Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Very close. Supes has a major speed advantage over Thor and strength. It depends on how smart Thor is and if he has the 60 second weakness. If that's on, he's ****ed. Supes is the kind of guy, who actually can wield Mjolnir. Meaning, if he grab it, he can start bashing Thor with his own hammer. Thor has the advantage in that his hammer will probably hurt Supes alot more than most of Supes can use. The question is, can he BFR Supes with his lesser speed, or pull out a god blast and connect? Either of those is a sure win. Of course, it's possible the magic hammer will KO Supes with a direct hit. But under KMC rules, Supes can probably dodge the initial throw and speedblitz Thor.Like I said, Thor can win this if he's smart and doesn't try to brawl with Supes. The speed is his biggest problem. For supes, it's the damn hammer. How good is Thor against speedblitz? And how fast is the hammer thrown at full strength?
Superman doesn't have a major strength advantage if at all.
The 60 second enchantment was removed long ago.
Thor can still will his hammer back. He is it's master, he commands it, what he wishes it to do it does.
In a a strait brawl thor has the advantage, he may not be as fast however he is much more skilled and experienced.
Mjolnir moves at multiples of speed of light.
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Speed. And Thor doesn't have a bio field around his body. Apocalypse has also shown he can counter asgardian magic when he drained Loki's power. Supes takes 8/10 via speedblitz in a straight fight. With prep, Supes cannot win. Apocalypse will find his weaknesses and be ready for a blitz with prep.
Speed? Apoc isn't near as fast as Thor.
He doesn't need one. Thor is still one of the most durable characters in comics.
Loki and Thor are two separate beings with two separate power sets.
Also, do you have scans of this battle?
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Apoc vs. Loki
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Originally posted by Soujaboy
Speed? Apoc isn't near as fast as Thor.
No, but he IS more agile.
Originally posted by Soujaboy
I want proof of your statement, because I don't believe it to be so..
How is someone going to manipulate the molecules of another being's body, when that person already can manipulate the molecules of himself? Apocalypse can simply resist matter manipulation.
Originally posted by Donkey Punch
I'm pretty sure he suggesting that he is not as powerful as the Gods yet any way. Which IMO puts the final nail in the coffin. 🙂
Where does he suggest that?
Originally posted by Donkey Punch
The word Stalemated comes to mind rather than owning.
Loki ran away from Apoc. 😐
Apoc: "So running scared?"
Loki: "No! this just pointless! Bye!"
Loki sounds like one of those teenage bullies from movies, who just got ass his kicked by one of his victims.
Originally posted by Evil_Ash
Where does he suggest that?
When he hierarchy's the Gods beyond humanity on several occasions, and when he drains the energies in an attempt to attain the God level.
Originally posted by Evil_Ash
Loki ran away from Apoc. 😐Apoc: "So running scared?"
Loki: "No! this just pointless! Bye!"
Loki sounds like one of those teenage bullies from movies, who just got ass his kicked by one of his victims.
No you're a biased in the matter, and that is you're subjective interpretation, plus he easily got out of his machine.
Originally posted by Donkey Punch
No you're a biased in the matter
No, I'm just simplifying the dialogue and the play out...
Much like what anyone els would have done if it was Apoc who ran away from Loki after he freed himself from his machines...
Originally posted by Donkey Punch
plus he easily got out of his machine.
Easily? He seem to be struggling through the two scans as Apoc was talking...
Um, Evil Ask and Trickster just ruined their own argument. Not only did Apoc have to resort to tech in an attempt to defeat Loki(which Loki easily broke free of), but he also suggested that Loki power is superior to his own. Which only mean that if he can't defeat Loki, then he sure as hell can't defeat Thor.
Originally posted by Soujaboy
Not only did Apoc have to resort to tech in an attempt to defeat Loki.
He never claimed anywhere in the scans that he had to.
Originally posted by Soujaboy
he also suggested that Loki power is superior to his own.
Where is this said? Apoc doesn't suggest anywhere in the scans that Loki's power is superior to his own. He says that mankind needs to grow strong enough to challenge the gods.
Apoc also says that he will oppose Loki whenever he can, and is clearly not afraid of him. Heck, he even compares himself to Loki...
Originally posted by Evil_Ash
He never claimed anywhere in the scans that he had to.Where is this said? Apoc doesn't suggest anywhere in the scans that Loki's power is superior to his own. He says that mankind needs to grow strong enough to challenge the gods.
Apoc also says that he will oppose Loki whenever he can, and is clearly not afraid of him. Heck, he even compares himself to Loki...
He doesn't have to say it, it was made clear when he resorted to it. If he fealt that under his own power he could defeat Loki, then he would have never resorted to the tech in the first place.
Man = Apoc
god = Loki
When he says "mankind needs to become powerful enough to challenge the gods" he's included in that mankind part.
Also wjen Caliban says "master he is powerful, ad he is a god. if he chooses to destroy us how can humanity stand against him." Apoc did not oppose this statement, in fact he agreed with him. This alone makes it clear that Apoc is inferior to Loki.
When did opposing, and not being afraid of someone become an indicator of superior power?
Originally posted by Soujaboy
He doesn't have to say it, it was made clear when he resorted to it. If he fealt that under his own power he could defeat Loki, then he would have never resorted to the tech in the first place.
Apocalypse has always preferred using the Celestial tech in his ship, to, for example, in one way or another, end, or even (as odd as it sounds) start a battle.
Originally posted by Soujaboy
When he says "mankind needs to become powerful enough to challenge the gods" he's included in that mankind part.
That's pretty far fetched to go by.
And Apocalypse's goal isn't to make himself any more stronger, it's to make mankind it self stronger. He himself is not included in this part. He has never stated so.
Originally posted by Soujaboy
Also when Caliban says "master he is powerful, and he is a god. if he chooses to destroy us how can humanity stand against him." Apoc did not oppose this statement, in fact he agreed with him.
"Fact"? Did Apocalypse say he agreed with him?
And Apocalypse has held his own against the High Evolutionary, and withstood a scream from Black Bolt. Apocalypse has also been battling Prime Eternal Ikaris and the Eternals over the centuries.
I don't see how Loki can be that much of a trouble for Apocalypse.
