Just how powerful was Solaris?

Originally posted by King Kandy
Well, having cosmic level power (Even Near Galactus level one) is hardly universal power... That's Eternity's gig.

Ok,

I found the appropriate evidence.

Galactus's World Ship does give Universal Control.

"Knowledge is Power ... He understood the impact of Absorbing Knowledge as boundless an Infinity"

"He was neither man or machine, but had become a God"

"He would be free to make Subtle Alterations in the Fabric of Reality"

Apparently these "Subtle Alterations" were Universal:

"The Universe itself, somehow has been Subtly Altered"

When Doom absorbed the World Ship, he had power, Universal in scale.

having power universal in scale doesn't mean that one has complete dominance over the universe. ONly that one can affect the entire universe in some small to even large way. Love and Hate have universal power. But they cannot take the place of eternity.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
having power universal in scale doesn't mean that one has complete dominance over the universe. ONly that one can affect the entire universe in some small to even large way.

Korvac was Altering the Universe.

Universal Control.

Galactus' World Ship = the power to Alter the Universe.

😎

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Love and Hate have universal power. But they cannot take the place of eternity.

Love and Hate only have Universal power concerning those specific emotions.

You can't compare a Concept with a Humanoid being.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Korvac was Altering the Universe.

Universal Control.

😎

Love and Hate only have Universal power concerning those specific emotions.

You can't compare a Concept with a Humanoid being.

That does not compute. Being able to alter the universe is not, I repeat, not taking the place of eternity. It is simply messing with his insides. Too many people have universal might. all of them cannot have the power to replace or supercede eternity's ultimate authority. since eternity pretty much knows all and sees all, he knows any way, that it won't last. It's all part of him. Even when someone alters him. It's still part of the reality that he makes up.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
That does not compute. Being able to alter the universe is not, I repeat, not taking the place of eternity. It is simply messing with his insides. Too many people have universal might. all of them cannot have the power to replace or supercede eternity's ultimate authority. since eternity pretty much knows all and sees all, he knows any way, that it won't last. It's all part of him. Even when someone alters him. It's still part of the reality that he makes up.

Incorrect,

not too many people can Remake the Universe/Eternity.

And no one said anything about replacing Eternity (so why are you repeating yourself?)

If you can Remake the Universe, then you are above Eternity.

In Marvel that's how it is,

if you're speaking for DC,

that's a separate matter I know not about.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Incorrect,

not too many people can Remake the Universe/Eternity.

And no one said anything about replacing Eternity (so why are you repeating yourself?)

If you can Remake the Universe, then you are above Eternity.

In Marvel that's how it is,

if you're speaking for DC,

that's a separate matter I know not about.

SO you think becuz someone can remake parts of reality, as they have never comepletely remade him. That would require a completer rewriting of everything. Like the beyonder could do it. But most people just change somethings about eternity. not all things. And since most beings who have this power you speak of, are part of eternity, how can they be above him? Isn't he everthing that comes from hiM? scarlet witch comes from eternity, so isn't it within his power to tap her power for his own ends?

^Nvr has a very good point.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
SO you think becuz someone can remake parts of reality, as they have never comepletely remade him. That would require a completer rewriting of everything. Like the beyonder could do it. But most people just change somethings about eternity. not all things.

Dude,

why do you always make a statement as though another said it?

Who said "remaking Parts of Reality" = Remaking Eternity?

WHO?

I clearly said,

Remaking the Universe = Above Eternity

Eternity = Universe

If the Universe gets Remade, it's Eternity getting Remade.

(ENTIRELY)

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
But most people just change somethings about eternity. not all things.

WHO are these "Most People?"

Here we go,

making empty claims.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
And since most beings who have this power you speak of, are part of eternity, how can they be above him? Isn't he everthing that comes from hiM? scarlet witch comes from eternity, so isn't it within his power to tap her power for his own ends?

Logically?

Yes.

In Comics?

No.

and yet, even after korvac had absorbed this seemingly 'infinite' energy, the avengers battled him for an entire issue and had him on the ropes. and while korvac himself lost the battle ultimately, the avengers DID harm him and challenge him. that a group of top tier heroes could fight him for so long doesn't say that much about the power he gained.

korvac was tough, he had the ability to alter reality -- as many do -- and was able to hide from the cosmics who didn't know what he'd done and so weren't actually seeking him out. he was literally hiding on earth, biding his time. he bragged that odin couldn't stand up to him, but who knows . . .

universal power can mean a lot of different things.

Originally posted by leonidas
and yet, even after korvac had absorbed this seemingly 'infinite' energy, the avengers battled him for an entire issue and had him on the ropes. and while korvac himself lost the battle ultimately, the avengers DID harm him and challenge him. that a group of top tier heroes could fight him for so long doesn't say that much about the power he gained.

All the so called "omnipotent" beings get owned by Heroes.

That's Comics.

With the exception of Thanos of course, who ultimately enjoys owning himself. 🙂

Originally posted by leonidas
korvac was tough, he had the ability to alter reality -- as many do -- and was able to hide from the cosmics who didn't know what he'd done and so weren't actually seeking him out. he was literally hiding on earth, biding his time. he bragged that odin couldn't stand up to him, but who knows . . .

universal power can mean a lot of different things.

In Korvac's case,

it meant the power to Alter Reality on a Universal Scale

"The Universe itself, somehow has been Subtly Altered"

Originally posted by Mr Master
All the so called "omnipotent" beings get owned by Heroes.

