Blu-Ray Surpasses HD-DVD By 3 to 1 Margin

I made an oath to avoid this forum until the "gangbang PS3 ROWRZZZ" fad died down but I'm interested in hearing opinions about the "success" of the Blu-Ray.

http://www.gamepro.com/news.cfm?article_id=96008

http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=12660

http://www.joystiq.com/2007/02/05/ps3-driving-blu-ray-movie-sales-outpacing-hd-dvd/

http://techreport.com/onearticle.x/11782

http://blog.wired.com/games/2007/02/sony_ps3_drivin.html

So far it seems that Blu-Ray is winning the format war. And the gamble to make PS3 a Blu-Ray player in order to push their format has payed off. Which I really don't give a flying f*ck about since I believe that BOTH formats will ultimately lose to digital downloading.

Anyhoo, what interests me is how this will affect the PS3.

If (if it hasn't already) Blu-Ray gains dominance over HD-DVD, how will this affect the price of the PS3? Economic models tell us that the price of hardware will go down and the costs of making the hardware will go down.

Most analysts predict that Blu-Ray's dominance will not only collect large profit margins for Sony (possibly making up for their losses for the battery crisis and the PS3 costs) as well as a possible price drop for PS3 in the future.

Cheaper hardware + cheaper costs = Cheaper PS3?

Was this Sony's plan all along? Push the PS3 to win the format war even at its high price...than after winning the format war and gaining market dominance over high-definition formats lowering the price since the market is in their control?

Another question to ask is how this will affect Microsoft? Their game console has an optional HD-DVD player accessory but if HD-DVD tanks, they may be forced to use a Blu-Ray player accessory...if they can...or even if they want to.

Analysts also predict with Blu-Ray dominance, the price of the PS3 in the future could easily drop somewhere near Xbox 360.

Of course it's all speculation and too early to tell (a lesson we should ALL learn....) but it is interesting.

And it shows that perhaps Sony is more crafty than it appears.

Damn Slytherins they be....

Well, let's see....currently the Wii isn't offering neither Blu-ray or HD DVD. It's selling much more faster than the PS3.

So far...Sony's plan as far as Blu-ray goes nowhere.

As far as predicitions...well, they always take place in the future...not the present. So if Sony is looking towards the future rather than what is really happening....tough luck.

Btw- Since we're now in the proper forum...Explain exactly what you mean with this post.

Originally posted by Draco69

Personally, I just easily laugh at idiots who buy a Wii for 250 bucks when all it has is Zelda and sloppy shooter. Unless you're into games like Open Season and Spongebob Squarepants. Which I have no doubt you are...

The Wii doesn't have anything to do with this thread....

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It's selling like hotcakes due to it's gameplay appeal, hype and low price.

For what I see Sony is focusing on capital. Which may prove smart. Like Microsoft attempts to monopolize the the software market, Sony is trying to monopolize a sector of the electronic market. And it may prove to work very well in their favor.

However it may hurt consumers because they will lack choice. It may also benefit consumers because they have only one brand to choose from and it's cheap.

Also with HD increasingly becoming more standardized (in 2009 all analog TV will be shut off, we'll only be left with digital/HD signals) it's reasonable to assume that Sony is trying to put a very large stake in the future.

With the impending European launch, (with pre-orders records surpassing the Xbox and Wii by nearly a dozen times), it may prove to be the final stroke against HD-DVD.

If THAT happens, the format will experience a down cycle of price and availablity. The price will go down tremendously (possibly being just as expensive as a DVD) and the market will be under Sony's control.

Another factor is that several countries like Australia are in fact banning HD-DVD and becoming exclusive to Blu-Ray.

However I don't know how this will affect digital downloading.

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf

Btw- Since we're now in the proper forum...Explain exactly what you mean with this post.

Personally, I just easily laugh at idiots who buy a Wii for 250 bucks when all it has is Zelda and sloppy shooter. Unless you're into games like Open Season and Spongebob Squarepants. Which I have no doubt you are...

See. This is why I don't think you should be a moderator. You took my sentence out of context. And you know it.

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THIS is what I said:

Originally posted by Draco69
Um. No. Never said it was a bargain. I don't possess any of the three next-gen systems. Not worth the money since they don't have a big library and they're all too expensive. Why anyone would purchase these systems so early in their shelflife is beyond me...

