Wolverine Vs Black Panther

I have thought about the anti-metal issue myself, but I look at it this way, Black Panther when he fought Capt in civil war, it didnt liquefy his chain mail which is mere steel, and those scans above prove that Wolverine is obviously stronger. so technically even if they did liquefy metal, all Wolverine would have to do is dodge a claw swipe or a blow from BP, grab his hand and ram his anti-metal into his suit which, if it would liquefy adamantium, it would liquefy his vibranium micro mesh suit. and Wolverine guts him in the heart. Game over.

My apologies for taking so long, I'm on dialup at the moment and it sucks.

That being said, this is (obviously) not my panther respect thread, but there's some good stuff in there. the link is here:

link

among some of the VERY cool scans there:

Black Panther vs Iron Fist. This Iron Fist was made psychically unstable and Black Dragon left a hypnotic message in his mind. His every hit was an Iron Fist attack. This is a feat on a multiple levels. One, of course, is martial arts skill. Then, speed/agility as IF doesnt get in a single hit until the very end. Then, a feat of durability as only multiple IF attacks in a row are able to shred the suit. Plus, BP takes him down using a mini device (and then falls down himself). - Black Panther v2 #39

Black Panther defeats some magical enemies (blasts them with his energy daggers, throws a lion through glass and actually stops an elephant with his bare hands). - Black Panther v2 #58

White Tiger's average agility stuff. Naturally, Kasper isn't T'Challa, but I thought I'd still throw it in. Kasper is a rookie narcotics officer and thanks to the herb he can do this stuff (and T'Challa is a chieftain and a warrior who trained since he was a child). - The Crew #2

Black Panther winning vs a physically enhanced Red Skull Avengers v3 #70

1989 Black Panther says that he can break chains, but he is afraid to hurt his mother, so he won't try to break them.

1988 When a woman points a gun at T'Challa, he says he can take the gun, empty the chambers and give it back to her before she can pull the trigger. - Black Panther LS #3

1998 Black Panther's mental training allows him to hide his thoughts from the likes of Cable. - Cable #54

There's a crapload of stuff there- a lot of it highlighting his intelligence and tactical ability (the iron man fight is there, for instance.)
Keep in mind BP isn't a top-tier marvel hero. He doesn't have the popularity or exposure wolverine does, so naturally there's less raw feats. But anyone who says wolverine is clearly superior physically, or can "one shot" black panther is out of his mind.

Originally posted by Space M ummy

Keep in mind BP isn't a top-tier marvel hero. He doesn't have the popularity or exposure wolverine does, so naturally there's less raw feats. But anyone who says wolverine is clearly superior physically, or can "one shot" black panther is out of his mind.

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Space Mummy, your link isn't working for me.

EDIT: Ahh you fixed it!

Originally posted by Space M ummy
My apologies for taking so long, I'm on dialup at the moment and it sucks.

That being said, this is (obviously) not my panther respect thread, but there's some good stuff in there. the link is here:

link

among some of the VERY cool scans there:

Black Panther vs Iron Fist. This Iron Fist was made psychically unstable and Black Dragon left a hypnotic message in his mind. His every hit was an Iron Fist attack. This is a feat on a multiple levels. One, of course, is martial arts skill. Then, speed/agility as IF doesnt get in a single hit until the very end. Then, a feat of durability as only multiple IF attacks in a row are able to shred the suit. Plus, BP takes him down using a mini device (and then falls down himself). - Black Panther v2 #39

Black Panther defeats some magical enemies (blasts them with his energy daggers, throws a lion through glass and actually stops an elephant with his bare hands). - Black Panther v2 #58

White Tiger's average agility stuff. Naturally, Kasper isn't T'Challa, but I thought I'd still throw it in. Kasper is a rookie narcotics officer and thanks to the herb he can do this stuff (and T'Challa is a chieftain and a warrior who trained since he was a child). - The Crew #2

Black Panther winning vs a physically enhanced Red Skull Avengers v3 #70

1989 Black Panther says that he can break chains, but he is afraid to hurt his mother, so he won't try to break them.

1988 When a woman points a gun at T'Challa, he says he can take the gun, empty the chambers and give it back to her before she can pull the trigger. - Black Panther LS #3

1998 Black Panther's mental training allows him to hide his thoughts from the likes of Cable. - Cable #54

There's a crapload of stuff there- a lot of it highlighting his intelligence and tactical ability (the iron man fight is there, for instance.)
Keep in mind BP isn't a top-tier marvel hero. He doesn't have the popularity or exposure wolverine does, so naturally there's less raw feats. But anyone who says wolverine is clearly superior physically, or can "one shot" black panther is out of his mind.

