Just how powerful was Solaris?

Originally posted by Board Walker
Alright then.

His greatest feat then would be that he was able to defeat the entire Dynasty of Superman.

The dynasty of superman had infinite soldiers all of Superman 1 millions status or greater (or lesser, around there).

And they were ants compared to Solaris.

I suppose that counts for some thing.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
It does seem that SUperman prime if I'm not mistaken, powers all of the other superman. ALl of thier powers comes from him. The Superman all seemed pretty uber. Each far surpassing the current Superman. For like 800 centuries. That's a lot of power. so for solaris to even be a threat, he would have to be at least as powerful as a nearly full power Big G. For him to be any less doesn't make sense as Superman prime's power is too rediculous for him to be anything less.

I'd guage his power at nearly enough to survive a Shield Throw from Captain America.

Nearly. Which is impressive.

Galactus' blast in Annihilation was big enough to take out multiple star systems at the same time. That's a faster than light speed blast that covers anywhere in the area of 20 - 30 light years diameter. That one attack alone would have taken out most of the 1 M heroes of that time.

That was from a Galactus who had been in the starving stage for a while no less. Thus the statement holds true; roughly equal to a hungry Galactus, not a starving Galactus (example the one that came to Earth several times, Marvel obviously didn't want to kill off it's entire comic line).

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Reading the JLA 1m respec thread is an eye opener.

Originally posted by Galan007
In a good way I hope 😮

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Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
It does seem that SUperman prime if I'm not mistaken, powers all of the other superman. ALl of thier powers comes from him. The Superman all seemed pretty uber. Each far surpassing the current Superman. For like 800 centuries. That's a lot of power. so for solaris to even be a threat, he would have to be at least as powerful as a nearly full power Big G. For him to be any less doesn't make sense as Superman prime's power is too rediculous for him to be anything less.

Every appearence SMP has ever made is in that thread. Nothing he did would lead me to believe that he is as powerful as a full-powered Galactus.

A hungry or average power Galactus? Maybe.

Full-Power? Hell No.

Lets also keep in mind that SMP more then likely didn't have the 5D powers that S1M or the Dynasty had either.

Originally posted by Kutulu
Galactus' blast in Annihilation was big enough to take out multiple star systems at the same time. That's a faster than light speed blast that covers anywhere in the area of 20 - 30 light years diameter. That one attack alone would have taken out most of the 1 M heroes of that time.

That was from a Galactus who had been in the starving stage for a while no less. Thus the statement holds true; roughly equal to a hungry Galactus, not a starving Galactus (example the one that came to Earth several times, Marvel obviously didn't want to kill off it's entire comic line).

Actually, depending on where in the galaxy you are, a sphere 10 light - years in diamater could have anywhere from 1 or 2 to thousands of star - systems.

Originally posted by Validus
It's in the same book. I believe it's the last story.

well, i'll be damned . . .

i apparently dl'd an incomplete copy! tried again, and voila! there is supes 1M trying to prevent a galaxy from moving with TK!! 😆

he DOES say even he can't bear the weight of the whole galaxy, but that's rather meaningless when weighed against the fact that he tried and seemed to be having at least SOME impact. but it wasn't until titano helped him that he actually stopped the galaxy. 2 guys stopped a whole galaxy. damn, that IS impressive . . .

i KNEW you were good for something, val. 😄

Solaris might be a peer of Galactus, but at what level of power?

Galactus has some insane feats, and he's easily chumped Earth heroes before.

But the problem with him being a popular character, is that he gets the benchmark treatment.

We do know that he can use time manipulation, ala Sphinx fight, and we know he can move galaxies with a thought.

We know he can end universes as well, ala Black Celestial Saga.

We know his fights can destroy countless galaxies, and while hungry, can destroy solar systems in fights and power showings, seen in his fight with Mephisto and in Annihilation.

Dude walks alone in the universe, except for Celestials and their ilk.

A better match for Solaris would be his predecessor, in the Fury, but we know who'd win that fight.

Originally posted by guy222
IMHO, Galactus-level. How was Solaris defeated?

