Re: The Apocalypse Respect Thread
Greetings. This is RidleyPrime. ; Don't mind my name. I normally tend to use the same name I used when joining the first forum I had registered at 😛 (most of which were video gaming forums). Otherwise, my forum name probably would've been something Apocalypse/En Sabah Nur-related...
And eh, to be honest, I first stumbled upon this forum earlier when I clicked on an external link on the Apocalypse (comics) wikipedia page, which led to this thread. lol In a way, the intelligent discussion I saw going on in this thread about my favorite comic book super-villain convinced me to join this forum, especially since I noticed that this topic was still active not too long ago, so um, yays? >.> (I realize I copied & pasted most of the stuff from my introduction thread here, but I thought it was necessary in this case since this is the one thread that introduced me to this place, so I thank you for that, Evil_Ash). ; Guess I should've known it was the thread author who made most of the recent chances to Apocalypse's wikipedia article though (I noticed the render of Apocalypse in his sig is that same image on the wikipedia page where his powers of controlling the molecules in his body was used to turn his arms into weapons 😛).
Anyhow, nice to meet you all, but enough about me.
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Although I already knew quite a bit about Apocalypse before laying eyes on this place, I still learned quite a bit about him from this thread, such as the fact that he restrained the Incredible Hulk with just one arm (I already knew that he had made him into his horseman of War though), as well as the fact that he teamed up with Cable to take out Onslaught.
As for the "Rise of Apocalypse" series I saw posted in this thread earlier, those were pretty interesting as well. I enjoyed reading those. 🙂 They were a lot more descriptive than that flash-back about his origin from X-Men Evolution (which Beast spoke about in that one episode). The show didn't even mention the fact that Rama-Tut was actually Kang the Conquerer who time-traveled from the future (30th century-ish). I don't think he was a Celestial though... One other difference I noticed was that in the flash-back of X-Men Evolution, Baal (the one who found Nur when he was abandoned as an infant during Ancient Egypt and trained him to be a warrior) was killed by one of the Egyptian soldiers on the surface. In the comics on the other hand, he died alone when he was underground (inside Rama-Tut's vessel) with Nur, while attempting to show him his "destiny". Goes to show how non-canon the cartoon/animated series of something comic-based usually is. 😛
Speaking of Apocalypse's origin just got me thinking of something else though. How do you think he would've turned out had Kang the Conquerer (Rama-Tut) not time-traveled to the time Nur was born (the Egyptians would not have hunted down him or the Sandstormers) ? Do you think he still would've become bitter towards the human race (like he did when Nefertiri (sp?) betrayed him & broke his heart) and came upon the Celestial technology that upgraded all his mutant powers later on, or do you think he would've been... different?
Needless to say, it's hard to imagine someone who gave himself the name that means the end of the world to ever truly be one of the good guys. 😛
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By the way, just thought I'd let you know that the episode videos on youtube (that were posted as links earlier) had gotten removed due to copyright/terms of use violations, unfortunately. That's usually how it is with youtube when it comes to episode videos of basically any TV show. veoh.com on the other hand is much more tolerant when it comes to episode videos, and it has episodes of both X-Men Evolution and X-Men TAS with Apocalypse in it. Unfortunately, I can't post a link to any of the episode videos with Apocalypse in it due to a policy this place seems to have about new users posting links to other places/sites...
Anyhow, long live the world's first mutant. 🙂
I posted several TAS episodes on page 4 at the bottom. thanks for the props. 👆 Ash, me, and Jyppe made this thread.
Would Apoc be different without the Kang influence? Possibly. But I think he still would have become a villain. And Kang had nothing to do with Apoc finding the celestial tech. I think he would have attained his powers later in life, as oppposed to when he did get them.
You can watch the TAS episodes with Apocalypse here:
The Cure
http://www.dailymotion.com/relevance/search/X-Men%2Bthe%2Bcure/video/xkoog_xmen-1x09-the-cure
Come The Apocalypse
http://www.dailymotion.com/beyondfear/video/xkp3n_xmen-1x10-come-the-apocalypse
Time Fugitives Part I
http://www.bolt.com/mr-riot/video/Time_Fugitives__Part_1_fu/2701262
Time Fugitives Part II
http://www.bolt.com/mr-riot/video/Time_Fugitives__Part_2_fu/2701404
Time Fugitives Part I & II (bad quality)
http://www.dailymotion.com/relevance/search/Time%2BFugitives/video/xb6rl_xmen-time-fugitives
Obsession
http://www.bolt.com/mr-riot/video/Obsession_full_episode/2707876
Beyond Good & Evil
http://www.bolt.com/video/viewed/all/keywords/X-Men+Beyond+Good+and+Evil/page1
The Fifth Horseman
http://www.bolt.com/mr-riot/video/The_Fifth_Horseman_full_e/2780958
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
I posted several TAS episodes on page 4 at the bottom. thanks for the props. 👆 Ash, me, and Jyppe made this thread.Would Apoc be different without the Kang influence? Possibly. But I think he still would have become a villain. And Kang had nothing to do with Apoc finding the celestial tech. I think he would have attained his powers later in life, as oppposed to when he did get them.
