.

Oh yeah, and your hammer can ONLY move at lightspeed, not above. We asked Batdude that. Hence we could not have our boards move half a million times lightspeed and hit with force that is equal to twice the mass of Earth…

Oh, and the Parademons are attacking you still. That also distracts your characters a lot…

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Let me make a summary again.

I let BW handle Black Alice.

We have proof that Keeper is capable of doing everything needed to make the Superman potion. His reaction speed, molecular manipulation capabilities and everything are up to the task.

We have proof that Space Phantom has never turned into immortals, that he himself says that he can’t turn into immortals, and the only time he turned into one was a failure.

We have multiple ways of stopping the hammer – our capabilities and reaction times are easily up to the task.

Oh, and because Space Phantom can’t turn into immortals, they also have no buffs. They have unbuffed Thor, unbuffed Adam Warlock, and their third character is somewhere in Limbo because he foolishy tried to take the form of an immortal.

Judges can choose who to vote – the ones who put scans and take down the argument from every place – or the ones who try to make up their own plotlines to explain their character’s weakness (I can’t be the only one who thinks that is crazy) and who have put thus far zero scans of the character able to do something.

NON OFFICIAL

that we are speculating, which we are

That is obviously meant to say that we AREN'T. 😛

DigiMark Post #7

Characters: Warlock and Thor

Part I. General Thoughts

Part II. Responses to DC/BW

I.

A. To all judges, please refer to my Posts #5 and 6 if you haven’t already. They summarize a lot of our comments throughout the battle, and catalog everything that we’ve shown with our scans and logic.

These, to me, are my most important posts, because it’s easy to get lost trying to follow the give-and-take of everything else. I think it lays out our case well.

B. I’ve had fun. This will be one of my last posts (maybe the very last). I’ve enjoyed the tourney, the competition, and working with Scoob. Congrats to all, and thank you to batdude and the judges.

J

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II.

I’ll respond mostly to Blair this time, because I realized that most of my energies have been towards DC thus far.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Sorry, but the words coming from [b]HIS mouth are more than just one speculative scan Digi. Dude no offense, but you got WTFPWND right there. I mean.....did you even read the scan? Seriously you guys, you are not going much for yourselves when you cannot even read the scans we present to you. Here it is again since you missed it: http://i18.tinypic.com/44ampn6.jpg[/B]

So Surfer's an immortal? Because I thought he was a normal mortal + a cosmic upgrade from Galactus. Thor was born an Asgardian Immortal. So, um, you're wrong. Completely.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
You cannot HONESTLY believe that Keeper cannot do this. Saving your team from pure horror is noble, but please, your failing at trying to disprove us.

No, I believe he can do it. But, again, that's not the issue. He has 20 minutes to map out two wildly different DNA structures, create a complex robot (and laboratory) to AS Supes' exact specifications, and tweak the forumla code fro each person....then actually make the stuff.

Besides, our power mesh >>>>> yours, as we've shown. But this isn't happening anyway.

...our mesh uses our character's base powers, that we've all proven. Yours requires more time than you have.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
[B]Soul Link
So your saying even though we have ample evidence that Keeper should be able to detect Warlock, given that he knows "ALL that is Warlock", we should disregard it because a writer never extrapolated that point? as Scoobless said, "I've never heard you say the word tomato ... so that means you can't say it" Common guys, you have more sense than that. [/B]

Scoobless didn't say it in reference to Warlock, so that's a mis-quote.

Yes, he knows all that is Warlock. Never stated otherwise. But he doesn't have soul powers. Warlock does. The board control is due to those soul powers. End of story.

I also never said Warlock would detect Keeper due to the soul link. He has never displayed that power (nor has Surfer/Keeper). He's detecting you guys because we have enhanced sense that are >> yours, and Warlock is undetectible, but you aren't.

So that's beyond speculation, Blair. You're creating a power that even our team doesn't have, then trying to use it for your own.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
[B]The teeny tiny expanding boards

Digi says: It means we still have the boards....and have you noticed they dropped that attack??

