Originally posted by Bigsmak
Ok, but shouldn't it say that in the title or something?
😂 Glad you're enjoying yourself Bigsmak. And no worries on posting.
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Digi Post #8
Characters: Warlock and Thor
….endgame.
Originally posted by Blair Wind
[B]Tactical AdvantagesSun Tzu says in Art of War,
"Now the general who wins a battle makes many
calculations in his temple ere the battle is fought.
The general who loses a battle makes but few
calculations beforehand. Thus do many calculations
lead to victory, and few calculations to defeat:
how much more no calculation at all! It is by attention
to this point that I can foresee who is likely to win or lose."[/B]
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That having been said, it’s time for the rebuttal:
Let’s start off with Sun Tzu himself, because he’s definitely not on their side:
”All warfare is based on deception.”
Warlock completely undetectable.
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”Attack him where he is unprepared, appear where you are not expected.”
…they won’t even know that Warlock exists until I start taking it to them. And controlling their boards and using them against them (proven even after they tried to mis-represent my initial scans) certainly counts as “unexpected”.
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The art of using troops is this:
......When ten to the enemy's one, surround him;
......When five times his strength, attack him;
......If double his strength, divide him;
......If equally matched you may engage him;
......If weaker numerically, be capable of withdrawing;
......And if in all respects unequal, be capable of eluding him,
..........for a small force is but booty for one more powerful."
Our equation proved beyond doubt that we are >>>> them. They’re weaker, and they can’t elude us.
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To fight and conquer in all your battles is not supreme excellence; supreme excellence consists in breaking the enemy's resistance without fighting.
Board control. Magic block. We’re chopping them down before we even lay a finger on them. Our plan is smooth and efficient.
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But Sun Tzu isn’t the only one on our side. Let’s turn to an infinitely less combatitive Asian (Lao Tzu, credited author of the Tao Te Ching)
”Therefore the sage abides in the condition of wu-wei (unattached action) and carries out the wordless teaching.”
Adam Warlock, purged of good and evil, walks the middle path between the two that is true to nature. One cannot exist without the other (opposites) and this opposition leads to conflict, turmoil, and strife. But, resting in the heart of this insanity, he is his own entity, and removed from conventional forces of virtue, value, and honor. His actions are unattached to a philosophical creed, and his contributes to the goings-on of the world while remaining separate from them.
As it applies to or match, he is beyond the realms of chaos and order (reality) and is uniquely qualified to fully assess the situation and pan our strategy. Our plan will work, because we have him. Their team cannot say the same.
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Or Hamlet:
There is special providence
in the fall of a sparrow. If it be now, ‘tis not to come;
if it be not to come, it will be now; if it be not now, yet it will come.
The readiness is all.
We stand at the precipice. Our fates not our own, all will be as it will be. If it is our time, it will not be yours; and if yours, not ours. Good luck, friends.
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Finally:
” ‘We can sexy’ is totally going to be my epitaph!”
T-Rex
Not really tourney related, but it’s a great epitaph.
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Have to keep this short, but as a recap to what is going on to the Judges here this is:
They left Thor standing out in the open. We were cloacked from all attacks.
As soon as the battle began, we had the tiny surfboards expand inside their brains *and they claim they can control something they do not even know we have till it is too late....that makes no sense 😕 *, telepathically and telekinetically struck out at them, and then teleported the hammer away while we regrow *or our various other ways of taking out the hammer. Choose one from: Taking control, switching to Dargo, Quantum Bands*
If Warlock knows all that is Surfer, then the same should be true for Surfer knowing all that is Warlock as evidenced by the same scans Digi used for this tournament. He can detect him, and if you are of the line of thinking that it will not take place, then with Warlock taking over the boards, he will detect him.
The boards (with atom slicing spiked) should effectively take Thor out ANYWAYS. Anything else is just speculation that he survives. It is our the first of our FIRST wave of attacks, AND it is not based on magic. So if you believe the magic will be negated, this is a well placed strike against them. Brian matter will be splattered everywhere as they expand, slicing everything.
SP cannot turn into Immortals. Surfer (Keeper) has been living for 500+ years. 616 Surfer is the same. He cannot take his form, or any other form you might want. His powers only work on HUMANS.
Our telepathy is more than JUST Loki's enhanced. Remember that Keeper has massive amounts of it. He can control the Parademons to attack you. It is just another avenue as to which we will win
Our use of Art of War is advantages to us. We out thought you in the writeup. We have cloacked our whole team while you did not. The use of that quote makes me laugh considering that Thor is just standing there doing nothing.
Just remember, that our systematic shut down of their team with first strike attacks, blocking their attacks with counter defenses, and then overwelming them with numbers is superior to their plans.
Ramma lamma lamma ka dingidy ding de dong.
