ESB is THE best SW Movie, period.

It's beyond my own comprehension of how to look at a movie and not see the acting, script, etc. AOTC is certainly the most stunning in artistry, and its CGI use is rather well done, (though I do admit, the Arena Sequence does seem to overdo it).

But most people would agree that SW has always been about more than graphics and special effects, there are stories to tell and characters to tell them. If movies, or even just Sci-Fi relied on nothing but scenery to sell tickets and win over crowds, then Alien, Star Trek, Star Wars, a numerous other films and shows, would have failed miserably at their beginning.

And to be fair, the OT was visually impressive when it was released. Give it 20 years and people will be criticizing AOTC for its use of archaic computer images and graphics.

for all ILMs post 83 SW efforts the rubbery Rancor and Greedo piss all over virtual Jar Jar and the Ronto

Originally posted by vintageSW77

there ARE a few good things in AOTC
this being one of the few

WOW.

Usually Natalie's arse looks a little more flat.

Can you post the original pic?

Yes!!

AOTC also had some of the worst CGI scenes: OB1 slinging from a rope, the Shaaks....

Originally posted by Tangible God
And to be fair, the OT was visually impressive when it was released. Give it 20 years and people will be criticizing AOTC for its use of archaic computer images and graphics.

No. CGI is not that much of a factor in the imagery.

VISUAL talent is not defined by CGI. Its defined cinematographically and artistically.

Please don't take a valid opinon for being all google-eyed over special effects. If I chose a SW movie base on CGI impact, I would have to choose Star Wars as it meant 1000% more to film than any of the other movies.

Originally posted by Alliance
No. CGI is not that much of a factor in the imagery.

VISUAL talent is not defined by CGI. Its defined cinematographically and artistically.

Please don't take a valid opinon for being all google-eyed over special effects. If I chose a SW movie base on CGI impact, I would have to choose Star Wars as it meant 1000% more to film than any of the other movies.

Originally posted by Tangible God
It might be the apple pie from McDonald's

It is not, nor is it the Cherry, Pineapple, or Cream Cheese pie, the latter two of which are apparently, at least to my limited knowledge, only sold in México.

Originally posted by Alliance
No. CGI is not that much of a factor in the imagery.

VISUAL talent is not defined by CGI. Its defined cinematographically and artistically.

If it was down to the best CGI, I'd pick ROTS easily. But as far as the actual "artistry" goes, AOTC is pretty much a masterpiece...I'd put it up there with The 5th Element for that kinda stuff...

...And still, as far as singling out things like Ben swinging off the wire or the Shaaks...you gotta think that there's proably 50 incredible effects to each one bad effect in that movie.

I mean they built a freakin' virtual outer space city...different districts and all! That's ginormous!!!

Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
Exactly.

If it was down to the best CGI, I'd pick ROTS easily. But as far as the actual "artistry" goes, AOTC is pretty much a masterpiece...I'd put it up there with The 5th Element for that kinda stuff...

...And still, as far as singling out things like Ben swinging off the wire or the Shaaks...you gotta think that there's proably 50 incredible effects to each one bad effect in that movie.

I mean they built a freakin' virtual outer space city...different districts and all! That's ginormous!!!

Yes. I know that. yes.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
WOW.

Usually Natalie's arse looks a little more flat.

Can you post the original pic?

sure
prob one of my fave SW pics ever

i got to agree with EPIII the Coruscant sequences in the Prequels are great ......definite highlights of the PT

another of that suit

Originally posted by vintageSW77
another of that suit

Naughty.

after posting pics and getting the SW buzz again i watched about 25 mins of Empire last night and it has its faults
not one member of the rebellion on Hoth apart from General Waldorf Salad can say their lines as if they werent reading them from a far off autocue
and the inserted Wampa stuff from the S.E doesnt run as smooth as i thought

its still better than the PT but there is bad stuff in there

There's bad stuff in LOTR too, but I'm not gonna let that be the reason for saying the movie sucks. Which it doesn't.

Its a trap, LOL.

It's not flawless.... but then, what masterpiece is.

ESB and ANH keeps changing ranks from time to time in my list. 1 and 2 and vise versa.. srug

i think Empire benefits from having less non human characters
and while i love most of the OT aliens from ANH and ROTJ thats the prequels biggest mistake...its chocka with them