Originally posted by JuntaiI know of course then you get the fact that Marvel lost the rights to make the tranformers then you get into the multiple comics featuring various Unicrons and the like although I still say his original comic version is by far his strongest.
Sounds kinda convoluted Newjak.
lol.
Crazy.
Originally posted by NewjakI see now what your saying a bit more clearly.
OK here is out it goes.You see the original Transformers Comic books were published by get this Marvel.
Now follow with me a little bit here. Unicron destroyed all of his Creation which means he therotically destroyed everything that came before Marvel. Unicron and since Unicron destroyed all the previous beings from the old creation that also means he defeated all the beind like eternity and Galactus. You see in this peroid Unicron actually existed beyonnd a purely physical form liek the planet from the movies.
Now before yo claim this just proves that Unicron destroyed a seperate Universe from the Marvel cannon. Marvel actually wrote Spiderman geting thrown around by Megatron in Transformers number 2. So yes this was Cannon and apparantly part of the mainstay Marvel.
Now after this the company that owned the rights to tranformers told Marvel no more they don't want the transformer interfering with Marvel characters.
So Pre-retcon Spiderman-Megatron Unicron did destroy Marvel and his therotical Big Burp is what actually mad ethe current Marvel.
Hence my comment that Marvel considers different timelines different Universes as relevant. 馃槢
But what you just described still dosen't equate to a feat as great as AM destroying thousands of Universes.
It sounds like Unicron may have destroyed a few Universes at the most.
I'm not saying that's all Unicron did destroy, but that's what it sounds like to me.
Originally posted by Galan007Well if you follow Marvel he would have destroyed the entire 616 Marvel mainstay at least by the fat that Megatron met 616 Spiderman as most of Marvel 616 is very connected.
I see now what your saying a bit more clearly.But what you just described still dosen't equate to a feat as great as AM destroying thousands of Universes.
It sounds like Unicron may have destroyed a few Universes at the most.
At his best he literally is the reason all of current Marvel exists.
Also take into account that still the only thing that could hurt him was the all the power of Creation found in the Matrix
Originally posted by NewjakThe 616 reality is simply 1 Universe in Marvel.
Well if you follow Marvel he would have destroyed the entire 616 Marvel mainstay at least by the fat that Megatron met 616 Spiderman as most of Marvel 616 is very connected.At his best he literally is the reason all of current Marvel exists.
Also take into account that still the only thing that could hurt him was the all the power of Creation found in the Matrix
So if he destroyed the 616 Universe, as well as his Universe....... Well that only equates to two Universes that were destroyed by his hand.
Again, that's not all I'm saying Unicron did destroy........ But do you see where I'm coming from as well?
Originally posted by Galan007I understand but think about that he literally destroyed Eternity and every being like that.
The 616 reality is simply 1 Universe in Marvel.So if he destroyed the 616 Universe, as well as his Universe....... Well that only equates to two Universes that were destroyed by his hand.
Again, that's not all I'm saying Unicron did destroy........ But do you see where I'm coming from as well?
Also another point that needs to be addressed is that he only stopped because he ahd destroyed everything in Creation that was why he slumbered in the first place existing in the void where nothing was.
Yes I know this still may only be one Universe but still the fact that he could see into different timelines and effect which basically in Marvel means different Universes and all these timelines came from the Creation Unicron basically burped up.
I think this supports more the idea that he did destroy everything but as you say nothing concrete.
Originally posted by Galan007The only thing in the narration that was harming Spectre, was how much power Spectre was being given from the mystics and beyond.
Everything I've seen in COIE, leads me to believe that Spectre became comatose from his fight with AM, there were no other variables mentioned.Now what was keeping him from awakening is really unknown.
Was he resisting? Was God resisting for him?
Who knows? srug
Enough to destroy all that ever was before it in one one blazing glory.
Something Anti-Monitor had not the power to do through the entire course of the story.
And indeed, while Spectre was throwing around the power, Anti-Monitor was the one who looked helpless. Seeming to beg for Krona to open to the gateway to peer to the dawn of time before Spectre stopped him.
The energy explodes inide him! It rips through his being.... into his mind, through each and every atom...
The Spectre screams in pain... He is a funnel, a conduit... More energy pours into him... More power funnels through him!
He sees worlds that have never existed and never will! He sees shapes and colors and patterns and concepts undreamt of even by his master!
And the universe explodes around him...
And from the dawn of creation comes death...
It is the end of all that was....
I suppose the instance you're speaking of with Phantom Stranger is when he says.
"He fought the battle, and he suffered".
However that still doesn't say anything about Anti-Monitor putting him into a comatose state, as he surely suffered as the multiverse exploded at the end of his hand.
And indeed, confirmed later, he is actively resisting getting up, leading me to believe he is there on his own will, or the will of his master.