Shoo bop shoo wadda wadda yippidy boom de boom.
Chang chang, changidy chang she bop.
Dip de dip de dip doo wap de dooby doo.
Boogidy boogidy boogidy boogidy shooby be do-wap shoo-wop.
Shanna nanna nanna nanna yippidy dep de doo!
Ramma lamma lamma ka dingidy ding de dong.
Shoo bop shoo wadda wadda yippidy boom de boom.
Chang chang, changidy chang she bop.
Dip de dip de dip doo wap de dooby doo.
Boogidy boogidy boogidy boogidy shooby be do-wap shoo-wop.
Shanna nanna nanna nanna yippidy dep de doo!
A whomp bop a loo-bop a whomp bam boom!
Grease
DarkCrawler’s Post #8.
Debating for the characters All-Star Superman and The Keeper
The Final Statement.
I would like to thank Digimark007 and Scoobless for extremely interesting match, and Batdude and judges for giving us the chance to do it. 🙂
That said, I will now go exactly why our characters will win the last time.
1. Space Phantom
The fact is, we have without doubt proved that Space Phantom simply can’t turn into immortals. It’s not speculation. It is a fact. Every single shred of evidence is in our side. I will post my original statement with scans included.
A) Space Phantom has never, ever, in any comic he has been, taken the form of immortal being. Now, this ALONE would not be enough proof. However, when it is combined with the following ones, it is.
B) Grim Reaper, Space Phantoms partner, states that the reason that Space Phantom could not take upon the forms of immortals. As his only source for this would be Space Phantom, this already proves it…however…
http://i15.tinypic.com/33ze3k8.jpg
C) Space Phantom HIMSELF states, on clear words, that he CAN’T abduct immortals. He DOESN’T speculate it. He doesn’t say “When I tried to mimic Thor’s form I could not absorb it, I believe that this is because he is immortal”, or “When I tried to mimic Thor I couldn’t, I don’t know why, but it’s probably because of his immortality or something”. No. He says, clearly, confidently, “When I tried to mimic Thor’s form – and found to my displeasure that immortals resisted my power.” No speculation there.
http://i18.tinypic.com/44ampn6.jpg
D) The only time he actually tried to steal the body of an immortal, he went straight into Limbo. Go figure.
http://i16.tinypic.com/4hx4d4o.jpg
Our proof simply beats their by a long shot. They have nothing. We have dozen of proof, including a quote from Space Phantoms mouth where he himself admits that he can’t turn into immortals...so he ISN’T turning into immortals.
Oh, and Surfer IS immortal. He can’t die out of natural causes. Power cosmic sustains him to the end of the Universe. He doesn’t age, he doesn’t get sick, he doesn’t need to eat, drink, breathe…he is as immortal as they come. I am not wrong…I am completely right. ALL Heralds are immortals. And Uni-Power clearly is complete immortal.
2. Uru
Our Uru is more strong then normal Uru, like said, it was made by the three best dwarven blacksmiths in the heart of the Sun...our armor’s molecular structure isn’t just taken from some random piece of Uru, it is taken STRAIGHT from Mjolnir, and we can make it stronger with our molecular control…notice that they never bothered to counter that.
3. Hammer
The size and range of our powers are not dependant on our size. They don’t suddenly diminish when we change it. We are able to teleport the hammer the hell away. Or do all the other dozen different things that Blair Wind mentioned.
However, they now haven’t taken the fact that the hammer needs to circle around the entire planet...in light speed…to make the vortex they are talking about, it needs to do it at least million times to cover the entire PLANET. Because Apokolips is a huge-ass planet more then ten times the size of Earth, it has the diameter of roughly 400,000 km…they need to circle this about million times, which makes the distance the hammer has to do to be about 400,000,000,000 km…speed of light is only 299 792 km per second. How much time it would take the hammer to circle an entire PLANET the size of Apokolips in lightspeed, million times?
1334258 seconds = 22237 minutes = 370 hours = fifteen DAYS. Hell, our characters would not even need to pay attention to it.
I don’t know, something kind of tells me that they haven’t thought this “We make the hammer to circle the entire planet we stand on” idea through.
Remember, that is what they said. They aren’t going to figure out where our characters are, so they will envelop the entire battlefield in the vortex because we could be anywhere in the planet. Sucks to them, but the hammer won’t be able to complete the vortex as quickly as they want it…
What this means? OUR MAGIC ISN’T GOING ANYWHERE!
