The Apocalypse Respect Thread

Have you all forgotten that Wanda hand crafted the entire House of M continuity to give everyone, specifically her Father, what they wanted?

So it's not that Magneto was more powerful or Apocalypse was weaker or anything like that. The writer (Wanda) simply laid down the law "Magneto beats everyone 'cause I say so."

So really, I personally wouldn't hold most scans from House of M or it's in-universe tie ins (with the exception of Exiles and Deadpool and Cable) on even the same level you keep even What If...?s when it comes to out of 616 continuity feats.

House of M until the end of it was just "The Punisher kills the Marvel Universe" but with better art.

Originally posted by Mr.Mxyzptlk
Have you all forgotten that Wanda hand crafted the entire House of M continuity to give everyone, specifically her Father, what they wanted?

So it's not that Magneto was more powerful or Apocalypse was weaker or anything like that. The writer (Wanda) simply laid down the law "Magneto beats everyone 'cause I say so."

So really, I personally wouldn't hold most scans from House of M or it's in-universe tie ins (with the exception of Exiles and Deadpool and Cable) on even the same level you keep even What If...?s when it comes to out of 616 continuity feats.

House of M until the end of it was just "The Punisher kills the Marvel Universe" but with better art.

That is why I said that this event was anyway dedicated pretty much to Magneto.

Originally posted by Xplosive

Heh! same tactic I used to beat Trick in our battlezone debate (Guardian vs. Apoc)

Sad thing is, that technique has failed in the past. 🙁 Apoc gets so screwed in Marvel. :cry:

Originally posted by -K-M-
Heh! same tactic I used to beat Trick in our battlezone debate (Guardian vs. Apoc)

I just finished reading that.

And I lol'ed.

From Adventures of the X-Men #6:

Apocalypse vs. Magneto and the X-Men

Originally posted by -K-M-
Heh! same tactic I used to beat Trick in our battlezone debate (Guardian vs. Apoc)

I remember that.

Originally posted by Bad Ash231
From Adventures of the X-Men #6:

Apocalypse vs. Magneto and the X-Men

He handled Magneto with ease. X-Men said they had him on the ropes, while he wasn't hurt at all, it was nothing to him, no harm (even after their full combined attack). He would have killed them all, if the battle continued, if wanted. What would make it even easier would be, if Apocalypse would rise to enormous size or would go seriously in battle from the beginning and not only talk with them while they were attacking him.

I lol'ed at posting a comic book series that is based on the animated series in an attempt to save some dignity. 😂

I think what Apocalypse fans are pissed about, besides Magneto defeating Apocalypse twice, and the fact that in neither in those instances Magneto was at his best (in AoA he had his power cut in half if I remember correctly, not to mention the torture through which he went before the fight, while in HoM, as I said: the fact that this is a relativly inexperienced Magneto, in a place devoid of metal which he could use to attack Apocalypse like he noted, not flying and still beating Apocalypse), it's the fact that Magneto actually beat Magneto through a method that despite Apocalypse's molecular control that people like to point out at every goddamn occasion, is still legit, no matter what anybody says. 🙂

Originally posted by Philosophía
I lol'ed at posting a comic book series that is based on the animated series in an attempt to save some dignity. 😂

I think what Apocalypse fans are pissed about, besides Magneto defeating Apocalypse twice, and the fact that in neither in those instances Magneto was at his best (in AoA he had his power cut in half if I remember correctly, not to mention the torture through which he went before the fight, while in HoM, as I said: the fact that this is a relativly inexperienced Magneto, in a place devoid of metal which he could use to attack Apocalypse like he noted, not flying and still beating Apocalypse), it's the fact that Magneto actually beat Magneto through a method that despite Apocalypse's molecular control that people like to point out at every goddamn occasion, is still legit, no matter what anybody says. 🙂

No, Apocalypse fans aren't pissed, because it's not canon (well, at least I am not). About HoM, Magneto fans like to bring up how Magneto wasn't at his bast an killed Apocalypse, but no one even mention that in actual battle Apocalypse could tear his head off and killed him easily. But he talked too much. Of course, Apocalypse had to be defeated no matter what.

Here, Apocalypse at least made a joke out of experienced Magneto.

After so many years, it's odd that Apocalypse and Magneto never met in a battle against each other in 616. Personally, I think classic Apocalypse would make a short work of Magneto, but I would still like to see Apocalypse Vs. Magneto in 616.

Originally posted by Xplosive
No, Apocalypse fans aren't pissed, because it's not canon (well, at least I am not)

I really have a hard time beliving that.

Originally posted by Xplosive
About HoM, Magneto fans like to bring up how Magneto wasn't at his bast an killed Apocalypse, but no one even mention that in actual battle Apocalypse could tear his head off and killed him easily. But he talked too much. Of course, Apocalypse had to be defeated no matter what.

Why would Magneto get physicall and allow Apocalypse to use the method you mentioned ? It is very obvious that Magneto relies on his power, and not on his physicall abilities in fights. And he doesn't even need to since he has his shield to protect him. That statements sounds like it's coming from a pissed fan going "But .. but .. he's liek totally more powerfull .. he'll just .. RIP HIS HEAD OFF EASILY". Lulz.

Originally posted by Xplosive
Here, Apocalypse at least made a joke out of experienced Magneto.

I lol'ed.
Anyway, I'm not even going to start discussing a comic that is based on the animated series 😂

Originally posted by Philosophía
I really have a hard time beliving that.