I've read it. Multiple times. There isn't a thing to make me think that Wolverine isn't physically T'Challa's superior, and nothing you listed is nearly as impressive as the (notably fewer) scans I posted last page.

Nice try though?

Originally posted by braz
I have thought about the anti-metal issue myself, but I look at it this way, Black Panther when he fought Capt in civil war, it didnt liquefy his chain mail which is mere steel, and those scans above prove that Wolverine is obviously stronger. so technically even if they did liquefy metal, all Wolverine would have to do is dodge a claw swipe or a blow from BP, grab his hand and ram his anti-metal into his suit which, if it would liquefy adamantium, it would liquefy his vibranium micro mesh suit. and Wolverine guts him in the heart. Game over.

nice thought, but antimetal IS vibranium (though a special type). Vibranium won't liquify vibranium, but it DOES disrupt everything else, including adamantium. this isn't "technically," this is fact.

Wolverine is not "obviously stronger or more skilled" than BP. check some of the scans I linked to, especially the Iron Fist one. There won't be any easy "dodging and grabbing" on wolverine's part.

I didn't read that issue of civil war yet, but unless BP's claws are retractable. unless he was trying to disembowel cap, it's unlikely he'd be using them.

Space Mummy, your link isn't working for me.

EDIT: Ahh you fixed it!

yeah, genius that I was, I screwed it up. 🙂

Errmm, like I said. I've read it.

More than once.

It's a great respect thread - but nothing to prove that T'Challa is on Wolverine's level.

Originally posted by Soljer

So, seriously, don't give me shit about what marvel.com may or may not say. T'Challa has no exhibited anything superhuman, even WITH the heart shaped herb, and Wolverine is CLEARLY superior to peak human.

Very nice post, its about time, make me work for it 😉 But I think I got a little something.

Strength

Panther beats a lion

http://img95.exs.cx/img95/1598/vslion.jpg

Beats a Rhino

http://img67.exs.cx/img67/8618/rh1.jpg
http://img64.exs.cx/img64/5541/rh2.jpg

Breaks the grip of a yeti

http://img25.exs.cx/img25/7543/yeti.jpg

Pushing a giant boulder on Ymir, and swings around a large tree like nothing, hey this trees even on fire.
And notice Vision says, TONS, TONS of rock.

http://img27.exs.cx/img27/8885/ymir0.jpg
http://img56.exs.cx/img56/5203/ymir.jpg

Speed

Dodges the avengers security systems

http://img82.exs.cx/img82/9603/av23.jpg, do you think james could!?

Panthers fights beast, notice how beast says "You are just as agile as I panther" Do you think james is as agile as beast!?

http://img93.exs.cx/img93/7373/vsbeast1.jpg

Panther dodges a blast AND SAVES SCARLET WHICH while beast is hit

http://img41.exs.cx/img41/7468/proje.jpg

Dodges Whirlwind, a speedstar, do you think james could!?

http://img94.exs.cx/img94/4858/wind.jpg

Do to his speed and senses, it is nearly impossible to hit panther with a blast, even a surprise one.

http://img156.imageshack.us/my.php?image=surprise1ry.jpg

Dodges hawkeyes boomerang arrow which has nailed whizzer before

http://img96.exs.cx/img96/8904/arrow.jpg

Panther dodges Irommans blasts and drop kicks him

http://img53.exs.cx/img53/4170/vsironman.jpg

Some agility/leaping, he jumps on top of a Barn Stack.......A barn Stack, how tall are those

http://img57.exs.cx/img57/1660/vsstrange1.jpg

And jumps 3 story's from ground level into a building

http://img113.exs.cx/img113/3866/jump3.jpg

Here he goes through the avengers systems again, the entire avengers team is nailed he isn't tho

http://img76.exs.cx/img76/4230/a119.jpg
http://img51.exs.cx/img51/9039/a217.jpg

Wolverine has some nice feats of speed, alot of them against humans, I decided to try not and post thoes since mercs and ninjas job, and any streetleverler worth his weight can dodge them these days.
As far as skill goes, Panther has dodged the Iron fist with ease, and showed better skill in that fight, Stalemated cap and got the better of him recently in a sparring match. Wolverine beat Panther in the Contest of Champions and BP wasn't even trying and Wolverine was going for the kill. Even still wolverine comments on his speed. heck wolverine tried to sneak him....

http://img73.exs.cx/img73/8647/vswolv1.jpg

Like I said this is a difficult fight to call, wolverines healing factor is the Wild card, but Panthers suit and claws are both hard to get around.

hmmm...

