Originally posted by BUSTER1
Spidey may be back down to Classic power levels, with 10strength, but he would still be too much for Kingpin. Marvels offical line is that Spidey always held back when fighting Kingpin because he feared his full strength would kil Fisk
true... an angry SM cant hit really hard.
Originally posted by BUSTER1
One thing that didn't help Spiderman's reputation as a fighter were 2 stories from the 1970's, both written by the same writer, Len Wein.The first one was in Amazing Spiderman #162 when Spiderman is beaten up and knocked out by two, yes TWO, common thugs who were in Jigsaw's gang. From the rooftop Spiderman sees someone, lying unconscious or dead, in an alley. He goes down to help only for the "dead" man to pull a gun on him, as this is one of Jigsaw's thugs. Obviously Pete's spider sense was temporarily off, or else it would've warned him he was walking into a trap. I say temporarily as it goes off to warn him that thug1's partner is about to attack him from behind. Unfortunately with the return of his spider sense, Pete has lost his super reflexes and can't avoid being smashed in the skull by the large wrench that that thug2 is wielding. Thug2 gets in another hit and then thug1 finishes this one sided stomp with a high kick to Spiderman's head.
The second fight was against a bloke calledf the Hitman, in Amazing Spiderman #174. Hitman fought alongside the Punisher in the Vietnam war and was presumably the same level as Punisher, physically. When Hitman fough Spiderman, Spidey gets in the first punch (the arm he throws the punch with was injured by a bullet wound in the previous issue) which has no effect, as Hitman immediately repsonds with a left hand uppercut that knocks Spiderman backwards, setting him up for a double fist smash on the back of his neck, which puts him on the floor, with his head spinning. The excuse was that Spiderman's injured arm threw him off and gave Hitman the edge.
I don't know how Len Wein got away with such poor portrayals of Spiderman's fighting prowess. The above incedents are PIS on steroids. Going by Spiderman's consistent showings, in the 1st scenario his spidersense warns him of the danger posed by thug1 long before he pulls his gun, and he webs it up as thug 1 is pulling it out. As thug2 creeps up behind him, Spidey easily doges his attack and punches him out then webs the the two up.
I don't think its worth me describing how the fight with Hitman should've gone. Common sense dictates that in a fist fight between a normal man with at most, olympic level strength and reflexes, and a man who can lift cars and effortlessly dodge automatic gunfire, the normal fella gets crushed. Hitman beating Spiderman is like me beating up one of the Klitschko brothers.
Sometimes PIS and CIS is so much mixed up, so it's impossible to draw the line. Like, Spider-Man losing to Captain America because he holds back too much and respects Cap, so he prefer to lose than actually fight. Yet it still looks like a huge load of PIS and jobber aura of Cap.
Originally posted by BUSTER1
Spidey may be back down to Classic power levels, with 10strength, but he would still be too much for Kingpin. Marvels offical line is that Spidey always held back when fighting Kingpin because he feared his full strength would kil Fisk
I don’t understand comicbook writers and their need to weaken superpowered characters.
This happened with Superman back in the day too. And I suspect they’re doing this to Spider-Man for the same reason.
Originally posted by Mr. Jogga
I don’t understand comicbook writers and their need to weaken superpowered characters.This happened with Superman back in the day too. And I suspect they’re doing this to Spider-Man for the same reason.
Because it's comics and Stan Lee himself answered of the question "Who would win in a fight between 2 characters in comics"? Stan Lee said than writers decide it and made an example - if he writers a story where Thing and Spider-Man fights, only he can decidedl the winner. If he wants Thing to win - therefore Thing wins. And vise versa with Spider-Man.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
That and the fact that comic book humans - even the ones with no official augmentations to speak of - can be blatantly superhuman and perform such feats on the regular basis.Fisk is one of those. He's been written like that since the beginning and even in the modern era, he's still kicking ass.
Even "Death Battle" has noticed in the episode "Black Canary vs Sindel" than so-called "peak humans" in comics can perofm feats which is impossible for real lifehumans, no metter how hard they're trained. 🥷
And some people really belives than Mike Tyson can beat Batman, lol, especially in a boxing match. I am not joking, ComicVine has some threads in this style. 😆
It’s been a thing since before Batman. Sherlock Holmes randomly uncurling bent iron bars, and Doc Savage’s entire existence are a testament that so called “normal humans” is just a facade in a fictional story.
Guys like Batman and Nightwing can die by a bullet shot to the brain, but they can also hop on a freaking rocket with almost zero repercussion. Its even worse in animation where characters like Black Canary and Batman can Judo flip blatantly superhuman characters like Superboy and Kalibak.
Originally posted by Mr. Joggadon't think about it new poster, just enjoy.
It’s been a thing since before Batman. Sherlock Holmes randomly uncurling bent iron bars, and Doc Savage’s entire existence are a testament that so called “normal humans” is just a facade in a fictional story.Guys like Batman and Nightwing can die by a bullet shot to the brain, but they can also hop on a freaking rocket with almost zero repercussion. Its even worse in animation where characters like Black Canary and Batman can Judo flip blatantly superhuman characters like Superboy and Kalibak.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Nightwing got shot in the head... survived and even fully recovered from the amnesia.
Captain America too. Headshotted right through in his head, but after some treatment he is completely fine and has full memories. Although it still can be explained via healing factor that Cap has via serum, but still.
Originally posted by Mr. Jogga
It’s been a thing since before Batman. Sherlock Holmes randomly uncurling bent iron bars, and Doc Savage’s entire existence are a testament that so called “normal humans” is just a facade in a fictional story.Guys like Batman and Nightwing can die by a bullet shot to the brain, but they can also hop on a freaking rocket with almost zero repercussion. Its even worse in animation where characters like Black Canary and Batman can Judo flip blatantly superhuman characters like Superboy and Kalibak.
Karate Kid who can fight on par and even damage Kryptonians because he's just good with martial arts. Or Black Canary judo-tossing Black Adam while laughing about his powers, like "I know that you're powerful enough to give Superman troubles, but how about this?!"