Originally posted by Juntai
Spectre wasn't comotose from Anti Monitor though.
You'll see when Phantom Stranger and the other mystics try to revive him.
"He resists us! His power is too great for us!"
ANd.
"It seems that our greatest chance for survival will be denied us this day."
Spectre was down for other reasons.
Originally posted by Galan007
But did Unicron actually destroy more then just his creation, (which is sounding more and more like 1 Universe)?Because if that's all he actually did, then I don't think they can even be compared.
When AM destroyed each Universe, he not only destroyed it's present reality....... He destroyed it's past realitiy, and destroyed it's future reality as well.
The thousands of Universes he destroyed were completely wiped from the time/space continuum.
This Primus sounds on par with Spectre IMO.
Unicron basically destroyed the multiverse. With nothing to do, he rested and fell asleep, during that time, there were a few tiny motes left which recombined to re-form into a now expanding multiverse. Primus was the consciousness of that multiverse, the equivilant of multi-eternity. Primus was going about creating universes that Unicron would go and destroy.
Pretty much Unicron was the equivilant of what would happen if Anti-monitor won and wiped out the DC multiverse, and just a few tiny particles remained which reformed into a new multiverse.
Originally posted by JuntaiDr. Mist says: "But he resists us! His power is greater then ours!"
Spectre wasn't comotose from Anti Monitor though.
You'll see when Phantom Stranger and the other mystics try to revive him.
"He resists us! He's too powerful for us!"
ANd.
"It seems that our greatest chance for survival will be denied us this day."
Spectre was down for other reasons.
Phantom Stranger says: "We have no choice, we must succeed."
Just before this PS remarks on Spectres still comatose state, which he was in after he battled AM.
Originally posted by KutuluPretty much
Unicron basically destroyed the multiverse. With nothing to do, he rested and fell asleep, during that time, there were a few tiny motes left which recombined to re-form into a now expanding multiverse. Primus was the consciousness of that multiverse, the equivilant of multi-eternity. Primus was going about creating universes that Unicron would go and destroy.Pretty much Unicron was the equivilant of what would happen if Anti-monitor won and wiped out the DC multiverse, and just a few tiny particles remained which reformed into a new multiverse.
Originally posted by SkeetsYep, Anti-Monitor's lifeforce was connected to all the heros and villains of the various timelines and universes that remained who were there to fight him originally. Making it a very tricky situation. The mystics had told Spectre if he destroyed him outright [and none seemed to think him incapable], he would kill all of those involved as well.
You're so smart...13
And wasn't Spectre held back because Anti-moniter's life force as connected to everything?I can't recall the whole ordeal that well..
Originally posted by NewjakHmmm, I'd have to see proof that Unicron destroyed more then just 1 Universe.
I'm assuming so.The way the story goes is Unicron destroyed everything there the previous creation by abosrbing everything. Then after he slumbers in the void he has created. Basically something is left of the pervious creation ecists and makes a new one from itself.
Unicron awakes to see a new and begins to destroy everything again but Primus comes forth made from Creation to defend itself.
Plus Time was obviouslt something Unicron controled as he was able to pick a Galvitron from a different timeline so if he destroyed everything that would include these Alternate timelines as he could control people even across time.
Thats still all it sounds like to me, and if that's the case then these two really shouldn't be compared.
Originally posted by Galan007You know the funny thing is if you knew the origin you would crap yourself 馃槚hifty:
Hmmm, I'd have to see proof that Unicron destroyed more then just 1 Universe.Thats still all it sounds like to me, and if that's the case then these 2 really shouldn't be compared.
Even still you want to go by Marvel standards Alternate timelines do equal alternate Universes which is evidence right there.
Originally posted by Galan007If Spectre wasn't down via his own volition,or reasons other than the Anti-Monitor why would he be ACTIVELY fighting resuscitation?
Dr. Mist says: "But he resisst us! His power is greater then ours!"Phantom Stranger says: "We have no choice, we must succeed."
Just before this PS remarks on Spectres still comatose state, which he was in after he battled AM.
Originally posted by NewjakThe thing is, I don't follow transformers, so I don't know the origins.
You know the funny thing is if you knew the origin you would crap yourself 馃槚hifty:Even still you want to go by Marvel standards Alternate timelines do equal alternate Universes which is evidence right there.
I'm simply going by how you described his creation, and it doesn't sound like more then 1 Universe. This is why I'd like to see proof that Unicron in fact destroyed more then a Universe.
Originally posted by JuntaiI'm just going by what PS said about that situation, which leads me to believe that Spectre became comatose in lieu of his battle with AM.
If Spectre wasn't down via his own volition,or reasons other than the Anti-Monitor why would he be ACTIVELY fighting resuscitation?
The scene clearly depicts him not wanting to get back up.
He played his part.
Originally posted by Galan007I don't think it was neccisarily the Anti-monitor, but when Spectre shattered the multiverse. Judging by the narration, it was a lot for Corrigan for take in.
I'm just going by what PS said about that situation, which leads me to believe that Spectre became comatose in lieu of his battle with AM.
Originally posted by Galan007OK here is out it goes.
The thing is, I don't follow transformers, so I don't know the origins.I'm simply going by how you described his creation, and it doesn't sound like more then 1 Universe. This is why I'd like to see proof that Unicron in fact destroyed more then a Universe.
You see the original Transformers Comic books were published by get this Marvel.
Now follow with me a little bit here. Unicron destroyed all of his Creation which means he therotically destroyed everything that came before Marvel. Unicron and since Unicron destroyed all the previous beings from the old creation that also means he defeated all the beind like eternity and Galactus. You see in this peroid Unicron actually existed beyonnd a purely physical form liek the planet from the movies.
Now before yo claim this just proves that Unicron destroyed a seperate Universe from the Marvel cannon. Marvel actually wrote Spiderman geting thrown around by Megatron in Transformers number 2. So yes this was Cannon and apparantly part of the mainstay Marvel.
Now after this the company that owned the rights to tranformers told Marvel no more they don't want the transformer interfering with Marvel characters.
So Pre-retcon Spiderman-Megatron Unicron did destroy Marvel and his therotical Big Burp is what actually mad ethe current Marvel.
Hence my comment that Marvel considers different timelines different Universes as relevant. 馃槢
Originally posted by JuntaiEverything I've seen in COIE, leads me to believe that Spectre became comatose from his fight with AM, there were no other variables mentioned.
I don't think it was neccisarily the Anti-monitor, but when Spectre shattered the multiverse. Judging by the narration, it was a lot for Corrigan for take in.
But as shown, Spectre is purposely resisting getting back up. There's nothing to show that he couldn't get back up, just that he apperently didn't want to. Or God didn't want him to. As his power was actively resisting even the most powerful mystics trying to re-energize him.
Now what was keeping him from awakening is really unknown.
Was he resisting? Was God resisting for him?
Who knows? srug