Originally posted by Help
Why is everyone saying that Iran would sellthe technology. As soon as they're allowed to get their hands on enough Uranium-235 (which can be detonmated by slamming two chunks of it together) they'll be able to make the ulimate suicide bomber
One more reason not to let them pursue it.
Added to a potential nuclear war with its neighbor, and the high possibility of providing nuclear arms to terrorist groups....
It becomes quite plain that a nuclear Iran is out of the question.
Iran has repeatedly stated that they wish to construct power plants with the material. Whether they'll actually use the material for bombs or electricity is debatable, but I don't see any worry about them having little kiloton fission bombs when we've gotten so good at megaton-yield bomb design that we can build a bomb the size of your fist that can destroy a city.
note: I'm not exagerrating the bomb size either, that was a statement from my uncle who works at Sandia Labs and was part of their nuclear weapons division.
Originally posted by AngryManatee
Iran has repeatedly stated that they wish to construct power plants with the material.
And they've repeatedly stated that they want to wipe Israel off the face of the earth.
What's your point?
Originally posted by AngryManatee
I don't see any worry about them having little kiloton fission bombs when we've gotten so good at megaton-yield bomb design that we can build a bomb the size of your fist that can destroy a city.note: I'm not exagerrating the bomb size either, that was a statement from my uncle who works at Sandia Labs and was part of their nuclear weapons division.
The worry is not about the size or stength of bomb that they would be capable of producing, but what the effect of said bomb in the trunk of a car blown up in Times Square would be.
Our ability to produce a stronger and more compact bomb will mean nothing if the Iranians give the one that they make to some free-lance terrorist.
Originally posted by Help
Why is everyone saying that Iran would sellthe technology. As soon as they're allowed to get their hands on enough Uranium-235 (which can be detonmated by slamming two chunks of it together) they'll be able to make the ulimate suicide bomber
You wouldn't be able to make a powerful nuclear device for a person to carry if you use an implosion design like that. You need the equal power of an artillery piece to accelerate the material in order to start a huge series of reactions like that.
Fat Boy, the bomb dropped on nagasaki, was an implosion design , and its yield was 41 kilotons. That's from a 7.5 ft tall bomb weighing 10,000 lbs. It's much more cost effective for them to just strap normal explosives to themselves rather than small fission devices.
Originally posted by sithsaber408
And they've repeatedly stated that they want to wipe Israel off the face of the earth.What's your point?
The worry is not about the size or stength of bomb that they would be capable of producing, but what the effect of said bomb in the trunk of a car blown up in Times Square would be.
Our ability to produce a stronger and more compact bomb will mean nothing if the Iranians give the one that they make to some free-lance terrorist.
Saudi Arabia, our "allies," have actually attempted, twice I might add, to wipe Israel off the map, not merely talk about it. It's not just Iran that wants them gone.
If they were to make a bomb of any sizeable yield, it would have to be towed by a truck or hauled in an 18-wheeler. It wouldn't be very incospicuous, mainly due to the fact that you can't go offroad across the border with that kind of load, and the heat and radiation sigs given off by it.
Edit: secretly transporting a simple fission device is not an easy thing to do.
Heres another viewpoint.
We live in a democracy that while possibly corrupt , entitles a large portion of our leaders power upon the publics technical choice. Also while our leaders may be idiots they employ Aids who our a lot more level headed and clear minded.
Iran and it's various outlying states/countries on the other hand ISN'T a democracy. It's either a dictatorship or it a (very) crooked attempt at democracy filled with serious religious issues all smack bang in the middle ; and these things alone flip flop every couple of months/years.
Giving ANY of them nuclear capability (power or otherwise) Is like giving a jar full of Nitro glycerin to a guy and telling him to shake it. There's a small chance he wotn blow up , but it's Veeeeeeeeeeeeeery small chance.
Originally posted by sithsaber408
Plus they're God's people and the Bible says that any nation that stands against them will fall.😛I meant that half-seriously, but deep down most of our American leaders believe this in one form or another, or they certainly know that the American populace believes it.
So, are you saying that we are protecting Israel for zealous religious reasons? I find that funny because they wish to destroy Israel because of zealous religious reasons. 😱
Originally posted by Robtard
Allies... They are.If China were to attack the U.K., the U.S. would jump in, why? Allies.
If the relationship between the two were simply as allies, that might be valid. But that doesn't really address my point.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
So, are you saying that we are protecting Israel for zealous religious reasons? I find that funny because they wish to destroy Israel because of zealous religious reasons. 😱
You can't really say it any better than that.
Theres something odd about this whole Iran middle east thing. Maybe its all religion who knows. so far this is whats been happening.
Armageddadinejad: We will not back down.
Al-Sadist: We will not back down.
Cheney: We will not back down.
Hamas: We will not back down.
Saudi Royal Family: We will not back down.
Hezbollah: We will not back down.
Israel: We will not back down.
EU: We'll back down.
Russia: We don't like this.
China: We will Crush you all.
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm?
I wonder where this is going?