Edit: forgot about this one, evades quicksilver

http://img44.exs.cx/img44/7089/quickie1.jpg

Oh and all these scans are from just the first page of his respect Thread.........

Originally posted by Soljer
Errmm, like I said. I've read it.

More than once.

It's a great respect thread - but nothing to prove that T'Challa is on Wolverine's level.

Why not? He's stalemated Cap, so he's on cap's level. He defeated Iron Fist, so he's on Iron Fist's level or better. He's defeated Red skull (who has a cloned body of cap, mind you) so his physical skills are easily peak human or better. But you knew that already, so it's common knowledge.

The scans prove he has superhuman senses and reflexes- even a rookie with NO training at all who took the herb gained advanced skills. Panther has been in training since birth.

we all know what anti-metal does to adamantium. It's common knowlege how vibranium performs vs. Impacts like kicks, punches, and bullets.

But somehow, Wolverine is too much for him. Whatever man, I'm not here to convince fanboys.

Edit: Apollo! GREAT job with those scans. I'm going to have to stop being lazy and start archiving some soon. 🙂

Originally posted by Apolloknight

Breaks the grip of a yeti

http://img25.exs.cx/img25/7543/yeti.jpg

Thats from the very first comic I ever bought! 😄

I have a lot of those issues in those scans, its funny how many feats you forget!

Panther hasn't had anti-metal claws since Priest's run... so why are people still considering them part of his standard equipment? 😕

The fact that he used to have them is irrelevant.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Panther hasn't had anti-metal claws since Priest's run... so why are people still considering them part of his standard equipment? 😕

The fact that he used to have them is irrelevant.

Priest gave panther, his vibranium suit, energy daggers, anti-metal claws and his kimyno card.

So.............he suddenly just lost this all huh?

Please dont grasp for straws.

Originally posted by Apolloknight
Priest gave panther, his vibranium suit, energy daggers, anti-metal claws and his kimyno card.

So.............he suddenly just lost this all huh?

Please dont grasp for straws.

So? Taskmaster was given a solid energy generator but he doesn't have it now does he?

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
So? Taskmaster was given a solid energy generator but he doesn't have it now does he?

the difference is that Taskmaster has been firmly established NOT to have that anymore.

This isn't the case with panther. Stop nitpicking.

Originally posted by Apolloknight
Very nice post, its about time, make me work for it 😉 But I think I got a little something.

Strength

Panther beats a lion

http://img95.exs.cx/img95/1598/vslion.jpg

Beats a Rhino

http://img67.exs.cx/img67/8618/rh1.jpg
http://img64.exs.cx/img64/5541/rh2.jpg

Breaks the grip of a yeti

http://img25.exs.cx/img25/7543/yeti.jpg

Pushing a giant boulder on Ymir, and swings around a large tree like nothing, hey this trees even on fire.
And notice Vision says, TONS, TONS of rock.

http://img27.exs.cx/img27/8885/ymir0.jpg
http://img56.exs.cx/img56/5203/ymir.jpg

Strength feats. Please. The boulder scan even mentions how it's so 'delicately balanced,' meaning that Panther merely has to slightly push it in one direction or the other. I mean, hell, I could push over an egyptian pyramid if it were balanced on the tip rather than the base.

The lion and rhino feats were more skill than strength. 😬.

Still haven't seen anything nearly as impressive as Logan's. Waiting....

Originally posted by Apolloknight

Speed

Dodges the avengers security systems

http://img82.exs.cx/img82/9603/av23.jpg, do you think james could!?

Panthers fights beast, notice how beast says "You are just as agile as I panther" Do you think james is as agile as beast!?

http://img93.exs.cx/img93/7373/vsbeast1.jpg

Panther dodges a blast AND SAVES SCARLET WHICH while beast is hit

http://img41.exs.cx/img41/7468/proje.jpg

Dodges Whirlwind, a speedstar, do you think james could!?

http://img94.exs.cx/img94/4858/wind.jpg

Do to his speed and senses, it is nearly impossible to hit panther with a blast, even a surprise one.

