Blu-Ray Surpasses HD-DVD By 3 to 1 Margin

I'll acknowledge that.

But really it you take a big, grand look: Sony's sheer stupidity in the past few months may well be a cover for Machiavellian genius. Their plan is all coming together.

And WrathfulDwarf is right to some extent, they ultimately don't care about the games. It's just a part of their tendrils in the global market They REALLY care about market dominance in electronics. Which is what they've been trying to do for years and they may very well succeed this time around.

And I don't like it. As an economist, I despise any and all forms of monopoly.

Originally posted by Draco69
I wouldn't advise it. HD-DVD is losing currently. And it may win. Or it may lose. And round it goes.

I wouldn't buy a format if it could possibly exit the market in a few months.

I would wait until the dust settles.

Thanks for the advice, but im still getting one. I doubt any format will when in the next few years if ever, i know people who still watch their VHSs on their 20 inch tvs.

This isnt like when DVD came out and could work with most tvs, these new usually $1000 players require usually $1000 plus tvs.

Originally posted by AstroFan
Thanks for the advice, but im still getting one. I doubt any format will when in the next few years if ever, i know people who still watch their VHSs on their 20 inch tvs.

This isnt like when DVD came out and could work with most tvs, these new usually $1000 players require usually $1000 plus tvs.

I would normally agree except for one large factor. In 2009, ALL analog programming will be disabled. And from then on it will only be HD signals.

Using logic, the ban on analog and mandatory enforcement of HD signals will force many consumers to consider HDTVs.

The government has also stated that they will be putting a price ceiling on TVs if necessary.

That means HDTVs price will come down tremendously.

And many people out of either necessity or demand for one will get one.

And if Blu-Ray gains dominance beforehand, most people will see Blu-Ray in conjunction with their HDTVs as "DVD II".

Nearly the same thing happened with the translation from black and white television to exclusive color television. Color television back then was considered a luxury item much like HDTVs. Until the government made it mandatory for all signals to be in color. And the price of color televisions dropped tremendously as it was accessible to nearly any customer.

Which I think is pretty crappy for the government to do but...

All analog programming will be disabled and will be turned to digital, that doesn't mean it will only be available in HD, no. Regular TV's are capable of accepting digital signals.

DVD itself is a digital signal, yet my 8-9-year-old RCA TV can still display DVDs.

Digital =/= High Definition.

I'm not saying that HDTVs will be mandatory. I'm saying with decreasing prices of HDTVs (and a tremendous price drop) and readily available HD signals in the future, many consumers may want to take the next step with High Definition discs.

However it stands to reason that DVDs may be even cheaper if TVs will regularly be displaying DVD-like appearances.

But you just missed the point, Draco. Mandatory digital signals do not automatically mean everything will be broadcast in HD. Heck, that doesn't even mean that more companies will look into HD. My family has HD-enabled satellite TV, but the only HD channels we have are a few locals and a couple history/science-related channels.

I'm willing to bet that everything stays status quo for the most part.

Originally posted by Draco69
I'm not saying that HDTVs will be mandatory. I'm saying with decreasing prices of HDTVs (and a tremendous price drop) and readily available HD signals in the future, many consumers may want to take the next step with High Definition discs.

However it stands to reason that DVDs may be even cheaper if TVs will regularly be displaying DVD-like appearances.

Actually, you kind of did. You made an entire post about how analog TV signals will be shutting off in a couple years and that all will be available is HD.

Which isn't true. What will be available is digital. HD is digital, but digital certainly isn't necessarily HD. My family has had digital TV for going on 5 years but certainly do not own an HDTV nor really intend to buy one anytime in the near future.

And are there actually any sales numbers for blu-ray movies and HD-DVD movies? Because, really, even if blu-ray's doing better, I doubt it's really selling a lot. I know at my store we actually sent back all of our blu-ray movies because we hadn't sold a single one in 2 months, and they were just taking up space and collecting dust...

Oh it won't sell (greatly that is) for a while. You're misunderstanding me. What you need to grasp is the capital benefit of Blu-Ray to Sony. None of this will happen for about two or three years.

Sony's monopoly strategy is long-term. Not short-term. We won't see real results for awhile.

The entire purpose of this thread is to show the long-term monopolistic strategy of the Blu-Ray format.

The economic model I showed hasn't even happened yet.

So yeah, what you seeing is the short term. Not the long-term. These things don't happen instantly. Technology NEVER happens instantly.

I never look into predictions.

