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Cortosis /= Orbalisks.
Mandalorian Iron /= Orbalisks.
Sith Alchemy /= Orbalisks.To put simply, just because you've pointed out how other materials are fallible, that in no way means that orbalisks must be as well. We have a source directly stating that the orbalisks are immune to the cutting power of a lightsaber, and nothing contradicts that.
2. To affect Bane's armour, they'll have to break through his force shield first, and Mace certainly won't be doing that.
BTW Sexy, don't think I've forgotten about:
Originally posted by Darth Sexy
By who, you? Please, you've yet to own anybody on this forum and you sure as hell aren't about to start.Gee, lets pick out the stupidity here..
1. Sidious was dominating the 3 B level Jedi never Mace. This was confirmed later by Lucas who said you'd have to be either Yoda or the Mace to defeat the Emperor. Your entire argument goes to shit here but I'll continue.
2. Lucas confirmed Mace overpowering Sidious. I'm sure Sidious underestimated Mace the way Yoda underestimated Sidious but no matter, Mace used his shatterpoint and vaapad abilities to turn the darkside against Sidious.Much better? From whose perspective? Better as in him trying to run away from Yoda, or better as in him trying to gain the higher ground when he realized he had to fight Yoda? I didn't see him run away from Mace. Not to mention Yoda did NOT have Vaapad and shatterpoint, where Mace did.
Your right, his foresight was so good that he didn't see Vader turn on him and throw him down the shaft. His foresight was so good that he couldn't see Yoda surviving Order 66. I guess you forgot his surprised expression. His foresight was almost unmatched, but that doesn't make it flawless.
No, it's not, because Mace overpowered him with shatterpoint and Vaapad, and this was confirmed by Lucas in the commentary, so your argument dies again.
It means Mace was a better lightsaber duelist.
Like who? Coming from the one who's been owned in every single debate here, and has never won an argument, you're not exactly a good judge on who's intelligent and you lack any credibility to continue typing after this pwnage.
Again, says the one who's been pwned in virtually every argument. How do you deal with your denial exactly? Alcohol? Anti Depressants? canon is canon means just that. That doesn't mean "If I don't believe it, it's not canon".
No, he knows almost every move Kas'im knows because Kas'im trained him. This argument has been destroyed a million times with the Obiwan vs. Anakin example. Keep trying though.
You tell me, in your 6 times getting banned and few months on this forum, you haven't won a single argument.
I could continue but this pwnage should be enough for you. Go back to the drawing board Noobaris, or take your antidepressants so you can postpone living in reality.
You are about to get owned, just thought I'd give you a heads up.
I caught Lightsnake out on that lie ages ago, it says nothing of the sort.And I've posted my quote plenty of times:
Furthermore, the venom they inject into their host-provided he survives-grants the victim enhanced strength, vitality, and accelerated healing, as well as an armored covering that is perfectly resistant to lightsabers.
They're actually pretty even, not that it matters, as your quote is a lie.
Then post what it says in the saber section in the Ultimate Guide to Weapons and Tech, prove to me the quotes wrong. I provided the info its on you to prove it wrong.
Oh my fricking days, how do you still not get this? It can defend against the cutting power of a lightsaber, which is beyond anything else in that regard. I posted the bird claw example to show how the effect isn't just solely against energy. If you still don't get this, you're dumb.
No shit Sherlock, but what you still fail to get is that sure it may be able to stop some bird on Dxun, but does that mean it can stop Mace Windu? No. Since it doesn't specifically say in any sourcebook that it can stop all forms of physical attacks, blocking a bird does =/= Mace Windu.
So basically you can't, right? My argument wasn't destroyed once, and I've been owning all of them for five pages, but nice tactics, because we both know that you can't ever make an argument for Mace being more powerful than Bane. You're a perpetual prick.
Considering:
A. You've never won a debate against this forum let alone me, I'd probably win if I choose to get involved.
B. Your in denial, you haven't owned anything.
C. I have a life, and I can't be bothered with every single debate on this forum, moreover I find debating you EXTREMELY boring and uninteresting since you know...I always win.
Then post what it says in the saber section in the Ultimate Guide to Weapons and Tech, prove to me the quotes wrong. I provided the info its on you to prove it wrong.
1. By your logic, I can just make up a quote from any random source, and it would be your job to prove that the quote is wrong. See the error in your ways?
2. 'A blade of pure energy, the lightsaber can cut through most materials, except another lightsaber blade and a handful of special alloys such as cortosis' - TNEGtWaT, PG 43.
LiarSnake lies, get used to it.
No shit Sherlock, but what you still fail to get is that sure it may be able to stop some bird on Dxun, but does that mean it can stop Mace Windu? No. Since it doesn't specifically say in any sourcebook that it can stop all forms of physical attacks, blocking a bird does =/= Mace Windu.
Wow, you still don't get the point. The armour is strong enough to completely resist the cutting power of a lightsaber, and not due to the energy nature of the blade, but due to the nature of the orbalisks, they're pretty much indestructible. Nothing can break away another material like a lightsaber can, and seeing as:
1. The orbalisks are completely immune to it.
2. The orbalisks possess that property when up against any material, energy based or not,
unless you want to argue that Mace's fists can cut through something better than a lightsaber, your point is moot.