Personally, I just easily laugh at idiots who buy a Wii for 250 bucks when all it has is Zelda and sloppy shooter. Unless you're into games like Open Season and Spongebob Squarepants. Which I have no doubt you are...

In reply to this childish remark:

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
What an incredible retort from a 20 year old who thinks the PS3 is a bargain at $600.00 and no games.

I stated that buying a PS3 AND a Wii this early was rather stupid to me since they had a very small library of games and were rather expensive.

Why you were made moderator is beyond me...

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Anyhoo, I think Microsoft may have made a mistake (emphasis on MAY).

If they had intergrated the HD-DVD drive (therefore making it as expensive as the PS3) the Xbox 360's early arrival could have made the HD-DVD format win the format war early.

Unless everyone reacted the same to that as they did to the PS3.

Microsoft also seems to be rather sluggish with their support of HD-DVD. I personally think it's just a stall until they get their HD movies available on Xbox Live. Which may default the win to digital online videos. However Sony has remarkable control over the movie industry and they're making buyable movies on their online (though crappy...) service as well.

Originally posted by Draco69
The Wii doesn't have anything to do with this thread....

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It's selling like hotcakes due to it's gameplay appeal, hype and low price.

Umm...yes it does...as long as you mention competition between the PS3 and Xbox 360 in any form, shape or content the Wii will always be there. Some of your arguments are base on predictions...that really isn't helping much.

I predict in 2010 people will still be watching regular DVD movies. See? it's easy to predict.

For what I see Sony is focusing on capital. Which may prove smart.

Maybe they should focus on gaming. That's where the real capital lies. Currently I can't put smart and Sony together...really, I can't.

Another factor is that several countries like Australia are in fact banning HD-DVD and becoming exclusive to Blu-Ray.

I find that hard to believe. But is possible that Blu-ray players will sell more than PS3. Last I read Australia is among the biggest buyers of Xbox 360.

See. This is why I don't think you should be a moderator. You took my sentence out of context. And you know it.

Nothing it's been taking out of context. That is why if you click "quote" anyone can read what it says. I'm not looking for a fight...Draco. I asked a simple question.

Why you were made moderator is beyond me...

How you keep backpedaling and changing your opion is also beyond me.

Please keep on topic guys, before the thread degenerates into a flame war.

As to the subject... I have no doubt that normal DVDs are still selling far better than either HD-DVD or Blu-Ray. It's always been my opinion that both formats just aren't different enough from the current accepted format to really be worthwhile to the average consumer.

Microsoft's action in making HD-DVD an accessory to the 360 instead of a mandatory feature was, in my mind, smart. It's there for the tech-savvy (who are really the only ones that want the new formats and actually have the money to buy them), but the price for the console itself stays lower, so that people who just don't care don't have to pay extra for what they don't want.

I'm actually a bit confused as to why this is here, as the Blu-ray/HD-DVD war really isn't video game related.

And if this is simply going to be "which is better of the PS3 and 360" then it should go in the Next-Gen thread.

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
Umm...yes it does...as long as you mention competition between the PS3 and Xbox 360 in any form, shape or content the Wii will always be there. Some of your arguments are base on predictions...that really isn't helping much.

Are you capable of reading.

The purpose (as indicated by title of thread...) is to discuss the Blu-Ray's current dominance over HD-DVD and how it will affect Sony's PS3 activities.

It has NOTHING to with the Wii as they don't even play DVDs. It's to discuss how Blu-Ray dominance may work in favor or not in favor of the PS3.

The Xbox 360 isn't even involved as they rather exempt from the format war as they have an optional accessory...

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Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
I predict in 2010 people will still be watching regular DVD movies. See? it's easy to predict.

Well, considering it's 2007 and it's not even three years down the line and there's no indication of DVDs starting to falter that's not a very impressive prediction....

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Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
Maybe they should focus on gaming. That's where the real capital lies. Currently I can't put smart and Sony together...really, I can't.

I agree they should put more focus on gaming but they're an electronics corporation first and foremost.

The "real" capital can lie in Blu-Ray if they win the format war. You don't understand the reprecussions. They would monopolize (which is bad...) an entire market. With increasing HD emphasis taking place around the world, they may gain the biggest capital in years.

Can you imagine a single corporation monopolize the rights to DVD?