Originally posted by NewjakI agree.
I understand but think about that he literally destroyed Eternity and every being like that.Also another point that needs to be addressed is that he only stopped because he ahd destroyed everything in Creation that was why he slumbered in the first place existing in the void where nothing was.
Yes I know this still may only be one Universe but still the fact that he could see into different timelines and effect which basically in Marvel means different Universes and all these timelines came from the Creation Unicron basically burped up.
I think this supports more the idea that he did destroy everything but as you say nothing concrete.
From what you have said, Unicron may have been able to destroy more then he did, but until I see definitive proof that Unicron in fact destroyed more then just a few Universes..... Then IMO AM should still take this.
AM actually did destroy thousands of Universes on panel, after all was said and done, DC was reduced from a Multiverse, down to a Universe.
We can't downplay what AM has actually done, by saying that Unicron might be able to do the same thing.
Originally posted by Galan007Well theoritcally Unicron did more then AM. Seeing as if he is the reason all of Current Marvel is in exitence then that would mean that thre reason beings like the Lving tribunal is in exitence. Heck theoritcally Primus could equal Lving tribunal or TOAA possibly since he was the personification of Creation.
I agree.From what you have said, Unicron may have been able to destroy more then he did, but until I see definitive proof that Unicron in fact destroyed more then just a few Universes..... Then IMO AM should still take this.
AM actually did destroy thousands of Universes on panel, after all was said and done, DC was reduced from a Multiverse, down to a Universe.
We can't downplay what AM has actually done, by saying that Unicron might be able to do the same thing.
But your right there is no on panel evidence showing it.
All that is is said is that Uncron destroyed eveything that came before know and slep in the void while the new Creation came forth creating itself.
Originally posted by JuntaiIt could have been the Multiverse exploding, or it could have been the direct battle with AM.
I suppose the instance you're speaking of with Phantom Stranger is when he says.
"He fought the battle, and he suffered".
However that still doesn't say anything about Anti-Monitor putting him into a comatose state, as he surely suffered as the multiverse exploded at the end of his hand.
And indeed, confirmed later, he is actively resisting getting up, leading me to believe he is there on his own will, or the will of his master.
Either way AM was responsible for Spectre's comatose state simply because Spectre wouldn't be comatose if he wouldn't have powered up to fight AM. 馃槢
The part where Spectre resists is interesting to me.
Why would PS say that Spectre was comatose, and then go on to say (on the same page), he was resisting?
It leads me to believe that Spectre's Master was responsible for the power resistance...... But that's just my opinion.
Originally posted by NewjakHmmm, that's a pretty bold statement...
Well theoritcally Unicron did more then AM. Seeing as if he is the reason all of Current Marvel is in exitence then that would mean that thre reason beings like the Lving tribunal is in exitence. Heck theoritcally Primus could equal Lving tribunal or TOAA possibly since he was the personification of Creation.
Originally posted by NewjakOk.
But your right there is no on panel evidence showing it.All that is is said is that Uncron destroyed eveything that came before know and slep in the void while the new Creation came forth creating itself.
Fair enough. 馃檪
Originally posted by Galan007To me that part makes it obvious that Anti-Monitor wasn't the reason he was down, as it makes it clear that Spectre is down and purposely means to be down, and has played his part in the story.
It could have been the Multiverse exploding, or it could have been the direct battle with AM.Either way AM was responsible for Spectre's comatose state simply because Spectre wouldn't be comatose if he wouldn't have powered up to fight AM. 馃槢
The part where Spectre resists is interesting to me.
Why would PS say that Spectre was comatose, and then go on to say (on the same page), he was resisting?
It leads me to believe that Spectre's Master was responsible for the power resistance...... But that's just my opinion.
Originally posted by Galan007You now the sayin fro mthe Doritos commerical be Bold Be daring 馃槢
Hmmm, that's a pretty bold statement...Ok.
Fair enough. 馃檪
And yeah it mayb e bold but if he did destroy everything the exact samething before Marvel and his Big Bang burp did cause the new one then it could be true.
Originally posted by NewjakIt's like the saying from Anchor Man:
You now the sayin fro mthe Doritos commerical be Bold Be daring 馃槢
"When in Rome" 馃槢
Originally posted by NewjakI see what your saying.
And yeah it mayb e bold but if he did destroy everything the exact samething before Marvel and his Big Bang burp did cause the new one then it could be true.
It could be true, but until there is proof which solidifies that statement, it's just an opinion.
Originally posted by Galan007I know but there is evidence to support it somewhat as Unicron spanned timelines.
It's like the saying from Anchor Man:"When in Rome" 馃槢
I see what your saying.
It could be true, but until there is proof which solidifies that statement, it's just an opinion.
Oh well at the very least Unicron>Eternity