For me or generally.

Originally posted by Philosophía
Why would Magneto get physicall and allow Apocalypse to use the method you mentioned ? It is very obvious that Magneto relies on his power, and not on his physicall abilities in fights. And he doesn't even need to since he has his shield to protect him. That statements sounds like it's coming from a pissed fan going "But .. but .. he's liek totally more powerfull .. he'll just .. RIP HIS HEAD OFF EASILY". Lulz.

You did read AoA? Don't play too smart. Believe, I am not a pissed fan and I couldn't care less. And, it's not a canon, so who gives a shit.
And I am talking when Apocalypse was choking him and was talking too much at the time, allowing Magneto to give everything he got. Apocalypse was talking to him while choking him and Apocalypse being so strong could tear his head off in a split second, literally.
He could also kill him when he defeated Magneto and Bishop at the combined in AoA.
He could kill him so many times during AoA, even at the final battle. Apocalypse was killed because he had to be, no matter what.

Apocalypse has come to such a degree that he has become pretty much one of the biggest joke in MU.

Originally posted by Xplosive
You did read AoA? Don't play too smart. Believe, I am not a pissed fan and I couldn't care less. And, it's not a canon, so who gives a shit.
And I am talking when Apocalypse was choking him and was talking too much at the time, allowing Magneto to give everything he got. Apocalypse was talking to him while choking him and Apocalypse being so strong could tear his head off in a split second, literally.
He could also kill him when he defeated Magneto and Bishop at the combined in AoA.
He could kill him so many times during AoA, even at the final battle. Apocalypse was killed because he had to be, no matter what.

Apocalypse has come to such a degree that he has become pretty much one of the biggest joke in MU.

Where exactly did you mention that you were talking about AoA ? You said that in an actual battle, Apocalypse could just tear his head off and finish him easily, no direct refference to AoA.
Magneto outsmarted him and made him think he doesn't even fight back anymore, while in fact he was concentrating and then beat him.
You mean when he pretty much for all intents sucker punched Magneto from behind ? Lulz.

Because Magneto has defeated him ? Seriously, this 'he is a joober, that's why Magneto beat him' doesn't really work.

Originally posted by Philosophía
Where exactly did you mention that you were talking about AoA ? You said that in an actual battle, Apocalypse could just tear his head off and finish him easily, no direct refference to AoA.
Magneto outsmarted him and made him think he doesn't even fight back anymore, while in fact he was concentrating and then beat him.
You mean when he pretty much for all intents sucker punched Magneto from behind ? Lulz.

I mean in actual battle in AoA, but I said HoM. Didn't see it until now. Sorry.

Anyway, Nate and Magneto first together fought against Apocalypse.
They were overwhelming him, but didn't real harm him. Apocalypse didn't sucker punch him, he got to him and if properly written, such character as Apocalypse and in such time (when he was in time people endangered his rule) should kill him immediately. He is Apocalypse and should go for a kill.

Anyway, it doesn't matter, Magneto killed him.

Originally posted by Philosophía
Because Magneto has defeated him ? Seriously, this 'he is a joober, that's why Magneto beat him' doesn't really work.

No, not because of Magneto. I think you also know that Apocalypse can be written as a joke, pretty much more than anyone.

And actually I think you are more fan of Magneto than me of Apocalypse.

I mean in actual battle in AoA, but I said HoM. Didn't see it until now. Sorry.

Cool.
From the way you worded it, I understood you said how people like to mention that Magneto wasn't at his best in HoM but in a real fight Apocalypse would rip Magneto's head off.

Anyway, Nate and Magneto first together fought against Apocalypse.
They were overwhelming him, but didn't real harm him.

It was Magneto who first attacked Apocalypse physically, until he stopped fighting to protect the child IIRC. Then, Nate comes, they both start fighting Apocalypse, overwhelm him, Holocaust comes back and starts fighting Nate again, and Apocalypse jumps on Magneto, with Magneto eventually beating him.

Apocalypse didn't sucker punch him, he got to him and if properly written, such character as Apocalypse and in such time (when he was in time people endangered his rule) should kill him immediately. He is Apocalypse and should go for a kill.

Anyway, it doesn't matter, Magneto killed him.

I'm talking about the Bishop example.

Anyway .. why are we having this discussion again ? Like you said, Magneto killed him.

What we have to see is Apocalypse Vs. Magneto in 616.

Originally posted by Xplosive
What we have to see is Apocalypse Vs. Magneto in 616.

Originally posted by Philosophía
I lol'ed at posting a comic book series that is based on the animated series in an attempt to save some dignity. 😂

I found it and thought it was cool. shrug

At least it isn't a Apoc/Mags fight that's centered on Magneto, something I'd actually like to see for once in the 616 verse.

And why wouldn't I be posting scans of Apoc kicking some ass? This is his respect thread.

Originally posted by Philosophía
I think what Apocalypse fans are pissed about, besides Magneto defeating Apocalypse twice, and the fact that in neither in those instances Magneto was at his best (in AoA he had his power cut in half if I remember correctly

Woopidoo! And neither of those stories are canon. 😐

Nate Grey was said to rival Apocalypse in power. So: Less powerful Magneto >>>>>>>>>>>>> Apocalypse and Nate Grey?

AoA was nonsensical.

Originally posted by vansonbee
ya and he lost, but its not a bad feat to lose against Magneto, Mag consider Apocalypse a good right hand man

What don't you understand? Which part?