4. The fight itself.
We have Silver Surfer + Quantum Bands + All-Star Superman + Captain Marvel + telepathy, telekinesis, teleportation near-equal to Loki + dozens of different magics cruising inside his body that are further amplified by Uru and Netherium bracers and gloves. That is 6 heralds on one character…
Then there All-Star Superman + Captain Marvel + Durok + telepathy, telekinesis, teleportation near-equal to Loki + dozens of different magics cruising inside his body that are further amplified by Uru and Netherium bracers and gloves…5 Heralds on All-Star Superman…
And All-Star Superman + telepathy, telekinesis, teleportation near-equal to Loki + dozens of different magics cruising inside his body that are further amplified by Uru and Netherium bracers and gloves + Wonder Woman + the other character he can turn into the match…5 heralds on Black Alice too…
We also have Quantum Boards. And whole lot of tactics.
They have Adam Warlock (One herald) Thor (One herald) and Space Phantom is in Limbo for trying to take the form of immortal. Oh, and Thor’s hammer is apparently on 15 day trip around the planet.
16 heralds power VS 2 heralds power. Who do you think will win?
Newjak’s Voting Decision:
Prep arguments:
Here is how I see the prep going after reading through everyone’s posts
Blair Wind/Darkcrawler:
Here is how I see your prep going. I don’t think you will get the AS Superman potion done within the time frame. It is kind of a stretch to take a process that took days and squeeze into 20 minutes much less few minutes even with the Keeper. I also believe you only get Loki’s level of TP nothing more. As for the rest of it of it I don’t see any problems.
Digimark/Scoobless:
I do believe that BW and DC discredited your Space Phantom ideas. It isn’t that I don’t believe that immortals limit him or that Silver Surfer is immortal. The thing that hurt you is this even when countering their argument you never gave proof or one instance where Space Phantom went over an Ironman Level character. So there is no reason for me to believe he can take on herald level characters or the Uni-power. If you could have given one instant where he could take a herald level character in power I would have been for it. This pretty much ruins your prep I know but I think you make up for it in your battle.
BATTLE TIME:
This is defiantly a doozie right here. This how I see the battle playing out.
I do believe BW and DC didn’t take into consideration that being so small would limit there ability to effectively deal will things. Atom sized things just don’t effect planet sized objects that may be millions of miles away without having to take sometime especially since I don’t believe you guys have AS Supes powers with the Keeper. So I feel Thor will be able to get his Hammer going. I do not feel that BA can take over the hammer since it would be a regard to the Cap limits she had to fall under to be allowed in. So all your magical abilities are gone as far as I’m concerned. Even if you eventually teleport the Hammer away hard since I think your magical abilities are done for I find it hard to believe all your power ups would come back since they are just power ups all coming from BA. So for the most part I think all your prep time on both sides basically goes down the toilet.
As for the rest of the fight basically both teams turned this into a two on two match. Space Phantom is gone simply because Digi and Scoobs never offered any viable option for him in case their power-ups didn’t wok even saying that if it didn’t work he will turn into Ironman would have helped. So I have no option but to discredit him from the rest of the match. I also believe BA has also become essentially worthless. Even though she received 15% of some Power Cosmic that is still well below a mid-tier if you ask me so she is basically a gnat in this match she won’t be able to keep up. Especially being atom sized.
I do feel that Warlock can at least screw with the boards both via Soul Link and telepathically to keep the Keeper at bay and subdued especially since you gave up 30% of Keeper’s PC. So I feel AS Supes and Thor are the only open characters to engage now. The problem is that Supes is Atom Sized and Thor is basically a galaxy away from him. Thor without his Surfer enhancement probably won’t be able to really find Supes either. Even if they were able to engage no one could convince me a clear cut winner can be assumed.
The Parademons I think really are a nonfactor I don't see anyone under these conditions taking over any parademons.
At this point I would like to say stalemate. We have two characters that are worthless, two that are locked in mortal battle over control of some boards, and two that just won’t be able to engage each other to well but we all know a winner must be declared.
The Part everyone wants the CONCLUSION
Basically I’m gonna go with Digi/Scoob. Thor’s Omni-directional Lightning Attack should be able to reach and hit your guy’s team with their defenses down somewhat. With it basically hitting you with the force of a small planet due to your size and Thor’s pretty good damage output I think it could really mess people up. Even if AS Supes can survive he would still be pretty injured maybe too much to continue. Keeper would survive although he would loose control of his boards if any concentration were broken which could effect. Basically I think this may become a two vs. one and with Keeper having only 70% of his power cosmic I don’t think he can do it. Although I will point out as small as they are there is still a chance the lightning could miss them but as of right now I see it as the only attack that actually has a chance of hitting.
Not completey sure this is finished (though it seems to be) but as DC posted I may as well reply
Post ... um.... #6? 😕 - Uni-Thor
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
The fact is, we have without doubt proved that Space Phantom simply can’t turn into immortals.
You proved nothing. period.