Remember 2-3 years ago people predicted Sony will win the handheld war with its multitalented and expansive PSP.

As for the PS3, its doing well but its not doing extremely well, as much as you say that Sony doesnt care about the gaming aspect but I think it's stupid to think that. The PS3 will only sell well if gamers want to buy it. As of right now, gamers (not talking about hardcore gamers) are buying the Wii.

I just dont think casual consumers will care that much about HD movies.

If Sony's strategy rests solely on the PS3 to win the format wars that would mean that the PS3 has to sell extremely well. And it has to be because of the games, not Blu Ray. But will casual gamers want to be the most expansive machine out there?

I wonder if the PS3 having built in Blu Ray player has anything to do with the thread topic 😬

Originally posted by LinixCobra
I wonder if the PS3 having built in Blu Ray player has anything to do with the thread topic 😬

I'm willing to bet it's everything to do with it, since one of Draco's posts stated that 94% of blu-ray players are PS3s.

And Draco, long-term strategies mean nothing if it doesn't catch on fairly early. Remember laser discs, mini-discs, and now UMDs? Everyone thought they'd be huge. They all flopped.

Originally posted by Lana
I'm willing to bet it's everything to do with it, since one of Draco's posts stated that 94% of blu-ray players are PS3s.

Then whats the point of this thread???

Another 'Duh' moment I guess.

also, whats this about australia being blue ray1 excelusive???
this is the first ive heard about it, and i highly f*king doubt that it's true, since the 360 sold 100 000 in one month, and the wii sold nearly 90 000 in a week here..

HD-DVD is retarded..... so its obvious blu-ray would sell out against something thats worse than itself

For someone who does not like being quoted out of context, you sure as hell are hazy with your thread title, Draco. It's an outright lie. I guess you lied, however, because the title

"Blue-Ray outsells HD-DVD by more like two and a half times in one week in January but overall HD-DVD has still sold more"

Would have been a bit crap. But then so is your reasoning in not mentioning that. Likewise your reasoning in saying Australia has 'banned' HD-DVDs.

Anyway, the monopoly fears will most likely simply collapse once dual-format players come to the fore.

Originally posted by MadMel
also, whats this about australia being blue ray1 excelusive???
this is the first ive heard about it, and i highly f*king doubt that it's true, since the 360 sold 100 000 in one month, and the wii sold nearly 90 000 in a week here..

I think it was you or maybe Mist who said that the PS3 was going to be somewhere around $900.00 USD in Australia.

I'm thinking if a PS3 is gonna worth that much and Blu ray players will be sold for less...that really wouldn't benefit sony.

Meh.

I'm all for the PS3 ...BUT Blue-ray is a waste of time/money in my opinion. HD while being touted as 'the necessary thing for tv' is complete bullshit unless you own a plasma. Yes i so OBVIOUSLY want to spend £500 + on a TV just so I can watch a show in a format designed to make it watchable on said TV.

I see draco's point and have said the same thing a while back(with less long winded post).

I have an HD tv and if I use it to pick up the air waves I get 2 channels of NBC one regular and one in HD, the HD looks very nice. I don't know if regular airwaves will be gone but I know that HD airwaves are here and they look very nice no static like regular airwaves so HD is better it will eventually drown out regular airwaves.

Also eventually everyone will have an HD tv and some type of HD movie playing device dvd won't last forever just like VHS didn't last forever.

I'm am routing for blu-ray because I am going to buy a ps3 someday and watching a Blu-ray movie on an HD tv will show the obvious difference between blu-ray and dvd. Yes sony will have yet another monopolies but I have enjoyed there other two monopolies so I’m waiting for the third.

Originally posted by dirkdirden
I see draco's point and have said the same thing a while back(with less long winded post).

I have an HD tv and if I use it to pick up the air waves I get 2 channels of NBC one regular and one in HD, the HD looks very nice. I don't know if regular airwaves will be gone but I know that HD airwaves are here and they look very nice no static like regular airwaves so HD is better it will eventually drown out regular airwaves.

Also eventually everyone will have an HD tv and some type of HD movie playing device dvd won't last forever just like VHS didn't last forever.

I'm am routing for blu-ray because I am going to buy a ps3 someday and watching a Blu-ray movie on an HD tv will show the obvious difference between blu-ray and dvd. Yes sony will have yet another monopolies but I have enjoyed there other two monopolies so I’m waiting for the third.

Did your normal (Non plasma) Tv pick up static with regular NBC ?