Originally posted by TricksterPriest
.............DAMN. I had no idea Spidey was that tough. 😑 Red might have a good fight on his hands.......
Exactly. That's been my argument all along.
In fact, I may have even subconsciously persuaded myself that this could be a 50/50 match, given the stipulations.
Spidey could dodge Red all day long, but putting Red down would be the most difficult thing. At the very most, Red could win 5.5-6/10.
Originally posted by masterbruce
I'm sure that was very hard for you to persuade yourself that Spiderman had a good shot of winning. 😉 😛
Not that I have to explain myself to you, but it was actually. I've been trying to think of a way that Spidey could combat Red's superior durability. And now, after doing some research, I've found it. Given the stipulations of this match, other than durability, Red's pretty much got nothing to bring to the table in this fight.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
Sure. Against a top-tier CLEAN SHOT, I'd agree. However, very, very, very few opponents can get a clean shot on Spidey. And even the ones that do still don't put him down.He's taken shots from Venom, Carnage, Rhino (class 75), Morlun, Hulk, etc., etc.
Red's nowhere near the strength to really damage Spidey enough to slow him down. The carbonadium-laced fists won't really contribute to the strength either, they just make his hands not able to break on hitting Spidey. Even Scorpion (stronger than Spidey) has greatly hurt his hands while punching a weaker Spider-Man. Spidey's own durability is highly underrated.
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It's interesting how, when it suits you, the handbooks are your preferred evidence for debating. Spider-Man has been 15 tons for a number of years now. With his recent upgrade from "The Other", it's pretty obvious that his strength has been increased.
Hell, even before "The Other", Spidey has been lifting way more than 10-15 tons. To deny it is to deny the truth.
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-This would require loads of strengthhttp://img61.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spideyliftstrain15mmhi5.jpg
-Not underestimating Omega at all, I just can't see Red being able to lift something like this.http://img520.imageshack.us/my.php?image=36511cy.gif
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-Could Red do that? I HIGHLY doubt it.http://img317.imageshack.us/my.php?image=r6r7xa5qq.jpg
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-Knocking out Bulldozer with one punch. Even Absorbing Man is worried. Speaking of AM...http://img352.imageshack.us/img352/8725/15ej1.jpg
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you want to know something, not trying to be a smart or anything but your postings was pointless. Omega red has never been in a predicument to do anything like that. Hes not a hero and he doesnt rely on his strength, he relies on his power. Everything that you showed me was in the strength range of a 15 tonner, I dont think that spiderman couldnt lift those things, wolverine lift a got darn elevator with people in it and spiderman is stronger than him. Show me spiderman taking colossus strength level punches and bouncing back up like omega red does then we can talk. Oh and by the way that scorpion pic that you showed wasnt the scorpion now, that was a much weaker version. I bet you spidey cant take one of his punches now. For spidey to be able to take one of omega red or any other person with super strength, he had a hard time taking punches from captain america. He also got knocked the f*** out by silver samarai. For him to be taking super strong punches, why in the hell did he get koed by king pin numerous of times. Do you think that king pin can koe omega red also. Dont see it happening.
Spidey have no way of beating omega red on his best day and omega red can tag spiderman just like everyone else has. If hulk can grab him by the head and almost kill him then omega red should be able to hit him with no problem. Even the flash get hit. Im not saying that spiderman wont get any licks because he will but they would be pointless and wouldnt get him anywhere.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
Not that I have to explain myself to you, but it was actually. I've been trying to think of a way that Spidey could combat Red's superior durability. And now, after doing some research, I've found it. Given the stipulations of this match, other than durability, Red's pretty much got nothing to bring to the table in this fight.
Well can you please keep wondering because your post didnt do anything to convince me. Oh and by the way spiderman recently got knocked the hell out by a dude in a frog suit. A normal human in a frog suit. 😆
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
We REALLY need an Omega Red respect thread.
Please make one but I dont have a scanner but it would be nice because he have some nice feats. I have barely ever seen someone fight this guy one on one, most of the time it usually takes a team to take him down and I dont consider spiderman a team of mutants.
Originally posted by carver9
you want to know something, not trying to be a smart or anything but your postings was pointless. Omega red has never been in a predicument to do anything like that. Hes not a hero and he doesnt rely on his strength, he relies on his power. Everything that you showed me was in the strength range of a 15 tonner, I dont think that spiderman couldnt lift those things, wolverine lift a got darn elevator with people in it and spiderman is stronger than him. Show me spiderman taking colossus strength level punches and bouncing back up like omega red does then we can talk. Oh and by the way that scorpion pic that you showed wasnt the scorpion now, that was a much weaker version. I bet you spidey cant take one of his punches now. For spidey to be able to take one of omega red or any other person with super strength, he had a hard time taking punches from captain america. He also got knocked the f*** out by silver samarai. For him to be taking super strong punches, why in the hell did he get koed by king pin numerous of times. Do you think that king pin can koe omega red also. Dont see it happening.Spidey have no way of beating omega red on his best day and omega red can tag spiderman just like everyone else has. If hulk can grab him by the head and almost kill him then omega red should be able to hit him with no problem. Even the flash get hit. Im not saying that spiderman wont get any licks because he will but they would be pointless and wouldnt get him anywhere.