Ah. So you 3 together made this thread? You all did a real good job then. 😎 I find it a distinctive honor to finally talk with others whose knowledge of the X-Men and Apocalypse (as well as a couple other comic series) is on par with that of mine.
And yes. Those videos on page 4 was what I was referring to 😛, which all (except for that cool music video) are useless now due to the episodes getting removed from youtube...
But yeah. I guess you're right that he'd still become a villain regardless (I knew Kang's role in Apocalypse's life didn't really have anything to do with Nur meeting with Essex and finding that Celestial ship later on; Guess I should've left that part out to avoid confusion) because even if the Egyptian soldiers hadn't of tried hunting down En Sabah Nur and the Sandstormers, Baal and everyone else in his tribe (except Nur) would've eventually died of old age, which probably would've given Nur a sense of feeling that he didn't really belong with the humans (for the same reasons he felt when Nefertiri turned on him), so yeah (Cable would've still tried killing him later on via time-traveling either way). I suppose him becoming a villain was rather inevitable. 'tis okay though. Someone like him's way too powerful to be one of the good guys. If he were a part of the X-Men or Brotherhood for instance, they'd be able to take on anything the humans and Sentinels could throw at 'em. 😆
And eh, aside from that, there never really was a point (that's canon) where he fought Magneto and won, was there? 🙁 (excluding the Age Of Apocalypse series since that takes place in an alternate time-line where Genesis goes back in time and attempts to kill Magneto before he became a super-villain, but accident ended up killing Xavier instead, which started the AOA; AOA Apocalypse and AOA Magneto were both much weaker than their 616 counterparts anyhow, which from what I can tell, is pretty much the only reason the master of magnetism managed to rip Apocalypse in half).
Also, I wonder if/when this "debt" Apocalypse owed the Celestials for lending him their technology ever gets revealed. I keep getting curiouser and curiouser about it. Whatever it was, it's obviously something important since Apocalypse even accepted death at first (shortly after the events of The Twelve saga) in an attempt to avoid giving them what he owed, which they revived him for doing so...
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One other thing I thought I'd bring up for now is that when I was looking at Onslaught's wikipedia page, it said on one part that "It is rumoured that if a fourth X-men film is made, Professor X in his new body will become Onslaught or the silver surfer."
Considering that Angel (Warren Worthington III) was in the 3rd X-Men movie (as well as if he also appears in the 4th movie & becomes the Arch-Angel of Death), and considering the slight possibility that the above quote is true, we know what that means... 😱
A movie with Apocalypse in it (much less there even being an X-Men 4) is highly unlikely as of now though, since the only thing that's been confirmed for future X-Men media so far are spin-off movies for Wolverine and Magneto 🙁...
Originally posted by Evil_Ash
You can watch the TAS episodes with Apocalypse here:
Already seen them (I don't seem to even be able to quote complete posts people make that have links in them as of now), but yeah. It's still good that they were posted since they got deleted from youtube...
As far as the non-canon animated series(s) go however, I thought it was much cooler when Storm, Mystique, Xavier, and Magneto were his 4 Horsemen in the final season of X-Men Evolution than any of the Horsemen he had in the original animated series. 😛 I doubt they compare to the likes of War Hulk this, as his Celestial technology (a different kind than Apocalypse's, apparently) allowed him to own the Juggernaut. Apocalypse probably would've been able to do that too though, in many ways. Perhaps he could've used his powers of teleportation to sneak behind Juggernaut and undo the latches of his helmet to take it off, and then own him with telekinesis 🙄 (yes. Apocalypse does have that power as well, which you guys probably already know).
Anyhow, I'm glad to be able to contribute to this great thread of ya'll's. 😎
Originally posted by Evil_Ash
Yeah, and I'm an Apocalypse hater. 😐
At first I believed him (being new here and all, which is an easy thing for people to take advantage of), but he was really just pulling my leg after all, wasn't he? 🙁 (at least that's the feeling I got after reading your sarcastic response 😛)
Anyhow, um, sorry if my replies caused any controversy. 😕 Didn't mean for this to happen...
p.s. Anyone have comic scans of Apocalypse temporarily teaming up with the X-Men to take down Stryfe that they'd be willing to post? >.> I haven't seen those in a long time, so I kind of forgot the exact details in them, and would definitely like to see 'em again. ^.^ From what I remember, Stryfe takes advantage of Apocalypse's lack of time in the Lazarus Chamber (for him to fully rejuvenate himself), and gains the upper hand by telekinetically throwing him around 🙁...
Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
At first I believed him (being new here and all, which is an easy thing for people to take advantage of), but he was really just pulling my leg after all, wasn't he? 🙁 (at least that's the feeling I got after reading your sarcastic response 😛)Anyhow, um, sorry if my replies caused any controversy. 😕 Didn't mean for this to happen...
p.s. Anyone have comic scans of Apocalypse temporarily teaming up with the X-Men to take down Stryfe that they'd be willing to post? >.> I haven't seen those in a long time, so I kind of forgot the exact details in them, and would definitely like to see 'em again. ^.^ From what I remember, Stryfe takes advantage of Apocalypse's lack of time in the Lazarus Chamber (for him to fully rejuvenate himself), and gains the upper hand by telekinetically throwing him around 🙁...
Ridley >>>> Apocalypse.
That is all I have to say.
Oh, and, Bran has the scans you need.
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
I posted several TAS episodes on page 4 at the bottom. thanks for the props. 👆 Ash, me, and Jyppe made this thread.Would Apoc be different without the Kang influence? Possibly. But I think he still would have become a villain. And Kang had nothing to do with Apoc finding the celestial tech. I think he would have attained his powers later in life, as oppposed to when he did get them.
Cable is responsible for Apocs continued existence.
Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
Ridley >>>> Apocalypse.That is all I have to say.
Oh, and, Bran has the scans you need.
Oh. Um, okay then. >.> Thanks. ^.^
Originally posted by Martian_mind
Cable is responsible for Apocs continued existence.
True, thanks to that Techno-Organic Virus he infected Cable with long ago. Plus, there's these 2 paragraphs from the wikipedia article about him (not sure if it was one of the guys here who added them or not)...
Cable also revealed that he was responsible for Apocalypse's revival, stating that the mutant community needed a powerful threat to rally against. Believing that the X-Men would inevitably defeat Apocalypse yet again and that it would bring the remaining mutant community together, Cable judged "the risks worth the rewards."
Apocalypse reminded Cable that even if he is defeated, he will return stronger than before, to which Cable responded. "Good, the world needs you to be stronger, Apocalypse....It's always helped us be stronger."
Pretty interesting stuff, yes? 🙄 In a sense, the threat of Apocalypse has proven itself to be a source of peace and togetherness between the X-Men, Brotherhood, and Acolytes. ; En Sabah Nur's just cool like that. 😛
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p.s. Now that I'm finally able to post links (or so it seems), here's that one episode video of X-Men Evolution with Apocalypse in it that I was going to post earlier, but couldn't...
p.s. I've always wondered something...
What exactly are those... things (some might call them cords) that connect from Apocalypse's back area to his arms? (they only show up when wearing his Celestial armor by the way) And what do they do exactly?
I couldn't help but wonder why those were there for some reason >.>, and I doubt they're there just to look pretty... I reckon it might be painful if someone pulled on them though. 😘
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p.s. Here's a few VS matches of Apocalypse I came across not too long ago (in no exact order). Some might make you happy. Some might make you laugh. Some might make you want to cry...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNOCMTvDAz0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81LSiUBqXP4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXIwKbkPOv0
... yeah. Mugen makes him look like crap like that most of the time. I know... But here's a couple that made me happy. 🙂
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rH4zO_2QSu0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FR2D5FXSkOE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwsaRGeasDg
In this next one however, he gets a "time out". 🙁 You'll see what I mean soon enough...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9616MhaFRk
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y05hjHhYKys
Meh. Anyhow, enjoy 😛, I guess.
Originally posted by Evil_Ash
That was just a dying Apocalypse....
True. The same definitely wouldn't have happened had he been at full power, as Apocalypse was in desperate need of another regeneration cycle in the Lazarus Chamber at the time (due to a brief conflict he had with the X-Men not too long before)...
Sadly though, 'tis currently the only Apocalypse vs Stryfe image scan I know where to find. 😛 🙁 I was hoping to see the rest of what happened during that saga (like Apocalypse getting his revenge), as it's been a long time since I've seen the rest of that...
Originally posted by Evil_Ash
I actually think it's quite impressive that a dying Apocalypse managed to go through all that beating and being stabbed with a sword through his body and still live.