Space Phantom believes his limitations are due to immortality ... there is no clear evidence to support this anywhere. Thor had many, much more, reasonable reasons for resisting Space Phantom.
You need me to go get you a scan of Spider-Man saying he can't lift something then lifting on the next page?
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Our Uru is more strong then normal Uru, like said, it was made by the three best dwarven blacksmiths in the heart of the Sun...our armor’s molecular structure isn’t just taken from some random piece of Uru, it is taken STRAIGHT from Mjolnir, and we can make it stronger with our molecular control…notice that they never bothered to counter that.
I'm fairly sure Uru cannot be replicated scientifically as it has innate magical properties .... has Keeper ever recreated magical items before?
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
The size and range of our powers are not dependant on our size.
Of course they are.
On earth your max range for teleportation was the moon, in the microverse the same relative distance limit would be true ... the equivalent of earth to moon (probably from one atom to one electron) ... it's not like when the Human Torch goes to the Microverse he ignites the entire world when he flames on, relativity is completely relevant here.
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
How much time it would take the hammer to circle an entire PLANET the size of Apokolips in lightspeed, million times?
The hammer is not under the same speed restrictions as the participants.... the fact that it's a completely magical process means you have no way to determine the speed it will reach and Thor has a long history of having Mjolnir accomplish these types of tasks through sheer force of will ... The hammer will travel as fast as is needed to perform it's given mission.
Your guess at a million times is simply more of the same completely unproven speculation that your team is becoming famous for.
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
That is 6 heralds on one character…5 Heralds on All-Star Superman…
5 heralds on Black Alice too…
27 heralds on top of Warlock and Thor is now equal to around 50 heralds
🙄
Originally posted by Blair WindI know you did I just don't see where you guys would get the time to do so.
.....while you can keep the vote I guess, we did grow in size during the first attack....just saying.Digi/Scoobs: 1
BW/DC: 0
Either way it was a close match and throughout the week I thought over every outcome. You guys put up one hell of a match I was undecidied even when I was writing up my reply it was until I had to make a conclussion that I declared a winner.
No matter the outcome good job bothsides 😉
Three points:
We were growing during the attack. I quote myself here as I say: Our massive telekinetic/telepathy attack (Surfer’s best x 1000) has confused the opposing team. Even if only for a millisecond, it still served the purpose, and our team has the surprise attack when they grow from their small size right next to the opposing team. So the hammer would be relatively the same size as it always is as we either teleport it, quantum shield it (like he did from Thunderstrike), or turn to Dargo to take it away from you.
Batdude limited the speed of all objects to lightspeed.
Surfer recreated Beta's hammer.
Now.....are we all done?
edit: Its ok NJ...but we were growing while TP/TK them and having the boards expand 😬
Originally posted by Blair Wind
telekinetic/telepathy attack (Surfer’s best x 1000)
Only if he was as weak as Sandu before any upgrade ... Loki can't give powers above his own.
Originally posted by Blair Wind
Batdude limited the speed of all objects to lightspeed.Surfer recreated Beta's hammer.
Only characters were limited.
Surfer made a new hammer which Odin then gave magic properties to, Keeper cannot create magical materials.
Originally posted by Blair Wind
Now.....are we all done?
Pretty much.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/430696_1-batdudes-tourney-discussion-thread
Originally posted by batdude123
1. Speed- I realize that I can’t stop faster characters from speedblitzing. It’s kind of a cheap tactic to use, but having a speed advantage is one of the best advantages you can possibly have on another character. However, I WILL make a limit on how fast a character can go, and that limit is the speed of light. No character with the capability to go past it will be allowed to go past this cut off mark. I don’t want to read through the matches and see “SPEEDBLITZ” every third word. Also, FASTER than light reaction times (if it applies to some characters) gets cut down to light speed reaction times. However, Flash is still going to be nixed for this tourney.
Restrictions on characters only.
Originally posted by batdude123
b. Matter manipulation- No direct matter manipulation on the other team. For example, doing something like turning anybody into a piece of metal is banned. Also, matter manipulation during prep on one of your teammates is banned as well. However, matter manipulation on the environment is acceptable.
Guess that means the whole Uru thing was completely against the rules to start with.
🙂
Originally posted by Scoobless
Only characters were limited.
I dont care anymore about the match, as we all agreed it was done, but we are telling you Batdude TOLD us, it was only lightspeed. For EVERYTHING. We asked him in the VERY FIRST MATCH. Sorry bucko 🙂
ps: Surfer did the hammer.
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/CosmicPowersUnlimited05-07.jpg
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/CosmicPowersUnlimited05-08.jpg
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/CosmicPowersUnlimited05-10.jpg
Not really, we changed the galactic glaze into the Uru...not ourselves
.....whatever. Now I am just waiting for the judges 🙂