Uh?? Who dropped that attack? Surfer was knocked out when Warlock took control, and had not taken back control by then. Besides how are you going to control something that basically killed Thor before you even realized it was there?? Please tell me, I am really curious to know the answer, because it will be some mighty fine BS to be able to convince anyone about it. [/B]

He wasn't unconscious the whole time. I already proved that with scans in my Post #5 (see the beginning of the post for details). And so Warlock can control their boards, or at the very least hinder them greatly as they try to do anything with them.

That plan of theirs was never happening.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
[b]The hammer
Have we not beaten this subject down yet? We teleported it. Thor was out in the open standing around like the thunder idiot he is. We have so many options its not even funny [/B]

You're microscopic! By comparison, Mjolnir is about the size of Jupiter, and is traveling > lightspeed as soon as the fight starts. Tell me, have any of your guys teleported a planet before...or a planet they can't even find??

Originally posted by Blair Wind
[b]The Planet?

Now, both have sides have failed to mention something that could very much show that we are going to win even greater than we were before! There are millions of Parademons on Apokolips as well as a lot of futuristic weaponry which we can co-opt for our attack. It doesn't have to be a 3 on 2 (since SP is worth nothing), it can be a 700,000+ on 2! All we have to do is use a telepathic suggestion on the Parademons as we can telepathically feel their presense and have them swarm Thor and Warlock with all their future weaponry. [/B]

hysterical

First, our telepathy >>> theirs. We have Warlock enhanced by Surfer many times over. They have....Loki-ish tp? And that's only until the magic block.

Second, telepathically taking over hundreds of thousands of anything? Again, utterly moronic. Remember in Annihilation when Moondragon went crazy trying to subdue a few dozen of Annihilus' drones? Yeah, you think Loki would be able to handle anything more?

Hell, Apokalips, if I'm not mistaken, has drained Superman in the past due to its makeup. If we wanted, we could make the case that you guys will be at a disadvantage. But we don't even need it.

...so just ignore that whole thing. It's a waste of keystrokes, both for Blair to attempt it in desperation, and me to logically counter it.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
[B]Base Level?
You want to start comparing base levels and say who is more powerful?[/B]

Yes, please. Go back over the two lists of "base level powers". Mine's in my #6 post. See which one is more impressive. We whup the hell out of them.

And stuff like "Keeper has full knowledge of Warlock" isn't base level. It's speculation. Ours is simply facts, and stuff that we've shown that isn't even close to controversial.

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Originally posted by DarkCrawler
They have not only ignored 50% of the stuff we have posted

If by ignore, you mean "countered", then sure. We've been nothing if not thorough in this match.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Sure, they started strong. This was before we researched them though. We have every appearance of Uni-Power and Space Phantom now. Adam Warlock. Even the properties of Uru. Knowledge is power.

Indeed.

Yeah, we started strong. Then you came up with some pertinent questions and said "prove it". So we were like, "You know what? They're right." So we did prove it. Our plan beats yours, many times over. This always came down to proof, which we have.

They have 1 scan and some excitingly liberal interpretation skills.

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They also keep trying to make you believe that, I dunno, they're made out of pure Mjolnir or something. They aren't. It's Uru. And we can crush it easily.

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That's probably going to do it for me. So nice match, and good luck to all.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
utterly moronic.

🙄

Major understatement

Why are only a couple of people posting in this thread? it seems like one of the more imaginative "fights" going on in this forum. Seems like the whole thing is hinged on this Space Phantom person (who I had never even heard of until I read a few of these posts) One guy says he's only ever failed to "abduct" 2 people (how does he even do this in the first place?) the other guys seem to want this not to be true and are posting word balloons where the phantom guy is talking about his abducting problems (Does speech really count as "evidence" in these matches? because it seemed to me like the guy didn't really understand the Thor situation).

This thread seems really long even though the post count is really low.

😕

Originally posted by Bigsmak
Why are only a couple of people posting in this thread? it seems like one of the more imaginative "fights" going on in this forum. Seems like the whole thing is hinged on this Space Phantom person (who I had never even heard of until I read a few of these posts) One guy says he's only ever failed to "abduct" 2 people (how does he even do this in the first place?) the other guys seem to want this not to be true and are posting word balloons where the phantom guy is talking about his abducting problems (Does speech really count as "evidence" in these matches? because it seemed to me like the guy didn't really understand the Thor situation).

This thread seems really long even though the post count is really low.

😕

Ok, but shouldn't it say that in the title or something?