http://img156.imageshack.us/my.php?image=surprise1ry.jpg

Dodges hawkeyes boomerang arrow which has nailed whizzer before

http://img96.exs.cx/img96/8904/arrow.jpg

Panther dodges Irommans blasts and drop kicks him

http://img53.exs.cx/img53/4170/vsironman.jpg

Some agility/leaping, he jumps on top of a Barn Stack.......A barn Stack, how tall are those

http://img57.exs.cx/img57/1660/vsstrange1.jpg

And jumps 3 story's from ground level into a building

http://img113.exs.cx/img113/3866/jump3.jpg

Here he goes through the avengers systems again, the entire avengers team is nailed he isn't tho

http://img76.exs.cx/img76/4230/a119.jpg
http://img51.exs.cx/img51/9039/a217.jpg

Originally posted by Apolloknight

Wolverine has some nice feats of speed, alot of them against humans, I decided to try not and post thoes since mercs and ninjas job, and any streetleverler worth his weight can dodge them these days.
As far as skill goes, Panther has dodged the Iron fist with ease, and showed better skill in that fight, Stalemated cap and got the better of him recently in a sparring match. Wolverine beat Panther in the Contest of Champions and BP wasn't even trying and Wolverine was going for the kill. Even still wolverine comments on his speed. heck wolverine tried to sneak him....

http://img73.exs.cx/img73/8647/vswolv1.jpg

Like I said this is a difficult fight to call, wolverines healing factor is the Wild card, but Panthers suit and claws are both hard to get around.

hmmm...

Edit: forgot about this one, evades quicksilver

http://img44.exs.cx/img44/7089/quickie1.jpg

Oh and all these scans are from just the first page of his respect Thread.........

Please, don't use the "Logan's feats are against jobbers" argument just because T'Challa can't match them. It's an ignorant logical fallacy to make.

The best Panther's ever done to cap is stalemate him, or end up on the losing end of the match. Wolverine's beaten Cap on at least one occasion. He's TOTALLY PUNKED Shang Chi in two pages (who is usually regarded as equal to Iron Fist - you know, the guy that knocked panther the **** out?). And he's also beaten a guy that tooled Iron Fist via skill alone.

I also can't even remember the last time I've seen the arctic vibranium claws on panel.

Originally posted by Soljer
Strength feats. Please. The boulder scan even mentions how it's so 'delicately balanced,' meaning that Panther merely has to slightly push it in one direction or the other. I mean, hell, I could push over an egyptian pyramid if it were balanced on the tip rather than the base.

The lion and rhino feats were more skill than strength. 😬.

Still haven't seen anything nearly as impressive as Logan's. Waiting....

Nothing beyond Logan. Logan's dodged Iron Man's blasts, he's dodged lasers and bullets. He's jumped at least as high as a sentinel before. He's dodged and nailed speedsters in the past.
*yawn*

Please, don't use the "Logan's feats are against jobbers" argument just because T'Challa can't match them. It's an ignorant logical fallacy to make.

The best Panther's ever done to cap is stalemate him, or end up on the losing end of the match. Wolverine's beaten Cap on at least one occasion. He's TOTALLY PUNKED Shang Chi in two pages (who is usually regarded as equal to Iron Fist - you know, the guy that knocked panther the **** out?). And he's also beaten a guy that tooled Iron Fist via skill alone.

I also can't even remember the last time I've seen the arctic vibranium claws on panel.

Wait a minute, you post scans of him dodging bullets from humans, I post scans of BP dodging superhumans, beast said BP is agile as he is, yet its not better then james. 😐

Wolverine even said himself, "Panther is fast" on two seperate occasions....... 😕

Im lost.

And Panther has just beat Cap in a sparring match, could wolverine do this

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r56/Cypher69/Black%20Panther24/blz20.jpg

Or this, catching caps shield off multiple walls and still manages to knock cap on his ass....

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r56/Cypher69/BP24/08.jpg
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r56/Cypher69/BP24/09.jpg
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r56/Cypher69/BP24/10.jpg

Originally posted by Apolloknight
Wait a minute, you post scans of him dodging bullets from humans, I post scans of BP dodging superhumans, beast said BP is agile as he is, yet its not better then james. 😐

Wolverine even said himself, "Panther is fast" on two seperate occasions....... 😕

Im lost.

And Panther has just beat Cap in a sparring match, could wolverine do this

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r56/Cypher69/Black%20Panther24/blz20.jpg

Or this, catching caps shield off multiple walls and still manages to knock cap on his ass....

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r56/Cypher69/BP24/08.jpg
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r56/Cypher69/BP24/09.jpg
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r56/Cypher69/BP24/10.jpg

Captain America has kept up with beast in agility, and Beast has even acknowledged that Cap is nearly as agile as he is. And Cap's peak human - Wolverine's agility has, too, been enhanced.