Eh. Whatever. It's cool. We're all entitled our own opinions, regardless of how skewed they are. I've stated my peace, and if it didn't convince you, then that's your call.
Just a few things to point out though:
At the time, Scorpion was several tons stronger than Spider-Man. So regardless of its age, it doesn't change the fact that a stronger opponent was hurting himself against Spider-Man's durability.
Whenever Spidey does get hit by strong opponent, he's usually always right back up again. He's taken super-strong shots from Morlun and gotten back up almost immediately to fight some more.
And I know that Red has other powers. But, as you can clearly see, he limited to his strength, fighting skills, durability, healing factor, and coils. No death factor or death spores. Because of that, he bring nothing to the table that Spidey hasn't already dealt with before in the past. He's not stronger/faster/more agile/etc. than Spider-Man. Coils aren't a new thing either, as Spidey's been dodging Ock for over fourty years now. 😬
Wow. Gone for a bit and you guys take off with the thread. Sweet. I love when Omega Red gets attention. TricksterPriest, i would have been made a respect thread for Omega Red, but he doesnt have that many appearances.🙁
Now to add to the thread, i dont know why strength is being brought up. Spidey clearly and easily has the strength advantage over Red. HOWEVER, if Red grabs him, its all over. Red can also use the tentacles as a stabbing weapon. Also, les not forget about their speed. Hes defelected bullets with them as well as caught a running Nightcrawler(although i dont know how fast he runs).
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
I know. 🙁 But he is a kickass character. I'm gonna start on a respect thread right now.Do you have a list of his appearences? Because I have a website with pretty much every Xmen book in existence.
Just so you know, your respect thread wouldnt be to long. Secondly, hes a villain so his battle feats are kinda limited. Kinda. Ill try and get you a list of all his appearances.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
Eh. Whatever. It's cool. We're all entitled our own opinions, regardless of how skewed they are. I've stated my peace, and if it didn't convince you, then that's your call.Just a few things to point out though:
At the time, Scorpion was several tons stronger than Spider-Man. So regardless of its age, it doesn't change the fact that a stronger opponent was hurting himself against Spider-Man's durability.
Whenever Spidey does get hit by strong opponent, he's usually always right back up again. He's taken super-strong shots from Morlun and gotten back up almost immediately to fight some more.
And I know that Red has other powers. But, as you can clearly see, he limited to his strength, fighting skills, durability, healing factor, and coils. No death factor or death spores. Because of that, he bring nothing to the table that Spidey hasn't already dealt with before in the past. He's not stronger/faster/more agile/etc. than Spider-Man. Coils aren't a new thing either, as Spidey's been dodging Ock for over fourty years now. 😬
You know even though you always vote against wolverine or anything that has something to do with wolverine, I can tell that your a cool level headed person and I respect that. You dont get out of hand calling people names like others or curse people out, youre cool. Back to the battle. Recently you havent witness spiderman dodging everyone hits. Every opponent that he fight (majority of them isnt even in wolverine agility or speed range) they tag him quite often and rather easily. Spiderman aint superman, so he dont just stand there to get hit on purpose.
Originally posted by carver9
You know even though you always vote against wolverine or anything that has something to do with wolverine, I can tell that your a cool level headed person and I respect that. You dont get out of hand calling people names like others or curse people out, youre cool. Back to the battle. Recently you havent witness spiderman dodging everyone hits. Every opponent that he fight (majority of them isnt even in wolverine agility or speed range) they tag him quite often and rather easily. Spiderman aint superman, so he dont just stand there to get hit on purpose.
Where have you been over the past week or so when I've voted FOR Wolverine to win in a number of threads? For the life of me, I can't remember which ones those were now. But still, I remember doing it. I only vote against Wolverine when I think he loses. I don't do it unjustly. I only vote for Spider-Man when I think he wins. I've voted MANY times for Spider-Man to lose as well. Storm vs. Spider-Man comes to mind as the most recent one.
And Spidey HAS done it a couple of times:
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-Spidey almost assuredly did not even get damaged by that. That blow, yes even that blow, would've made even Wolverine's nose bleed or cheek bruise for a second or two before it healed.
And OF COURSE Spidey isn't going to dodge everyone all the time. That'd be rather boring. Just like a one-page Flash comic--that's all the time it would take the Flash to save the day. But when you take even the average of all his dodging ability, it shows that he could easily evade someone like Red all day long with little effort.