Considering:A. You've never won a debate against this forum let alone me, I'd probably win if I choose to get involved.
B. Your in denial, you haven't owned anything.
AC, your shit is actually becoming as whack as Darth Fricking Sexy. Seriously dog, keep it together, you're not that lame.
C. I have a life,
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Oh, you were being serious?
and I can't be bothered with every single debate on this forum,
And yet you're involved in pretty much every current debate there is right now...
moreover I find debating you EXTREMELY boring and uninteresting
Yet I'm probably the person you debate against most... Right, sure thing.
since you know...I always win.
IIRC, you backed out of our last major argument, and reformed your stance. Yeah, I make it a policy not to reply against people who can't be arsed to do the same, so don't get it twisted, I was winning. I'm winning now, so unlucky big guy.
Oh and Sexy, it's coming. Prepare yourself.
2. To affect Bane's armour, they'll have to break through his force shield first, and Mace certainly won't be doing that.
First post on the page. It's the same reason why Mace can't simply use the force to push Bane's saber away, or turn off the on/off button; Mace has to break through Bane's force defences to affect his equipment.
why is it assumed that every jedi/sith in a fight automatically has a force field up like a fcuking Drodieka or something? If you focus on a certain object, in this case an orbalisk, then thats what you're affecting. If people just ran around with a shield up all the time, they'd never lose, anyone...there would be no point in fighting...
I backed out? Of what? I beat you in EVERY debate we've EVER had, unless you count being right about a sourcebook I don't even own a really victory(you probably do). If your referring to the Vader argument, I used your own ridicules logic against you thus voiding your argument.
This is hardly me making an argument, I merely picked out something I thought was wrong.
And I'm wrong cause I went by what anther user said, big whoop, as said these forums don't mean much to me so I can admit when I'm wrong, unlike you who's image of "retarded Bane fanboy" is too hard to give up.
As for Mace, weren't you the one arguing that:
A lightsaber is weightless; it can't generate impact power, and its only true power is its cutting power. Quite frankly, repeatedly bashing Bane's orbalisks with a piece of string would do a better job at wearing them away than a lightsaber could.
And no genius I wouldn't argue that Mace's "fists" can "cut" I'd argue that they could "break" through with enough pounding.
Again, its not like it matters one bit since Mace is: easily the better duelist, has a style Bane's never seen before(and we know what that means: Banes gonna shit his pants and run) has a force ability that allows him to find any weakness, has a style that forces all Banes rage, and dark side energy back in his face. Can break durasteel with light punches. Really, Bane is completely outmatched, hell most Dark Side users are outmatched by Mace Windu.
What I find funny though is you put smilies up when I say "I have a life." and yet your here all day everyday, you can't be anymore then 16, you've been banned what like 5 times now and yet you love this forum so much that you keep coming back under anther stupid name. Really man, get a life.
Originally posted by allfg
[B]1. By your logic, I can just make up a quote from any random source, and it would be your job to prove that the quote is wrong. See the error in your ways?2. 'A blade of pure energy, the lightsaber can cut through most materials, except another lightsaber blade and a handful of special alloys such as cortosis' - TNEGtWaT, PG 43.
LiarSnake lies, get used to it.
Wow, you still don't get the point. The armour is strong enough to completely resist the cutting power of a lightsaber, and not due to the energy nature of the blade, but due to the nature of the orbalisks, they're pretty much indestructible. Nothing can break away another material like a lightsaber can, and seeing as:
1. The orbalisks are completely immune to it
2. The orbalisks possess that property when up against any material, energy based or not,
unless you want to argue that Mace's fists can cut through something better than a lightsaber, your point is moot.
Okay, allfg, the bird argument sucks. For it to make any sense at all, the bird would need to be able to punch through durasteel, or shatter a crystal. Because an orbalisk wasn't broken by talons doesn't mean that it is completely invulnerable to physical damage.
Okay, I have a decent example: A cockroach can withstand radiation, but, can it take a punch, even if the radiation would typically be more harmful? No. The types of damage are completely independant of each other, and I doubt that an orbalisk is physically harder than a crystal (it could be, and it still wouldn't matter).
Also, Bane could still find a shatterpoint while Bane has the armor on. For example, if he hits Bane in the knee it could twist ligements, split his femur, and pop his hip out of socket, while he still has the orbalisks on.
For the last fricking time, the only reason I brought that up was to show that solid material has the same null effect on orbalisk armour that energy based material does. Now seeing as the orbalisks are immune to the cutting power of the lightsaber (and nothing can replicate that power, whether its cutting power, or kinetic power), and given that the orbalisks possess the same defence when up against solid material as it does when up against pure energy, it's ridiculous to assume that anything can break through them. The main premise behind the orbalisk armour was that it was indestructible, whether it be from the cutting power of a lightsaber, or the kinetic power produced by a Giant Bird's claws. To argue that Mace will punch through them is ridiculous, especially when considering that the CW cartoons are basically not canon, and the fact that nobody here can prove that punching through durasteel was a testament to Mace's shatterpoint ability or his physical strength. And to assume that he'd even get a hit on the superior Bane is plain asinine.