Originally posted by leonidas
for like, the i millionth time, WHERE did this feat ever take place!!!???? as far as i know this is totally a forum propagated myth.

as far as solaris -- i've asked this same question, made a few solaris threads and gauntlet, but fact is no one really seems to know -- or seems to really respond.

by what can we gage his power? well, he battled the superman descendents for 1000s of years, killed loads of them AND loads of versions of the jla. some of the supermen had powers that would put them at thanos-level or above. the imp-supermen must have been pretty crazy-tough . . . the entire jla1M were crazy tough, and most on the forum think they would defeat odin en masse. (NOT something i'm completely convinced of . . .)

and what did solaris do?

basically he was crushing the whole jla1M + the big 7 + . . . well . . . pretty well every OTHER hero in the distant future, all of whom seem to be considerably more powerful than their contempory counterparts . . . all at the same time!! and that included magic based opponents like the future captain marvel. in fact, that climactic battle reminded me a lot of the time in coie where all the heroes made a rush at the weakened anti-monitor.

the only thing that really threatened him in the future was something he had to take a moment to analyze -- the ring. and he would have become immune to THAT as well, and wiped kyle out except kyle's nova attack was 'illogical' to the sun. he caused the star to go nova endangering the life of everyone in the system. it wasn't that the attack was too powerful, or that he couldn't deal with lantern, it was the illogical nature and surprise that beat him. he had defenses against the black hole and had gone nova in the past and suffered no harm. even after kyle's attack he was still alive, though how powerful is unknown. had kyle not surprised it, solaris would have kicked all their areses easily. could prime have beat him? would prime have been killed by the k-nite bullet?? supes 1M had the k-nite weakness so maybe prime did too -- least he didn't eradicate the weakness in his descendents.

all that goes to say . . . 😕

obviously he had massive energy wielding abilities and was able to discover weaknesses in opponents and use those weaknesses. he could seemingly devise defenses against any attack in moments. physical power mattered nothing to him and no one was really able to do much that he couldn't analyze and counter -- except be illogical. if galactus met solaris, maybe HE'D be the one who was drained . . .?

his ability to battle and be on the verge of defeating all these uber-characters clearly seems to say he's at a 'cosmic' level. but just how high is tough to gage but i'd say at least avergage galactus. given the nature of solaris's powers, i wouldn't say galctus's beating him would be at all a certainty.

After reading 3 pages of unstructured arguments this is the first post to have a logical explanation for things. I to would place solaris on a cosmic scale perhaps in Galatus playing field.

Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
It sounds like Superman 1m's greatest ability was the plot hole. Where the crap did Superman Prime get the infinite energy to fuel infinite soldiers while sitting in a freakin' sun for 50 thousand years? And what is these soldiers problem that they can't amass their infinite numbers and unleash infinite energy upon Solaris?

Actually it was stated that prime travelled to the furtherest region of space and upon his return had gained new powers so that might explain how his able to expand energy to the other Superman's.

Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna

And what is these soldiers problem that they can't amass their infinite numbers and unleash infinite energy upon Solaris?

Same reason Galactus always loses to the fantastic four and the likes the almighty $$$$.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
Prime wasted Solaris with his Green Lanter ring.

Let's also remember that the rest of the Superman Dynasty were powerless to stop Solaris.

Originally posted by Supreme being
Actually it was stated that prime travelled to the furtherest region of space and upon his return had gained new powers so that might explain how his able to expand energy to the other Superman's.

Same reason Galactus always loses to the fantastic four and the likes the almighty $$$$.

Originally posted by Supreme being
Actually it was stated that prime travelled to the furtherest region of space and upon his return had gained new powers so that might explain how his able to expand energy to the other Superman's.

In the DCU, the end of space and time is the Source Wall.

So that is apparently where SMP obtained his powers.

Originally posted by Galan007
Superman-Prime amped up the Superman Dynasty's powers beyond "those held by any metahuman ever".

The Dynasty also gained 10 new powers from a marriage to the Queen of the Imps.

And SMP had no problems with Solaris, S1M and the Dynasty before him did.

What?

Are you just as lost as me on that last post, i think his referring to Galactus but awfully confusing post nonetheless

Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
"New powers" is a pretty vague excuse for being able to power infinite soldiers who are as powerful as some claim they are. It's not that range that confuses me, although it does, it's how he's supposed to power infinite soldiers. But there was some kind of trouble handling an artificial sun? Weak.

The Dynasty also gained 10 new powers from a marriage to the Queen of the Imps.

And SMP had no problems with Solaris, S1M and the Dynasty before him did.

Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
So the Supermen were unusually stupid and sometimes kept a weapon that could destroy them, and anything else in the galaxy, or probably the galaxy itself, just behind them in their ship?

Originally posted by Supreme being
Are you just as lost as me on that last post, i think his referring to Galactus but awfully confusing post nonetheless

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