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
I find that hard to believe. But is possible that Blu-ray players will sell more than PS3. Last I read Australia is among the biggest buyers of Xbox 360.

Currently Blu-Ray players only represent the 6% of the Blu-Ray market. PS3 makes up the 94%.

If Blu-Ray does gain dominance, the Blu-Ray players will quickly drop in price. So yes, they may eventually outsell the PS3. However if the Blu-Ray players drop in price, so would the PS3. Logically, most people (unless they want a high-end Blu-Ray player) will ultimately want a Blu-Ray Player that can also play games.

Australia doesn't have the PS3 yet. However the pre-orders of the PS3 are nearly 12 times that of the PS3. It's just an indicator of demand granted but since Sony actually has the supply to meet the demand this time...

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
Nothing it's been taking out of context. That is why if you click "quote" anyone can read what it says. I'm not looking for a fight...Draco. I asked a simple question.

Um. Yeah. You did. Don't lie. You clearly tried to imply that I was anti-Wii. You cut out the OTHER portion of my statement that indicated my reasoning. It was right up my other statement.

And I did answer the question.

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Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
How you keep backpedaling and changing your opion is also beyond me.

I haven't changed my opinion. You just can't grasp an opinion that's fair-handed to all sides of the arguement. You're clearly lack a sense of looking at all sides of an debate and you clearly putting yourself squarely in one camp and deriding the other camp with insults and senseless comments.

You're saying: Sony SUCKS!! ROWRXX.

I'm saying: Sony sucks in some ways as does Xbox and Wii.

I'm actually AGAINST Sony dominating the HD market. It's monopoly plain and simple.

Originally posted by Lana
I'm actually a bit confused as to why this is here, as the Blu-ray/HD-DVD war really isn't video game related.

And if this is simply going to be "which is better of the PS3 and 360" then it should go in the Next-Gen thread.

It's not related to Wii and barely related to Xbox, but it's certainly related to the PS3.

If anyone would stop and THINK for a moment. If Blu-Ray DOES gain dominance would happen to the PS3?

Economics tell us it would create a upsurge of demand and supply for the PS3 and it would lower it's price.

From an early perspective, it looks like the "Let's Copy PS2's success model" has worked.

And with the impending European/Australian launch in March as well as Europe and Australia's overwhelming support for Blu-Ray, Sony may very well monopolize the market and pull the proverbial rug out of their competitor's.

Originally posted by Lana
I'm actually a bit confused as to why this is here, as the Blu-ray/HD-DVD war really isn't video game related.

And if this is simply going to be "which is better of the PS3 and 360" then it should go in the Next-Gen thread.

Seems it's because the discussion is in direct relation to the video game industry and not the film or TV industry.

Originally posted by General Kaliero
Please keep on topic guys, before the thread degenerates into a flame war.

THAT'S what a moderator does. Not START one.

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Originally posted by General Kaliero
As to the subject... I have no doubt that normal DVDs are still selling far better than either HD-DVD or Blu-Ray. It's always been my opinion that both formats just aren't different enough from the current accepted format to really be worthwhile to the average consumer.

DVD's will obviously dominate the formats for quite some time. However with the increasing popularity of HDTVs as they become cheaper and more accessible to all households, the impending switch from analog TV as mandatory from the federal government to HD signals, and the possible dominance of Blu-Ray thus driving the prices down to DVD level (they're already decreasing in price rapidly), and the possible decrease in PS3 price due to Blu-Ray dominance, the Blu-Ray may well become a standard as DVD in the future.

However Apple could one up them all with digital HD movies.

Originally posted by General Kaliero
Microsoft's action in making HD-DVD an accessory to the 360 instead of a mandatory feature was, in my mind, smart. It's there for the tech-savvy (who are really the only ones that want the new formats and actually have the money to buy them), but the price for the console itself stays lower, so that people who just don't care don't have to pay extra for what they don't want.

It's smart from a consumer perspective. But it may prove their downfall.

If Blu-Ray gains dominance, the price of hardware decreases exponentially. The cost of making the hardward decreases exponentially. It's reasonable to assume that if the costs of hardware decreases, the PS3 price will decrease as well. Unless Sony keeps the price where it is and gains an enormous profit (much like Apple with their ridiculously overpriced Ipods...)

To me he is discussing the issue of DVD HD and Blu-ray as related to the Video Game industry. If that's the case than both fall flat as far as helping their respective consoles.

