Originally posted by sithsaber408That was serious though.
Neither is the idea that Iran is welcome to nukes, is not a threat, and that we should avoid conflict with them rather than confronting them. 😬
I don't think Iran would be much of a thread for us (Germany...actually also the US)
We shouldn't just randomly bomb a country because we fear they might randomly bomb a country...not seeing the hypocrisy? No? Only one here?
And Iran should have every ****ing right to use nuclear energy by peaceful means.
Originally posted by Morgoths_WrathThey're just trying to protect their fellow Muslim the way I see it, but we should take precautions.
Now, I understand that Iran has threatened Israel and wants to wipe them off the map, but if Iran got the bomb I don't know how quick they would be to use it since Israel has nukes as well.I think that their push for nuclear technology and their defiance of the West is mostly to prove that they are a powerful nation and they have every right to nuclear power, just as much right as the West has.
The Iranians, from what I've heard, are a very proud people, and for the (more powerful?) Western powers to say they can't have nuclear power must be insulting to them.
How big is the threat of a nuclear Iran, honestly? Is it worth fighting a war against them to stop their nuclear ambitions? Do they have a legitimate right to nuclear energy as a sovereign nation?
Originally posted by Bardock42
That was serious though.I don't think Iran would be much of a thread for us (Germany...actually also the US)
We shouldn't just randomly bomb a country because we fear they might randomly bomb a country...not seeing the hypocrisy? No? Only one here?
And Iran should have every ****ing right to use nuclear energy by peaceful means.
Originally posted by lord xyz
They're just trying to protect their fellow Muslim the way I see it, but we should take precautions.
You guys are what's wrong with the European approach.
Only certain countries get nukes. Sorry, that's the way it is. Generally they are allies of the U.S., and not a Muslim-led theocracy bent on exterminating the Zionists.
Even if Iran didn't start a nuclear war with Israel (which many believe that they would) they would still supply nuke technology to any terrorist who would desire to use it against us or our interests.
(just as they are doing now supplying insurgents in Iraq and supplying and funding Hezzbolah terrorists.)
That is an uncaceptable option (Iran supplying terrorists with nukes) and won't be allowed to happen.
Originally posted by sithsaber408
You guys are what's wrong with the European approach.Only certain countries get nukes. Sorry, that's the way it is. Generally they are allies of the U.S., and not a Muslim-led theocracy bent on exterminating the Zionists.
Even if Iran didn't start a nuclear war with Israel (which many believe that they would) they would still supply nuke technology to any terrorist who would desire to use it against us or our interests.
(just as they are doing now supplying insurgents in Iraq and supplying and funding Hezzbolah terrorists.)
That is an uncaceptable option (Iran supplying terrorists with nukes) and won't be allowed to happen.
Oh, I am not saying that it will go my way. And actually I'd rather have it watched whether they have nukes. Just saying that if they had the threat would still be small I assume. Also saying that they should have nuclear energy.
If the US wants to bomb the shit out of them, go ahead...though you are the ****ers that actually kill innocent people...should just remember that.
Originally posted by Bardock42
That was serious though.I don't think Iran would be much of a thread for us (Germany...actually also the US)
We shouldn't just randomly bomb a country because we fear they might randomly bomb a country...not seeing the hypocrisy? No? Only one here?
And Iran should have every ****ing right to use nuclear energy by peaceful means.
I agree.
and all this opposition seems to be based on the assumption that Iran is making nuclear weapons. We don't know that they are doing that, and another preemptive (preventive?) war would not be a good thing (who wants another Iraq?)
You know, the big issue of Iran having nuclear weapons-grade technology is totally moot. In this day and age there is no such thing as nuclear secrets. It isn't 1952 anymore.
Speaking from a nuclear stand point, Iran isn't much of a threat to the US. From a national security stand point they are a much bigger threat. They effect global politics around the world. And this idea that we can go up the list of countries that don't like us and bully and grandstand won't work anymore. Like I said, it isn't 1952 anymore.
Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
You know, the big issue of Iran having nuclear weapons-grade technology is totally moot. In this day and age there is no such thing as nuclear secrets. It isn't 1952 anymore.Speaking from a nuclear stand point, Iran isn't much of a threat to the US. From a national security stand point they are a much bigger threat. They effect global politics around the world. And this idea that we can go up the list of countries that don't like us and bully and grandstand won't work anymore. Like I said, it isn't 1952 anymore.
Would Iran launch a nuke at the U.S. from their soil even if someone like the Russians or Chinese sold them the rocket/propulsion technology? Extremely doubtful.
Would Iran sell/give nuclear technology to a terrorist organization that would/could detonate it in down town San Francisco, Tel Aviv or Paris? Very Plausible
Originally posted by Robtard
Would Iran launch a nuke at the U.S. from their soil even if someone like the Russians or Chinese sold them the rocket/propulsion technology? Extremely doubtful.Would Iran sell/give nuclear technology to a terrorist organization that would/could detonate it in down town San Francisco, Tel Aviv or Paris? Very Plausible
But that's kind of missing my point. The technology is out there. It's all over the black market. Dozens and dozens of countries have the technology. That's the result of the end of the cold war. The threat moved from a two country dispute to a global threat. What I'm saying is that stopping Iran from getting the technology is a moot point. It's there for the taking or developing. That's why it comes down to a terror prevention campaign. And you don't do that by invading a country and further destabilizing the region.
This war on terror is not a war that will be won on a battle field with two armies fighting an open conflict. Terrorism can be fought more effectively with proper security and concentrated police effort, not by rolling into a soverign nation in a tank. This is a job for the CIA, FBI and Homeland security, not the US army.
I feel any nuclear country is a threat, one is no better than the other. There all capable of world annihilation America makes Iran look bad in our eyes, and Iran makes America look bad in there people eyes. Bottom line no one should have them. How can you banned another nation from having them when you do? Not to mention Israel have them as well, but that don't seem to be a problem. Now how hypocritical is that?blowup
Originally posted by sithsaber408
Who needs the Army?The U.S. Air Force can bomb the sh!t out of them from a good distance.
IF (and its a a big "if"😉 they continue to pursue nukes and won't follow U.N. resolutions and such.
How is that any better than them dropping a dirty bomb into a fed-ex envelope and mailing to NYC?
What you're really addressing, in a very deep down kind of way, is that you don't like them because they're different. And I'm not even saying they're different in a good way. But do you really want to be a citizen of a country that goes around "spreading freedom" with the buisness end of a nuclear warhead? I can assure you the Iranians are playing with fire when they talk about nuclear weapons and using them against the US. I can also assure you that they know that as well. They might have a few bombs, but we invented the damn things. We've got more than enough to wipe them off the face of the Earth. But what happens after that? Unlike the cold war, this isn't mutually assured destruction we're talking about. Yes, it would be a catastrophe for the city or population the bomb was used against. But the Iranians don't want to suffer that kind of escalated backlash. So it won't happen that way.
So after we nuke Iran and wipe them out, what next? Who have we just pissed off? Another nuclear power? Should they hit us back, or should we just go ahead and nuke them too? And after that?
You really need to find a way to wrap you head around the idea that our actions as a nation have consequences. This isn't the wild west and we aren't the town sheriff...no matter how many village people outfits GW wears for the cameras.
Originally posted by RedAlertv2
When he said US army, he was obviously alluding to the military in general.
I'm pretty sure he understood that. But thank you for pointing it out.