level 9 telepathic blocker created by shield vs

Originally posted by capt it up
Yes I read it and again he only got it in civil war. He stated it in civil war and acted as if it was a new thing he had recieved. astonishing x-men is not running on the same time frame there actaully behind in the time line.

ultimate x-men is not 616 so that does not matter.

it just odd that all of a sudden logan a guy known to being TP resistant gets mind raped easily when a new author who stated he has no idea how to write him takes over. It just seems odd maybe I am beeing silly here, but it just does not sit right.

Nope...Xavier was powerless during Civil War, he's always had Level 9 Psi-Shields...courtesy of Charles Xavier.

See for yourself.
http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/8040/wolverine46017tg1.jpg

Actually AXM is set some time in the future Post-Civil War and Post-Phoenix Warsong. I believe the new issue of New X-Men have just caught up to the AXM timeline.(Remember Scott has no visor)

UXM = Uncanny X-Men

Joss IMO wrote an exceptional Wolverine in the latest issue of AXM.

Emma has bested Wolvey every single time she's used her powers against him.(See scans from X's post)

As for TP-Blockers...here's Emma bypassing O.N.E's telepathic blockers

http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/2623/emma35qj.jpg

AXM Occurences:

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http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/5060/untitledscanned06fn1.jpg
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How would a telepath breach a tp shield? Just by overpowering it? If that's the case, I think Magneto would be able to do it. He may be a terrible telepath but surely he could just crank it up until his crappy telepathy at 11.

Originally posted by capt it up
astonishing x-men is not running on the same time frame there actaully behind in the time line.

where do you base this?

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Nope...Xavier was powerless during Civil War, he's always had Level 9 Psi-Shields...courtesy of Charles Xavier.

See for yourself.
http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/8040/wolverine46017tg1.jpg

Actually AXM is set some time in the future Post-Civil War and Post-Phoenix Warsong. I believe the new issue of New X-Men have just caught up to the AXM timeline.(Remember Scott has no visor)

UXM = Uncanny X-Men

Joss IMO wrote an exceptional Wolverine in the latest issue of AXM.

Emma has bested Wolvey every single time she's used her powers against him.(See scans from X's post)

As for TP-Blockers...here's Emma bypassing O.N.E's telepathic blockers

http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/2623/emma35qj.jpg

AXM Occurences:

http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/8329/max0052kc9.jpg
http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/5060/untitledscanned06fn1.jpg
http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/7130/untitledscanned11ig0.jpg

If he always had blockers, why on Earth would he bother mentioning it to Emma? She would obviously know about it. They are recent add-ons, ones that don't fit in with continuity since Xavier is no longer a mutant, but recent none the less. If it makes you feel better assume that writer meant "level 9 blockers courtesy of AIM/SHIELD/HAND". Since he did have blockers installed during EotS... and it seems unlikely that they would disappear on their own accord. Despite the writer's inaccuracy Wolverine's level 9 PSI dampeners are a new feature that he never had before.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
If he always had blockers, why on Earth would he bother mentioning it to Emma? She would obviously know about it. They are recent add-ons, ones that don't fit in with continuity since Xavier is no longer a mutant, but recent none the less. If it makes you feel better assume that writer meant "level 9 blockers courtesy of AIM/SHIELD/HAND". Since he did have blockers installed during EotS... and it seems unlikely that they would disappear on their own accord. Despite the writer's inaccuracy Wolverine's level 9 PSI dampeners are a new feature that he never had before.

Firstly whether the blockers are new or old doesn't really matter...since AXM #15 and Wolverine Origins #5 occur after the EotS arc as does the Deadly Genesis #2(Bypassing ONE's Telepathic Blockers). Not to mention the fact that if we go by off hand comments in that same issue Emma is refered to as a Level 10. So either way against a so called "Level 10" telepath Wolvey's blockers are going down.

Secondly the writer goes on a limb to say Xavier installed "Level 9 Psi Shields" as opposed to telepathic blockers. Which also could be interpreted as a some sort of permanent psi-feat performed by Xavier. And it's not some type of machinery.

Thirdly...can we really assume he still has those Psi Dampeners ll in his head when SHIELD had him on the operating table at the end of EotS? Because to this day Telepaths are still able to locate his whereabouts on the battlefield. If there was a machine still lodged in his head then this wouldn't be possible. Also after that recent SUPER HEALING feat he performed where he regrew his entire body back...any machinery in his head that was present before wouldn't be there today. Logically and going by the dialogue in the issue itself...he has always had these "Level 9 Psi Shields".

