Originally posted by Space M ummyAnd Wolverine's are better
yes, he does. thanks to the heart shaped herb, Panther's physical stats are exactly the same as captain america's- peak human strength, endurance, speed, etc.
Originally posted by Space M ummy
His fighting skills are no joke either. He's easily Wolverine's level.
No. Wolverine, Captain America, Batman, are all top tier combatants when it comes to skill.
Then its people like Daredevil and Nightwing.
Black Panther's about a rung below them.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
While we usually agree on most fights here, I must definitely disagree with you here.Panther is PLENTY fast enough and PLENTY skilled enough to tag/attack/damage Wolverine. Wolverine can do the same to BP, too.
No. On a general basis, Wolverine's speed is portrayed as enhanced human, while BP is peak human. Also, Wolverine has the definite skill advantage here.
Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
No. On a general basis, Wolverine's speed is portrayed as enhanced human, while BP is peak human. Also, Wolverine has the definite skill advantage here.
From Marvel.com-
Abilities
T'Challa is a brilliant tactician, strategist, scientist, tracker and a master of all forms of unarmed combat whose unique hybrid fighting style incorporates acrobatics and aspects of animal mimicry. T'Challa being a royal descendent of a warrior race is also a master of armed combat, able to use a variety of weapons but prefers unarmed combat. He is a master planner who always thinks several steps ahead and will go to extreme measures to achieve his goals and protect the kingdom of Wakanda.
Saying wolverine has "a definite skill advantage" is a huge stretch. He's been defeated by people far less skilled than panther is.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Bat'o'rangs are standard equipment because Batman always has them, anti-metal claws aren't because Panther only has them once in a blue moon. Default rules say standard equipment so he doesn't have them for this fight because the OP didn't state other wise,
Every source I've seen has the anti metal claws built into the suit as standard equipment, even marvel directory, though I hate to quote that as it's frequently out of date.
Weapons: T'Challa's Vibranium micro-weave bodysuit not only stops bullets, but saps their momentum. His boots' Vibranium soles absorb sound and impact -- enabling him to leap from structures up to eight stories tall and land without injury, and literally run up the sides of buildings. The Panther's retractable claws contain a new composite of the experimental "anti-metal" Vibranium that can break down other alloys. T'Challa wields an energy dagger that can be fired, thrown or handled like a knife. At its highest setting, the weapon easily can cut through forged steel.
Show me a source that says the anti metal claws were one time only.
Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
And Wolverine's are betterNo. Wolverine, Captain America, Batman, are all top tier combatants when it comes to skill.
Then its people like Daredevil and Nightwing.
Black Panther's about a rung below them.
Cosigned.
Wolverine:
Is faster.
Is stronger.
is more skilled.
is vastly more durable.
And can pretty much one-hit-kill T'Challa. T'Challa can't say the same.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Anti metal isn't part of Panther's standard gear. Also Wolverine's bones are adamantium beta which is partially organic, so who can say what the effects of Antartic Vibranium would have on them?
Anti metal claws have been apart of panthers gear for years...........years.
And they seperate metal on a molcular level.
Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
And Wolverine's are better.
Powers
T'Challa's senses and physical attributes have been enhanced to superhuman levels by the heart-shaped herb.
Abilities
Powers
Wolverine is as healthy and physically fit as a man in his prime
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Pretty sure Anti-Metal claws where only part of the stealth suit he used to fight Ironman,
Shows how much you know, Ironman built his steatlh suit because he knew his regualar suit would get diced up by panther, read the comic Iron man says something like
"The outter most layer of my armor reacts to your anti-metal claws, sending back a charge that could bring Thor to his knees"
or something to that effect.
Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
No. On a general basis, Wolverine's speed is portrayed as enhanced human, while BP is peak human. Also, Wolverine has the definite skill advantage here.
http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/6645/bpvsxmen2wa.jpg
Powers
T'Challa's senses and physical attributes have been enhanced to superhuman levels by the heart-shaped herb.
Abilities
T'Challa is a brilliant tactician, strategist, scientist, tracker and a master of all forms of unarmed combat whose unique hybrid fighting style incorporates acrobatics and aspects of animal mimicry
Powers
Wolverine is as healthy and physically fit as a man in his prime
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Bat'o'rangs are standard equipment because Batman always has them, anti-metal claws aren't because Panther only has them once in a blue moon. Default rules say standard equipment so he doesn't have them for this fight because the OP didn't state other wise,
Every time T'challas claws come out, they are anit-metal, what are you talking about!? Are you lost!? 😕
Originally posted by Bol Gath
and even if the anti-metal claws can cut adamantium which i doubt they would meet wolverines superhumanly hard bone beneath the adamantium.
Should I waste my time with this............nah............
Originally posted by Soljer
*sigh* Apollo, T'Challa's great.But he isn't as fast as Wolverine. He isn't as strong. He isn't as skilled. And he can't kill Wolverine with a single swipe. He's going down here.
Don't s"sigh apollo" me, Why isn't he as fast, or as skilled!? prove it. And im not saying he goes down in a single swipe, this is a long fight right here, thanks to wolverines healing factor, and Im thinking wolverine will get through his suit.
But some of the arguments used, jees, you guys haven't provided any evidence that wolverine is physically superior, let alone more skilled.