Now, if he is looking to discuss who will win the format.

Then Draco...go here:

>>>http://www.killermovies.com/forums/439274_1-hd-dvd-blu-ray-dual-format-players<<<

"Video Games...are my thang..."

As far as teh topic goes, it certainly would be interesting to see MS be forced to make a Blue-Ray attachment for their system, it would almost be admitting defeat, since from day one they've backed HD-DVD.

And if Blu-ray winning the war means the PS3's price will drop (which is rather reasonable) then I do hope they win, and soon, so I can get a PS3. It's getting to the point where I actually want one soon, there are actually some games coming out now that I'm rather interested in and would love to play.

Still, it's going to take more than the PS3 to win it for Bluray. I mean, about a year ago many people were thinking HD-DVD would win because of the horrible start Bluray got off to, with their poorly made players, inferior picture and doubled up price over HD-DVD, and now it's almost flipped flopped, too early now to see who is going to win. Sucks too, I wish the format war would end, it's ****ing stupid.

Currently Blu-Ray players only represent the 6% of the Blu-Ray market. PS3 makes up the 94%

Okay...so? Blu-ray is brand new tech that the average person probably has no clue what it is. And...how many PS3s are on the market anyway? Not many.

I see those numbers to mean that most people really don't care a terrible amount about blu-ray and only own a player because a PS3 is one by default.

Which is why this entire thing is very misleading. The number of blu-ray vs. HD-DVD movies is what should be looked at, at the very least in tandem with player sales.

I wouldnt call it a sucess, I would just say Blu-Ray is sucking less than HD-DVD. lol

I dont really care, im still buying the 360 add on the next couple weeks. Gonna watch Departed in HD. 😄

Originally posted by BackFire
As far as teh topic goes, it certainly would be interesting to see MS be forced to make a Blue-Ray attachment for their system, it would almost be admitting defeat, since from day one they've backed HD-DVD.

And if Blu-ray winning the war means the PS3's price will drop (which is rather reasonable) then I do hope they win, and soon, so I can get a PS3. It's getting to the point where I actually want one soon, there are actually some games coming out now that I'm rather interested in and would love to play.

Still, it's going to take more than the PS3 to win it for Bluray. I mean, about a year ago many people were thinking HD-DVD would win because of the horrible start Bluray got off to, with their poorly made players, inferior picture and doubled up price over HD-DVD, and now it's almost flipped flopped, too early now to see who is going to win. Sucks too, I wish the format war would end, it's ****ing stupid.

That's the thing. It's kinda BAD. It's monopoly. If Blu-Ray becomes the DVD II in the near future, Sony would possess an incredible hold of many markets.

Computers. Movies. Games. Music. Think of all things DVD is related to.

EVERYONE would be paying them money in one form or another.

It's the most crafty and devious business move in history in my opinion.

Originally posted by Lana
Okay...so? Blu-ray is brand new tech that the average person probably has no clue what it is. And...how many PS3s are on the market anyway? Not many.

For now. It's not yet released in Europe and Australia. If Blu-Ray dominating already in USA and Japan, can you imagine what would happen when it releases in Europe and the Aussie? Especially since Australia plans to go Blu-Ray exclusive?

Tobisha would have to pull of something VERY good.

Originally posted by Lana
I see those numbers to mean that most people really don't care a terrible amount about blu-ray and only own a player because a PS3 is one by default.

Actually no. If you look it up, Blu-Ray discs are outselling HD-DVD by a 3 to 1 margin both past and present. Apparently those who DO care about Blu-Ray are buying them.

Also it's quite remarkable despite being the most expensive console and Xbox 360 being less expensive and more user-friendly and with a year head start that PS3 alone gained the dominance.

If Xbox 360 had released the accessory earlier, HD-DVD could have very well won the war early.

Originally posted by AstroFan
I wouldnt call it a sucess, I would just say Blu-Ray is sucking less than HD-DVD. lol

I dont really care, im still buying the 360 add on the next couple weeks. Gonna watch Departed in HD. 😄

I wouldn't advise it. HD-DVD is losing currently. And it may win. Or it may lose. And round it goes.

I wouldn't buy a format if it could possibly exit the market in a few months.

I would wait until the dust settles.

Neither format is going to exit the market for at least a few years, sadly. A few months, absolutely not.