Also, if you're gonna post a fight - post the rest. Where it's admitted that Cap was holding tons back, and was even injured before hand, if I recall correctly. That fight means nothing.

Originally posted by Soljer

(who is usually regarded as equal to Iron Fist - you know, the guy that knocked panther the **** out?). And he's also beaten a guy that tooled Iron Fist via skill alone.

Did you see the first 8 scans of the Iron fist fight, oh no, your one of those that go by only the last scans and care not the stipulations of that fight.

So sad.

Edit here is my post from the BP vs IF thread

Here, I will post the entire fight, because the uniformed logic on this forum is killing me.

Both Panther and Iron fist are being mind controlled to kill one-another, although Panther is struggling to fight it, and eventually breaks it, (thanks to the panther god). Iron fist however is trying to kill him, no if ands or buts, he wants to kill panther. Not fighting the mind controlling at all.

In these first two scans, Panther evades a salvo of Iron fist attacks with ease, WITH FREAKING EASE, WHILE UNDERWATER
Remember, Iron fist every attack is his amped up Super Strong/Fast "Iron Fist" attack. And panther could probably drink tea he is so much faster then it.

http://img56.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vsfist.jpg
http://img67.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vsfist2.jpg

Here is where the fight should end, but remember, panther is fighting the mind controlling.

He could, have easily, slit his neck with his claws, KO'ed him with energy daggers, snapped his neck, cut off his head, etc etc, but, T'challa, fighting the mind controlling, does, not, instead, he opts to distance himself. Remember, he gets close, while Iron fist is attacking, underwater, and grapples him with his legs.

On this forum, going by the rules, the fight end here, 10/10 in favor of panther, but we will continue.

http://img64.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vsfist3.jpg

Here, Iron fist trys to hit him with a car, panther evades and rolls through a bus, where Iron fist, (Very nice speed feat for IF) is waiting on the other side.

http://img66.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vsfist4.jpg
http://img54.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vsfist5.jpg

The next scans shows panther landing some more hits, no PIS/CIS going by forum rules, and those palm strikes become claw swipes, IF DEAD again, hell he even manages to put a trash can over IF, but for some reason people doubt BP speed and agility, why people believe he is not one of, if not thee fastest streetlever around is beyond me. Also panther discovers the chip, and realizes IF must have one also, why else would his good friend be fighting him.

http://img55.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img5...age=vsfist6.jpg
http://img56.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vsfist7.jpg

So before IF can get out of the dumpster, he disappears, again, and sneaks Danny attempting the hit the radio, he misses, but danny does however search where the chip is, (but it does not come off).

Also, once again going by forum rules, IF is dead right here, why not sneak on danny with a claw swipe, or an energy dagger set to kill.

http://img64.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vsfist8.jpg

I believe this is why so many people think IF>T'challa, here IF does get some hits in and Shred's Panthers suit, It should be noted however, IF is still trying to kill Panther, Panther has already fought and got the chip off of him, he no longer is out to fight IF any longer. But these scans are what people go by.

I'm starting to think a few people just don't wanna give panther his props.

http://img66.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vsfist9.jpg
http://img56.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vsfist10.jpg

Finally even after all that punishment panther took, look who falls first, (be if from the strikes panther gave him, exhaustion from the "Iron fist" attack, or the chip or a combination of all three who knows) All I know is when panther took the chip off himself, he didn't pass out.

http://img53.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vsfist11.jpg

Faster=Panther
Agile=Panther
Stronger=Iron Fist (via chi, out side of that, Panther)
Smarter=Panther (this includes battle and science smarts)
Durability=Panther
Stamina=Panther He fought killmonger for 13 hours straight, plus if Iron fist uses his attack, he will go down even quicker. Plus panther can evade it with eaaaassee (Proven)
Skill=Panther

So, how does danny stomp panther again

Originally posted by Apolloknight
Did you see the first 8 scans of the Iron fist fight, oh no, your one of those that go by only the last scans and care not the stipulations of that fight.

So sad.

I've read the fight. I own the issue.

Don't you get off pretending like you're better than me. 🙄

Originally posted by Soljer
I've read the fight. I own the issue.

Don't you get off pretending like you're better than me. 🙄

So why do you think IF greater then BP? BP could of tooled IF and you know it.....If you actually read the comic.

Originally posted by Apolloknight
So why do you think IF greater then BP? BP could of tooled IF and you know it.....If you actually read the comic.

....

No. I bought it for the UPC. 🤨