Originally posted by Apolloknight
Don't s"sigh apollo" me, Why isn't he as fast, or as skilled!? prove it. And im not saying he goes down in a single swipe, this is a long fight right here, thanks to wolverines healing factor, and Im thinking wolverine will get through his suit.But some of the arguments used, jees, you guys haven't provided any evidence that wolverine is physically superior, let alone more skilled.
Jeez, thank god someone else is rational here. the Amount of Wolverine Fanboyism on this board can get insane sometimes.
Wolverine is not faster and stronger than the panther. Panther is an enhanced human, thanks to some kind of magical herb. He's peak human in ALL areas. At BEST they're even in physical attributes, though there's a case to be made that panther has an edge.
Panther's anti-metal claws disrupt adamantium on a molecular level. It doesn't even take much force- the "vibration" from the metal disrupts it on contact. This includes not only wolverine's claws, but also means devastating results for things like his skull, his spine, etc. If panther decides to slice open wolverine's skull (and he can) Wolverine won't be doing too much fighting with no brain.
Without his claws, wolverine is left to resort to punches and kicks against panther. Panther's suit nullifies all impact- wolverine is screwed.
Panther is one of the few people that can turn wolverine's strongest asset (his adamantium) into a liability, and he's Extremely smart. Panther is a super-genius. Wolverine? not so much.
Panther for the Win.
Originally posted by Apolloknight
Don't s"sigh apollo" me, Why isn't he as fast, or as skilled!? prove it. And im not saying he goes down in a single swipe, this is a long fight right here, thanks to wolverines healing factor, and Im thinking wolverine will get through his suit.But some of the arguments used, jees, you guys haven't provided any evidence that wolverine is physically superior, let alone more skilled.
Strength.
Show me T'Challa casually jogging through a brick wall with six men on his back. Wolverine's done it.
Show me T'Challa easily hefting a gargantuan shark onto a fishing barge from IN the water. Wolverine's done it.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=7230035
Show me T'Challa holding a friggin elevator car. (Note: I know it has nothing to do with lifting strength, but the grip strength to do so is ridiculously impressive, and unless you think Wolverine's strength is totally disproportional...it means something.)
http://img93.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wolvstrength9ea.jpg
Show me t'challa launching someone with a punch. UNDER WATER;
http://img73.imageshack.us/my.php?image=strength21yp.jpg
Show me T'Challa lifting a gargantuan tree trunk. Wolverine's done it.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=7230043
Breaking the 'guaranteed unbreakable'
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v207/sinister_samurai/Wolverine/1666c64e.jpg
The dumpster feat:
http://img93.imageshack.us/my.php?image=anothergoodoldstrengthfeat5sc.jpg
Speed:
http://img135.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wolverinev1068170in.jpg
http://img99.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wolverinev1068183cz.jpg
It's been posted a million times, but Wolverine is fast enough to, while guns are TRAINED ON HIM, turn around, rattle off a quip, and slice through all the guns before a single person can pull the trigger.
Here, he speedblitzes a cyborg that had enhanced speed:
http://img69.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wolverine406ut.jpg
Wolverine deflecting a bullet fired by that same cyborg. With a claw.
http://img181.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wolverine34kf0.jpg
Hmmm;
http://img218.imageshack.us/my.php?image=204brwc7.jpg
http://img246.imageshack.us/my.php?image=216rb.jpg
Skill:
Stomping Shang Chi? Im sure we don't need to post that again. Note that Panther would get owned hand to hand with Chi.
Coming out on top in his fight against Captain America? Any fight in the past between Cap and T'Challa has either been a stalemate or favored Cap. This one, was clearly the other way round.
Taking on thousands of hand ninjas without them landing a hit (yeah, yeah, inverse ninja law, shaddap).
So, seriously, don't give me shit about what marvel.com may or may not say. T'Challa has no exhibited anything superhuman, even WITH the heart shaped herb, and Wolverine is CLEARLY superior to peak human.
This isn't a straightforward walk over for Logan, Panther isn't below DD and Nightwing hand to hand wise, why do people assume he is?
Right back as far as Kirby Panther has been taking it to martial artists hand to hand, Wolverine is not curb stomping Panther by any stretch of the imagination.
Yes the Herb Enhances his strength, agility and senses, he is easily as agile as DD, his sense of smell, hearing and sight not far off Wolverines.
Even without the Panther spirit in his late 80's limited run, when his power seemed to be fading, he took out the Supremists single handed, they even had a Superman knock off on the team, and he used his skill and enviroment to beat them.
The Avengers deemed him a suitable replacement for Cap based on his skills so how come all of a sudden he can't even match Nightwing skill wise?
I would give Logan the nod durability wise all day long, I would even give him the edge in strength as I believe he is stronger than Cap and I would definetly give Logan the experience.
But this is a fight no matter how you look at it, Panther has shocked many opponents with his speed and skill, Logan being among them, I think a lot of people are blinkered now to what Panther can do thanks to a general dislike of Hudlin.
Wolverine one shotting Panther isn't going to happen, Wolverine is a fanboys wet dream, Marvel know it and he just keeps getting upgraded.
I can live with that, I give Logan his props, interesting character with great skill and durability and an insane healing factor but he will have trouble with a guy like Panther.
Logans healing factor may give him a slight majority but I definetly wouldn't go higher than 6/10 Logan and it could just as easily be dead evens in my eyes.