Also a possible reason why he mentioned this to Emma could be as a reminder...or just trash talk...in any event from her response she looked like she couldn't care any less.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Firstly whether the blockers are new or old doesn't really matter...since AXM #15 and Wolverine Origins #5 occur after the EotS arc as does the Deadly Genesis #2(Bypassing ONE's Telepathic Blockers). Not to mention the fact that if we go by off hand comments in that same issue Emma is refered to as a Level 10. So either way against a so called "Level 10" telepath Wolvey's blockers are going down.

Secondly the writer goes on a limb to say Xavier installed "Level 9 Psi Shields" as opposed to telepathic blockers. Which also could be interpreted as a some sort of permanent psi-feat performed by Xavier. And it's not some type of machinery. Wolverine has been appearing in his Astonishing costume for a long while now, and Colossus has been hovering about too... the X-Man that dies in the Unstopable arc might launch the series a head in contiunity but as it stands now it isn't a head of the normal marvel continuity nor is it running congruint with it.

Thirdly...can we really assume he still has those Psi dampeners are still in his head when SHIELD had him on the operating table at the end of EotS? Because to this day Telepaths are still able to locate his whereabouts on the battlefield. If there was a machine still lodged in his head then this wouldn't be possible. In any event after that recent SUPER HEALING feat he performed where he regrew his entire body back...any type of machinery in his head present before wouldn't be there today. Logically and going by the dialogue in the issue itself...he has always had these "Level 9 Psi Shields".

Also a possible reason why he mentioned this to Emma could be as a reminder...or just trash talk...in any event from her response she looked like she couldn't care any less.

Telepathic communication and telepathic manipulation/suggestion are two separate and different things. Elektra was communicating with Wolverine telepathically in EotS for example but she was unable exert any influence on him or read anything in his mind that wasn't on the surface. So, Emma communicating with Logan in Origin's isn't relevant and I'm almost 100% positive that the X-Men editor said that AXM was taking place before all the other X-Titles in one of the Joe Friday articles on Newsarama. Also Wolverine has been appearing in his Astonishing costume for a long while now, and Colossus has been hovering about too... the X-Man that dies in the Unstopable arc might forcably launch the series a head in contiunity but as it stands now I don't think it is a head of the normal marvel contiuity nor is it running congruint with it

On a separate note we don't know whether PSI blockers/shields/dampeners/whatever you want to call them are mechanical in nature. I always thought they created by physic conditioning and a series of physic barriers set up in the applicants mind.

Anyway in spite of the writers continuity error, these PSI-Shields are a new add-on for Wolverine. They have never been mentioned before and I'd wager a guess that if he had any sort of PSI dampeners (aside from natural resistance) a second rate telepath like Mr. X might have found it difficult to read Wolverine's mind.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Telepathic communication and telepathic manipulation/suggestion are two separate and different things. Elektra was communicating with Wolverine telepathically in EotS for example but she was unable exert any influence on him or read anything in his mind that wasn't on the surface. So, Emma communicating with Logan in Origin's isn't relevant and I'm almost 100% positive that the X-Men editor said that AXM was taking place before all the other X-Titles in one of the Joe Friday articles on Newsarama.

On a separate note we don't know whether PSI blockers/shields/dampeners/whatever you want to call them are mechanical in nature. I always thought they created by physic conditioning and a series of physic barriers set up in the applicants mind.

Anyway in spite of the writers continuity error, these PSI-Shields are a new add-on for Wolverine. They have never been mentioned before and I'd wager a guess that if he had any sort of PSI dampeners (aside from natural resistance) a second rate telepath like Mr. X might have found it difficult to read Wolverine's mind.

[center]It wasn't just telepathic communication in Origins...it was a some sort of sensation in their heads.
The AXM Torn Arc is set sometime in the near future after Civil War and Warsong where Cyclops is without a visor...the New X-Men #37 issue involving Blindfold will deal with the AXM teams absence. The other X-Men books still have to deal with Emma's lapse/betrayl as well. I'll try and find the Quesada's interview.

Do you have an example like this? In New X-men(Strykers blockers) and Deadly Genesis(O.N.E's blockers) telepathic blockers were expressed as mechanical devices. Heck IronMans, Doom and The Fantastic Fours telepathic blockers are machinery. Magneto himself is a telepath.
The entire X-Men roster has had psychic conditioning and training against telepathic mind control. Psychic barriers as in something Xavier could perform? Again if we go by this then Xavier could have installed it a long time ago when he still had his powers. Meaning everything makes logical sense and fits into continuity perfectly.

In EotS the blockers were cloaking his location...to this day they are able to locate him.

Wolverine has always had some sort of resistance to telepathy. The blockers itself would explain this resistance.

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