And in response to your last point, the orbalisks heal wounds near instantaneously.
If you are so sure of Orbelisk being so effective against a lightsaber attack I am sure you don't mind to post in what comic the armor withstood a attack from a lightsaber.
Further more all Mace needs to take advantage of shatterpoint is near uncounteble, if he can with but a tap destroy a diamond then a full hit from a fist that can punch through durasteel should be enough to take advantage of a minimal shatterpoint.
Originally posted by allfg
For the last fricking time, the only reason I brought that up was to show that solid material has the same null effect on orbalisk armour that energy based material does.
Originally posted by allfgNowhere has it said that orbalisks are 100% immune to lightsaber attakcs. Everything I've ever read about them, it always says "virtually" or "almost". neither of which imply totally immune.
Now seeing as the orbalisks are immune to the cutting power of the lightsaber (and nothing can replicate that power, whether its cutting power, or kinetic power), and given that the orbalisks possess the same defence when up against solid material as it does when up against pure energy, it's ridiculous to assume that anything can break through them.
Originally posted by allfgThey're not completely indestructible. You would have to prove that a bird's claw has the same power and force has Mace's punch, thusly not ridiculous. CW cartoons are canon, if not more canon that a book, and it doesn't matter if its due to his shatterpoint or just his strength...the fact is, he punched through something that no one else could and would do the same to Bane. How do you figure that Bane is superior to Mace? What is he superior cause he "pulled a moon out of orbit"? As you have said many times before, that feat means dick when in a dueling situation.
The main premise behind the orbalisk armour was that it was indestructible, whether it be from the cutting power of a lightsaber, or the kinetic power produced by a Giant Bird's claws. To argue that Mace will punch through them is ridiculous, especially when considering that the CW cartoons are basically not canon, and the fact that nobody here can prove that punching through durasteel was a testament to Mace's shatterpoint ability or his physical strength. And to assume that he'd even get a hit on the superior Bane is plain asinine.
Originally posted by allfgOK, let me ask you, is Bane alive? No, he died right? Well for whatever the reason that killed him, the orbalisks didn't save him there. I don't know how he died and i really don't care, but that fact is, you seem to be implying that because you think that orbalisks are indestructible, that Bane is invincible, which is clearly not the case.
And in response to your last point, the orbalisks heal wounds near instantaneously.
Okay, be quiet with the bird thing. It shows that orbalisks have a degree of resistance to physical attacks, just like any crustacean, not that it is harder than durasteel or mandalorian armor or anything of the sort (and certainly not diamonds). Got it?
Example: You're wearing a lightly padded electricity resistant suit, and you fall in a tank with an electric eel. The suit saves you from the electricity, and you climb out of the tank unharmed. Your friend then runs over to you, sees that you're okay, and pats you on the back. His patting you on the back didn't phase you much, due to the light padding and the weakness of the hit, so does that mean that the suit is just as efficient against physical damage as it is against electricity? No, not by a long shot. The degree of danger between the electricity (the lightsaber), and the patting (the birds claws) are not even comparable.
Now, there is also the fact that lightsabers have (for whatever reason) transfered kinetic energy, meaning, they hit you with physical force too, depending on how hard you swing, along with their damage from energy.
Now, take the eel example, and have it swim into you as it shocks you. The physical damage is there, it is just easily negatable thanks to the light padding (the physical damage a lightsaber does can be blocked by orbalisks because they are hard, and lightsabers aren't typically swung with enough strength to do more than just distribute the physical force over the body, and you just feet a sleight impact).
Now, this is what it's like against Mace Windu:
You go back to the aquarium or wherever it is that you and your friend get dressed up and play with eels. The same thing happens, and you fall in the tank. You see the eel, but, this is a new eel. It is 25 feet long and a very fast swimmer. It bolts at you, lightning fast, and unleashes its electricity. Thanks to your suit, you're fine, but, this one also rams into you... fast and hard with a lot of force (to account for Mace's Durasteel-wrecking, diamond-shattering strength) in the crotch (to replicate a shatterpoint on a smaller scale), and you're down for the count. The electricity did no damage, but, the physical force had you throwing up and then blacking out.
So while the padded suit (Bane's armor) will protect you against all sorts of electricity (lightsaber energy), and against pats on the shoulder (an average lightsaber hit), you will be royally dicked when a huge eel comes at your crotch with pelvis shattering speed.
There is also the fact that Orbalisks have never been tested against repeated lightsaber attacks, and other substances that have been described as lightsaber resistant ended up not staying that way, like cortosis and mandalorian iron (your suit might nobe so effective if the eel shoots out a few charges of electricity).
Need anything cleared up? If you do, I'll try again.
False analogy, logical fallacy. The very property of the orbalisks that defended against the lightsaber defended against the giant bird's claws as well. This is not the case in your analogy, the reason the suit remained unphased isn't because of the very same property that defended against the electricity, but because of the lack of force produced by the pat on the back.
Need anything cleared up? If you do, I'll try again (doesn't it suck when you attempt to patronise someone, and fail?).