That's Comics.

With the exception of Thanos of course, who ultimately enjoys owning himself. 🙂

In Korvac's case,

it meant the power to Alter Reality on a Universal Scale

"The Universe itself, somehow has been Subtly Altered"

To my knowlege, even korvaks subletly altering the universe would be part of eternity or in his plan. The only one Who I can recall being out of eternities grasp were the watch and maybe the surfer.

Originally posted by Mr Master
All the so called "omnipotent" beings get owned by Heroes.

That's Comics.

With the exception of Thanos of course, who ultimately enjoys owning himself. 🙂

In Korvac's case,

it meant the power to Alter Reality on a Universal Scale

"The Universe itself, somehow has been Subtly Altered"

maybe, but it was a subtle alteration. and of course he was cosmic-level, but not necessarily above galactus or any of the other cosmics. i always had the impression that he somehow diverted attention away from himself, sort of warped things in such a way as no one would really take notice of him. starhawk stood right beside him and couldn't see him because korvac masked his power from the cosmics. starhawk finally got pissed because the avengers were talking to korvac but starhawk couldn't even SEE who they were talking to. that's when he revealed his power, and at the same time he was then no longer able to mask his power from the cosmics. so how universalwas it? 😬

his 'universal' warping appeared rather limited, to answer my own question. so limited that when his powers were used the warping ended.

a nice feat, universal in name i suppose because the warp did seem to extend across the universe to affect the perceptions of the cosmics, but in the end, still just a decent feat.

the keeper (ss + quantum bands) actually did a very similar feat and masked HIS presence from all the cosmics, including eon, from whom mar-vell's awareness stems. and keeper<<galactus.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
To my knowlege, even korvaks subletly altering the universe would be part of eternity or in his plan. The only one Who I can recall being out of eternities grasp were the watch and maybe the surfer.

I wonder why Eternity didn't tap into Korvac's power if it was possible.

Eternity would have avoided this:

I could bomb this page with scenerios of Beings within Eternity Owning Eternity.

But that should be enough.

Originally posted by Mr Master
I wonder why Eternity didn't tap into Korvac's power if it was possible.

Eternity would have avoided this:

I could bomb this page with scenerios of Beings within Eternity Owning Eternity.

But that should be enough.

Unless of course your failing to see my point. Being that Eternity Knows all and is all, even him being owned would be part of his essence. Try and grasp it. let it sink in. you'll get it eventually.

Originally posted by leonidas
maybe, but it was a subtle alteration. and of course he was cosmic-level, but not necessarily above galactus or any of the other cosmics.

Other than the the Celestial Arc,

I've never seen Galactus Alter the Universe.

I've never seen any Conceptual Abstract Alter the Universe.

I did see Korvac do it.

The Writer said he could.

Captain Marvel said he did.

Originally posted by leonidas
i always had the impression that he somehow diverted attention away from himself, sort of warped things in such a way as no one would really take notice of him. starhawk stood right beside him and couldn't see him because korvac masked his power from the cosmics. starhawk finally got pissed because the avengers were talking to korvac but starhawk couldn't even SEE who they were talking to. that's when he revealed his power, and at the same time he was then no longer able to mask his power from the cosmics. so how universalwas it?

his 'universal' warping appeared rather limited, to answer my own question. so limited that when his powers were used the warping ended.

a nice feat, universal in name i suppose because the warp did seem to extend across the universe to affect the perceptions of the cosmics, but in the end, still just a decent feat.

In the end it was a Universal feat.

Korvac Altered the Universe ...

Now how he got defeated with the necessary PIS that needs to be included in order to accomplish that with Heroes is another story. (I'm not debating this)

Bottom line:

Galactus' World Ship = the power to Alter Reality on a Universal Scale.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Unless of course your failing to see my point. Being that Eternity Knows all and is all, even him being owned would be part of his essence. Try and grasp it. let it sink in. you'll get it eventually.

firefirefireph

I knew it wouldn't take long.

master owing beyotches once again!

Originally posted by Mr Master
firefirefireph

I knew it wouldn't take long.

You can say what you want about me, but THe LT has stated that before the IG saga, Eternity knew all and was all. And the None escaped his knowlege of thier destiny. This would include KORVAK. Eternity knows everything. So someone owning him would be part of the history that makes him. To tamper with it would unmake him. What if Korvaks tampering lead to some other events that lead to other events that hold his reality together. Talk trash about me all you want, but i'm going by what the LT said about eternity. Thus even Eternity getting owned would be part of his plan or his destiny and thus the person owning him, would also be part of eternity and not really in any real control.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
You can say what you want about me, but THe LT has stated that before the IG saga, Eternity knew all and was all. And the None escaped his knowlege of thier destiny. This would include KORVAK. Eternity knows everything. So someone owning him would be part of the history that makes him. To tamper with it would unmake him. What if Korvaks tampering lead to some other events that lead to other events that hold his reality together. Talk trash about me all you want, but i'm going by what the LT said about eternity. Thus even Eternity getting owned would be part of his plan or his destiny and thus the person owning him, would also be part of eternity and not really in any real control.

greennuts

Go Read Comics.

I have to ignore you now, cause you're wasting my time.

Originally posted by Mr Master
greennuts

Go Read Comics.

I have to ignore you now, cause you're wasting my time.

You have to ignore me becuz you have nothing to say to refute me or you can't grasp the concept. You insulting me shows me that you don't understand. YOu do that alot. You have always done that. Not just to me. have a good night.