Originally posted by Hercules
"Muscle Rock" just typing it makes me shudder!Anyway, I've always thought Sasquatch was under rated, he is definetly going to be giving Colossus trouble, I may change my opinion about Colossus getting to number 8.
Sas is definetly going to give him some serious trouble.
"So you think you'll take another Piece of me, for your intellectual need?"
I suggest you check out the Sasquatch Respect Thread, as his tossing 250 tons 1000 feet isn't his most impressive one. Colossus is not getting past a non-jobbing Sasquatch.
I fully believe Sasquatch will give him his toughest fight BY FAR. But I believe that Colossus's skills are superior to Sassy's, even if his strength is not. And Colossus is actually quite tactical as well.
I see Colossus just barely defeating Sasquatch but being put down by the White Martian.
And no, Thing does not stop him. 😐
Originally posted by Metalmanx
I fully believe Sasquatch will give him his toughest fight BY FAR. But I believe that Colossus's skills are superior to Sassy's, even if his strength is not. And Colossus is actually quite tactical as well.I see Colossus just barely defeating Sasquatch but being put down by the White Martian.
Of course I disagree, as Sasquatch fighting skill are not vastly inferior to Colossus. Ummm...so is Walter, he is a super genius after all.
Originally posted by King_MungiIt's not Shatner. It's better than Shatner.
That better not be Shatner in your sig 🙁
It's Denny Crane. 😎
That statement alone is sufficient enough to tell me you're the one that doesn't know a damn thing about Colossu.
So, Colossus isn't a joke compared to Hulk? Thor? Full-Powered Wrecker? Bi-Beast? Wonder-Man? Sasquatch? Namor? Thing has fought them all and done pretty well in all of them.
Tell me when Tin Man forcibly removes Prince Namor from the water. Or is hurting Thor or Bi-Beast with his punches.
Originally posted by Nikkolas
So, Colossus isn't a joke compared to Hulk? Thor? Full-Powered Wrecker? Bi-Beast? Wonder-Man? Sasquatch? Namor? Thing has fought them all and done pretty well in all of them.Tell me when Tin Man forcibly removes Prince Namor from the water. Or is hurting Thor or Bi-Beast with his punches.
Now you're just misunderstanding me.
I know that Hulk/Thor/Full-Powered Wrecker/Bi-Beast/Wonder-Man/Namor > Colossus. But I also know that Hulk/Thor/Full-Powered Wrecker/Bi-Beast/Wonder-Man/Namor > Thing, too.
Colossus is stronger than Thing. He's far more durable. He's arguably a better fighter. He's more agile. He's faster. He's smarter. He's tactically smarter. He has superior endurance.
And honestly, I'd LOVE to show you Colossus dragging Namor out of the water. Problem is, he hasn't done it. Not because he can't, but because he hasn't. I'd also love if Colossus had a fraction of the number of showings Thing has. Like I've stated in a previous thread, if Colossus were also 1/4 of a permanently-four-person team, I'm sure I'd have many more feats for you.
Superman has never beaten Jubilee before. Does that mean he can't?
But I also know that Hulk/Thor/Full-Powered Wrecker/Bi-Beast/Wonder-Man/Namor > Thing, too.
Thing's taken the best shots Wrecker had and KO'ed him.
Thing stalemated Namor underwater.
Thing once had the edge in a fight with Hulk and the ONLY thing that allowed Hulk to win was Ben's love arriving and then him being distracted and Hulk cheapshotting him.
Thor...well, Thing once fought a no-hammer Thor. I forget how it went. It wasn't much of a fight, though.
Colossus is stronger than Thing.
I didn't realize Colossus had done anything on the level of yanking Namor out of the water against his will.
He's far more durable.
I didn't know Piotr has ever taken a nova Blast and not even been very hurt or KO'ed. Or been wailed on by FP Wrecker and his crowbar (while a power-sharing Wrecker KO'ed Hulk with one blow in the past....). One will be hard-pressed to find someone Thing HASNT' thrown down with. Colossus has a long way to go to prove he's as durable as Thing.
He's smarter.
...not even close to being as smart as Ben.
He's tactically smarter
Ben's usually goes against the top tier and higher and lives. It sure ain't because he's the most durable guy in the universe. He uses his head and, by doing so, usually looks good no matter who he fights.
And honestly, I'd LOVE to show you Colossus dragging Namor out of the water. Problem is, he hasn't done it. Not because he can't, but because he hasn't.
He probably doesn't go drag him out of the water 'cause he'd rust. 🙂
Colossus is always in X-books. He seldom appears in anything else. Which is one of the main reasons you'll never see him have fights like Ben's. he's busy fighting X-villains who are other mutants. Not the crap Ben squares off against on average.
Superman has never beaten Jubilee before. Does that mean he can't?
But Supes has shown things to make it reasonable for us to say he can.
What has the Tin Man shown us that makes it feasible that he could yank Namor out of the water?
I like how you selectively omitted this part...
Originally posted by Metalmanx...to which I take it you don't really have a response. doped
I'd also love if Colossus had a fraction of the number of showings Thing has. Like I've stated in a previous thread, if Colossus were also 1/4 of a permanently-four-person team, I'm sure I'd have many more feats for you.
Characters with solo titles, characters on smaller teams will invariably have more feats purely due to more appearances.
Thing is most certainly not Thor's level no matter how much heart he has.
Originally posted by Nikkolas
I didn't know Piotr has ever taken a nova Blast and not even been very hurt or KO'ed. Or been wailed on by FP Wrecker and his crowbar (while a power-sharing Wrecker KO'ed Hulk with one blow in the past....). One will be hard-pressed to find someone Thing HASNT' thrown down with. Colossus has a long way to go to prove he's as durable as Thing.
One could bring the point of the adamantium claws. Colossus has taken them at least once, without major damage. Well, Thing.. He just got owned by them.
One could also bring up the fights with Gladiator & Classic Juggernaut.
I didn't realize Colossus had done anything on the level of yanking Namor out of the water against his will.
AFAIK, Namor doesn't weight above 100 tons... That wasn't retconned to Thing punching Namor from the water, was it?
Thing is most certainly not Thor's level no matter how much heart he has.
He sure has given him pause in physical fights so he's not terribly outclassed.
One could bring the point of the adamantium claws. Colossus has taken them at least once, without major damage. Well, Thing.. He just got owned by them.
One could point out those claws cut Thanos...
Colossus > Thanos.?
One could also bring up the fights with Gladiator & Classic Juggernaut.
Except the fight with Classic Juggernaut was full of PIS and CIS. Ben wasn't fighting as he typically does.
And Glads power varies on his confidence. He beat the hell out of the entire FF so I'm guessing he was pretty confident. Can you prove he wasn't more confident , and thus more powerful, in that encounter?
One could also point out the crap Ben has done, like going through the Avengers line-up.
AFAIK, Namor doesn't weight above 100 tons... That wasn't retconned to Thing punching Namor from the water, was it?
Not that I know of.
And Namor doesn't weigh 100 tons. But every physical state is amped when he's in it, hence how he can lift destroyers and such. Yet Ben forcibly removed him from the water.